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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: March 23, 2022, 12:14 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=912.msg10080#msg10080
date=1639284460]
I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society
which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use
"non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.
[/quote]
So what is the reason behind Eurocentrism among Gentiles then,
if not anthropocentrism? Aggressiveness towards those perceived
as "weaker" (i.e. non hunters)? In other words, stereotyping of
"non-Whites" as non-hunters, and thus inferior?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 23, 2022, 2:08 am
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"So what is the reason behind Eurocentrism among Gentiles then,
if not anthropocentrism?"
My guess is preference for high sexual dimorphism.
"On a different note, I consider humanism/progressive Yahwism
much more frightening and dangerous to destroy than Turanism,
the latter being less technologically advanced. What do you
think?"
Why do you seem to imply that progressive Yahwism is distinct
from Turanism? Have you forgotten that Judaism exists?! (Judaism
is humanist too, by the way, and plenty of its followers are
excellent machinists also.)
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: March 23, 2022, 8:28 am
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Ok. I agree. One could also point to perhaps the deadliest
humanist/progressive Yahwist ideology of our time, communism
(which proliferated mainly in Turandom), to substantiate your
point. Additionally, the Soviet Union also produced the biggest
technological innovations of our time (for which it is praised
by False Leftists).
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: March 29, 2022, 1:27 am
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Now that I think of it, could this mean that it is possible for
those "non-Whites" with Turanian blood to be progressive
humanists/Yahwists? What do you think? For example,
non-Eurocentric Westerners (particularly in non-Western
countries) who promote a Judeophillic/progressivist/secularist
ideology.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 29, 2022, 2:24 am
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I don't think they even need to have Turanian blood in order to
be progressives. Movements the draw heavily on memory of the
past (and hence ultimately blood memory) are those which are
likely to sort adherents racially. Progressivism can appeal to
anyone at all precisely because it de-emphasizes the past.
Secularism is a different idea. Secularists merely want faith
kept out of political argumentation. Progressivism is actually
anti-secular, as progressives have no problem with arguing their
political views by referring to their own faith (that the future
will be better than the past) as a starting point. The problem
is that not enough secularists currently recognize that
progressivism is a form of faith, instead presuming that it is
the truth (ie. they themselves are implicit progressives), thus
fail to notice that progressives are not secularists.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: March 29, 2022, 2:48 am
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"I don't think they even need to have Turanian blood in order to
be progressives."
I meant to ask, do you think their Turanian blood would draw
them toward progressivism? But I think you answered my question,
as you pointed out that progressivism does not necessarily sort
its adherents racially. I now recall we had this discussion
before, wherein you pointed out that it is also possible for
Aryanists to be progressives, since they would not disagree with
our aims, but would merely believe that the best way to achieve
our aims would be through progressivism
"The problem is that not enough secularists currently recognize
that progressivism is a form of faith, instead presuming that it
is the truth (ie. they themselves are implicit progressives),
thus fail to notice that progressives are not secularists."
I agree. For example non-Western secular nationalist movements
in the Arab countries, as well as fascist independence movements
which sought to deemphasize religion as means toward unity, such
as the Indian National Army headed by SC Bose.
Among the secularists, however, I was referring to those in
non-Western countries who explicitly evaluate the "superiority"
of non-Western cultures using Western standards (while
selectively bashing other non-Western cultures (e.g. Islam) for
not meeting these standards), but I think these would be
classified as progressives rather than secularists as they do
invoke their faith from time to time. What really made me think
it was Turanian blood that was driving their ideology was that
they seemed to be non-Eurocentric, but nevertheless
Zionist/Western, unlike Gentiles who display Eurocentrism time
after time. Recall that we previously also distinguished between
Eurocentrism and Westernization, establishing that it was
possible to be Westernized but not Eurocentric.
For example, one who does not necessarily think "Whites" are
better, and who does not even classify himself according to
Eurocentric ethnic categories, but who nevertheless worships the
creations of Western civilization and merely wishes his
ancestral culture invented those things, even trying to take
credit for inventing those things.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: March 31, 2022, 4:29 am
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Now that I think of it, the non-racist Eurocentrists in
"Jew-aware" circles also probably have Gentile blood memory, if
your theory is correct. To make matters more complicated is that
some of these Eurocentrists also follow a vegan diet*, so it is
hard to accuse them of being humanists. But then again, so do
some Jews/False Leftists.
Add to the fact that many of those in the non-racist Eurocentric
"jew-aware" crowd who have had "non-White" sexual partners in
the past are both male and female, whereas those in the racist
crowd who have had "non-White" sexual partners are mostly male,
in accordance with our theory that it is only Turanian males who
mate with non-Turanians.
*Strictly speaking, can a Eurocentrist Gentile really be an
ethical vegan, given that they are not universalist? Some of
them adamantly claim that they are, all the while proudly
exuding Paleolithic Ice Age blood memory.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: April 6, 2022, 6:06 pm
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Also, are we supposed to try and win over these Eurocentrist
"non-White" Gentiles and False Leftist "White" Gentiles to our
side through persuasion, in the hopes that they will
de-Westernize? After all, their Eurocentrism/humanism is
genetic, so I don't see any point in converting them to a
non-Eurocentric, anti-humanist ideology.
In other words, I am saying that their Gentile blood memory
inevitably draws them towards Western ideology, and unless they
can extricate themselves of it, they cannot de-Westernize.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: rp Date: December 2, 2022, 3:16 am
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So if Gentile blood is not heritably ethnotribalist, then
wouldn't it follow that those irredeemable False Leftists and
non racist rightists who identify as "White" are also not
ethnotribalists?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 2, 2022, 3:45 am
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Heritable ethnotribalism could come from the Turanian blood that
they have.
But as I said elsewhere, due to messy leftist messaging, there
exist some sincere anti-racists who mistakenly think they have a
social duty to identify as "white" in order to "acknowledge
their privilege". Those who identify as "white" for this reason
are not to be prematurely assumed to be "white" on account of
their self-identification alone.
The most reliable way to tell whether or not apparent
anti-racists who say they are "white" are actually "white", as
always, is whether or not they voluntarily refrain from
reproducing.
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