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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 2, 2022, 4:33 am
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"Heritable ethnotribalism could come from the Turanian blood
that they have"
I see. The non inherited part may simply be a pragmatic
calculation on their part in recognizing (perhaps accurately)
that "White" blood is the best in preserving Western
Civilization.
So to my point, are all those False Leftist Gentiles who
identify as "White", even those with hypothetically no Turanian
blood memory, guilty of being racist if they reproduce, when in
this case they do not have ethnotribalist ancestry?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 2, 2022, 4:54 am
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If they reproduce involuntarily (e.g. conception via rape), then
no.
If they reproduce voluntarily, then yes, because there is no way
for them to be sure what is in their blood. Why risk it?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 2, 2022, 5:16 am
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I see. I was wondering if there were other ways to identify
"white" racists. For example, a person who says "it's ok to be
white" would be considered a racist, regardless of whether they
reproduce, right?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 2, 2022, 3:30 pm
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Yes.
And to answer your earlier question:
"Also, are we supposed to try and win over these Eurocentrist
"non-White" Gentiles and False Leftist "White" Gentiles to our
side through persuasion, in the hopes that they will
de-Westernize?"
Hopefully we can get rid of at least the non-heritable part of
Eurocentrism (ie. the part induced by colonial history). If we
can get the level of Eurocentrism back down to that which
existed prior to the beginning of the colonial era, that would
already be a significant short-term accomplishment. We can be
sure, however, it this would not be enough for long-term safety:
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: christianbethel Date: December 3, 2022, 11:13 am
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What does Aryanism have to say about people who are genuinely
anti-racist but erroneously and ignorantly identify as 'white'?
Surely they can be salvaged from Gentilism/Turanism.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 3, 2022, 11:25 am
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See above posts
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 19, 2022, 10:36 pm
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"Hopefully we can get rid of at least the non-heritable part of
Eurocentrism (ie. the part induced by colonial history). If we
can get the level of Eurocentrism back down to that which
existed prior to the beginning of the colonial era, that would
already be a significant short-term accomplishment. We can be
sure, however, it this would not be enough for long-term
safety:"
Then by the same token, couldn't we get those with Giant blood
(and hypothetically no Turanian blood) to unlearn "White"
ethnotribalism, since we have established that Gentile blood is
not heritably racist, and also because we know that "Whiteness"
is an identity induced by Western colonialism?
Most of the "raceless" racists these seem to be humanists who
became racist only because of their love of Western
civilization.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 19, 2022, 11:36 pm
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"Then by the same token, couldn't we get those with Giant blood
(and hypothetically no Turanian blood) to unlearn "White"
ethnotribalism"
In theory it should be possible. But though they may not be
ethnotribalists as such, their Gentile blood memory will still
cause them to view those without Giant blood as inferior to
themselves. Therefore they might sincerely join anti-racist
groups, but then immediately feel that they (rather than
"non-whites") should be the ones leading them:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior
[quote]In film, the white savior is a cinematic trope in which a
white character rescues people of color from their plight. The
white savior is portrayed as messianic and often learns
something about themselves in the process of rescuing.[20] The
trope reflects how media represents race relations by
racializing concepts like morality as identifiable with white
people over nonwhite people.[21] White saviors are often male
and are sometimes out of place in their own society until they
lead minorities or foreigners. Screen Saviors: Hollywood
Fictions of Whiteness labels the stories as fantasies that "are
essentially grandiose, exhibitionistic, and
narcissistic".[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lejcAiqLvI
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: April 22, 2023, 8:31 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg12226#msg12226
date=1648019337]
"So what is the reason behind Eurocentrism among Gentiles then,
if not anthropocentrism?"
My guess is preference for high sexual dimorphism.
"On a different note, I consider humanism/progressive Yahwism
much more frightening and dangerous to destroy than Turanism,
the latter being less technologically advanced. What do you
think?"
Why do you seem to imply that progressive Yahwism is distinct
from Turanism? Have you forgotten that Judaism exists?! (Judaism
is humanist too, by the way, and plenty of its followers are
excellent machinists also.)
[/quote]
Another psychological motivation behind Giant supremacism might
be paternalism. Giants view "non-Whites" as "immature",
"underdeveloped", and hence inferior.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: antihellenistic Date: April 11, 2024, 2:04 am
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[quote]These are the first words we hear from Armesto about the
West in the section “Early Greek Society”:
We have idealized the Greeks as originators of our civilization
and embodiments of all our values. However, scholars have been
revising almost everything that has traditionally been said
about them […] Until recently, people in the West hailed the
Greeks as originators of democracy… [but] Greeks counted only
privileged males as citizens…women were excluded. So were
slaves, who made up 40 percent of the population…. When we look
at [Greek states] now we see fragments of an oppressive system
that made slaves of captives, victims of women, battle fodder of
men, and scapegoats of failures (132).
...
Now, it is true that admirers of the self-sacrifice and
intelligence of the Greeks focused primarily on the achievements
of high culture. But already in the third quarter of the 19th
century we find the historian Jacob Burckhardt challenging this
vision in The Greeks and Greek Civilization: it purposely brings
out the dark side, the agonal, aggressive nature of Greek
individuals. The young Nietzsche, too, in his first book
released in 1872, The Birth of Tragedy, insisted on the
irrational and mythical forces of Greek Homeric culture. But
Nietzsche sought to comprehend how these dark primeval elements,
as I shall be explaining in chapter eight, were inextricably
related to what was noble and “civilized” in Greece. The
“interconnectedness” multicultural historians are calling for is
an ecological idea without connection to the historical context
of ancient Greece.
...
On the events leading to the Persian-Greek Wars, Armesto writes
mostly of Greek disunity and of Persian unity and respect and
generosity. On the actual wars themselves he offers only one
sentence: “Persia, after testing the difficulties of conquering
Greece in unsuccessful invasions in 490 and 480 BCE, was
generally content to keep these enemies divided, while
prioritizing Persian rule over rich, soft Egypt” (201–2). What
did Armesto leave out? The context of the Persian-Greek wars:
firstly, that the Greek cities in Asia Minor had fallen under
the control of Persia in 546 BC; that there was an organized
Greek rebellion that spread throughout the Greek cities of Asia
Minor, which was eventually defeated by the Persians, who went
on to wipe out Miletus, killing and enslaving everyone.
Secondly, that the Persians then sent an expedition to punish
Athens for offering some help to the rebellion, and to control
the Aegean Sea. Thirdly, he ignored the fact that this
expedition led to the battle of Marathon, which resulted in a
defeat for the Persians and demonstrated the superiority of
hoplite warfare over chariot warfare. Fourthly, that in 481 BC
the Persian king Xerxes put together an army of one hundred
fifty thousand men and a navy of six hundred ships set to
conquer weak, divided, and tiny Greece, and that the Battle of
Salamis in 481 BC alone was the most significant naval battle of
the history of the ancient world. And fifth, that while Greece
was not fully united, and was heavily outnumbered by mighty
Persia, the Greeks successfully defeated the Persians, setting
the stage for one of the greatest intellectual periods in human
history, which might not have occurred had the Persians been
successful (Strauss 2004).[/quote]
Source :
The Uniqueness of Western Civilization by Ricardo Duchesne page
63 - 64
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