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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: antihellenistic Date: May 22, 2024, 10:48 pm
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Another Description of Western Civilization
[quote]Western Civilisation textbooks always include a full
chapter on the Hellenistic era to describe a period of about
three centuries, roughly from 323 BC to 30 BC. During this time
Greek culture, after the conquests of Alexander the Great, was
spread over a remarkably large area, including Egypt and far
into the Iranian plateau. The significance of the Hellenistic
era, however, does not consist in the vast areas and diverse
peoples it covered, but in the high cultural accomplishments
this period saw in literature, art, science, medicine, and
philosophy led by ethnic Greek individuals, particularly in the
cities of Alexandria and Pergamum.[45] The new schools of
philosophy (Epicureanism and Stoicism) were actually centred in
Athens, including the characteristics of Hellenistic sculpture
and literature, were all Greek. Moreover, it should be
emphasised that this epoch produced the first true scientists in
human history, as argued by Lucio Russo in The Forgotten
Revolution: How Science Was Born in 300 BC and Why it Had to Be
Reborn.[46] What Russo argues in great detail has long been
known by Classicists. For example, Marshall Clagett, in Greek
Science in Antiquity (1955), calls the Hellenistic period ‘the
great period of Greek science’, correctly identifying the
Presocratics as philosophers rather than scientists, and
offering an overview of the original writings of Strato,
Aristarchus, Eudoxos, Erastosthenes, Hipparchus, and
Archimedes.[47] This Hellenistic accomplishment in science
should actually be extended beyond 31 BC to cover the ideas of
Euclid, Ptolemy, and Galen in the first two centuries AD in
mathematics, solid and fluid mechanics, optics, astronomy, and
anatomy.[/quote]
Source :
Faustian Man in a Multicultural Age by Ricardo Duchesne page 91
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: antihellenistic Date: June 14, 2024, 9:38 pm
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Ethno-nationalism and Debating was part of Greek Culture, the
Culture which Gave Birth to Western Civilization
[quote]Moreover, like the free-market military cultures based on
voluntarily chosen leaders, the Western urban cultures of
antiquity retained a free-market approach to other areas of
culture, in particular with regard to belief systems
(ideologies) and science. Thus in classical Greece (i.e., after
the Homeric period),
the ultimate basis of Greek civic and cultural life was the
aristocratic ethos of individualism and competitive conflict
which pervaded [Indo- European] culture. Ionian literature was
far from the world of berserkers but it was nonetheless just as
intensively competitive. New works of drama, philosophy, and
music were expounded in the firstperson form as an adversarial
or athletic contest in the pursuit of truth... . There were no
Possessors of the Way in aristocratic Greece; no Chinese Sages
decorously deferential to their superiors and expecting
appropriate deference from their inferiors. The search for the
truth was a free-for-all with each philosopher competing for
intellectual prestige in a polemical tone that sought to
discredit the theories of others while promoting one’s own.*?
This underlines the individualistic nature of scientific
endeavor. Scientific movements are highly permeable groups whose
members are prone to defection if they find a better theory or
if new data are uncovered—a free-market system of ideas. On the
other hand, The Culture of Critique contrasts the Western
individualist tradition of science with several
twentieth-century intellectual movements composed of slavish
followers centered around charismatic leaders who expounded
dogmas that were not open to empirical disconfirmation.©
Individuals convinced by their own judgments to adopt different
theories or reject fundamental dogmas (e.g.,. the Freudian
Oedipal complex) were simply expelled, typically in a torrent of
invective; dissent was not tolerated. Such movements far more
resembled authoritarian ingroups centered around a despot rather
than individualist truth-seeking.
But despite the individualism of the ancient Greeks, they also
displayed a greater tendency toward exclusionary (ethnocentric)
attitudes than the Romans®! or the Germanic groups that came to
dominate Europe after the fall of the Western Empire (see
below). In addition to a sense of belonging to the wider Greek
culture, the Greeks had a strong sense of belonging to a
particular city-state, and this belonging was rooted in a sense
of common ethnicity deeply entwined with religious attitudes.
The Greeks, unlike the Romans and despite their common language
and culture, “never overcame the exclusionary nature of their
institutions to form a lasting union.” °
The polis was thus both exclusionary (serving only citizens,
typically defined by blood) and communitarian (subscribing to a
citizen-soldier ideal under which all were expected to sacrifice
for the whole). The city-state meant for the Greeks the actual
people (they always called themselves “the Athenians,” “the
Spartans’), their ancestors, and their gods: “this explains the
patriotism of the ancients, a vigorous sentiment which was for
them the supreme virtue and that which all the others culminated
in’; “The piety of the ancients was love of country.” Guillaume
Durocher:
From fairly early on, Athenian democracy became tinged with what
Susan Lape calls a “racial ideology.”®> Whereas Herodotus had
argued that the Athenian population was the product of a mixing
between Hellenic settlers and Pelasgian natives, the Athenians
claimed to be racially pure in contrast with the other Greeks,
having supposedly sprung from the Attic soil as true
autochtones.®®
Similarly, Sparta was essentially an ethnostate, with the highly
xenophobic Spartans ruling over and enslaving a conquered
people, the Helots, from whom they remained separate, with no
intermarriage, for hundreds of years.®” Thus, Greek patriotism
based on religious beliefs and a sense of blood kinship was in
practice very much focused on the individual city, making those
interests absolutely supreme, with little consideration for
imperial subjects, allies, or fellow Greeks in general[/quote]
Source :
Individualism and the Western Liberal Tradition: Evolutionary
Origins, History, and Prospects for the Future by Kevin
MacDonald page 47 - 49
I think our debate dialogue to the enemy is how we using one of
western culture on linguistic communication, correct me if I'm
wrong
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 1, 2024, 6:16 pm
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"correct me if I'm wrong"
You are wrong. Debating was part of ancient statism all over the
world. The monarch would invite courtiers/guests with opposing
views to debate each other in order to arrive at a decision on
an issue. (Don't you watch any palace dramas?)
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 13, 2024, 3:57 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg10080#msg10080
date=1639284460]
I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society
which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use
"non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.
[/quote]
Then perhaps this is true of Turanian blood. Jews, for example,
have been historically accused of ritually murdering children
and drinking their blood.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 13, 2024, 5:49 am
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The Jews who do that are not relying on that blood as their main
source of nutrition. As you yourself say, it is more about
ritual.
A better comparison with such Jews would be big game hunters who
do not eat their victims but turn them into trophies.
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