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Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: guest55
Date: August 21, 2021, 5:26 pm
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Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
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> Source/Further reading:
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> The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World: from Marathon to
Waterloo by Sir Edward Creasy
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> Herodotus’ Historial
>
> The Defence of Greece 490–479 BC by JF Lazenby
>
> Persian Fire: the First World Empire and the Battle for the
West by Tom Holland
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXAvMQEWiuQ
Greeks practiced "direct democracy" as compared to
"representative democracy" practiced in the West to this day.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 14, 2021, 11:43 am
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I assume this is why Hitler invaded Greece?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: guest55
Date: September 14, 2021, 6:20 pm
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> I assume this is why Hitler invaded Greece?
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More so because of these types of attitudes among the Greeks I
would say:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/hungary-v4/?message=8213
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 10, 2021, 10:13 pm
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Our enemies discussing this period:
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/12/07/guillaume-durochers-the-ancient-ethnostate-biopolitical-thought-in-ancient-greece/
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> Ancient Greece was an Indo-European culture, and thus prized
military virtues, heroism, and the quest for honor, fame, and
glory. Homer “tells of a terrible war for sexual competition,
for the heart of beautiful Helen, and its inevitable tragedies.
But the maudlin self-pity and effeminacy of our time are unknown
to Homer: if tragedy is inevitable in the human experience, the
poet’s role is to give meaning and beauty to the ordeal, and to
inspire men to struggle for a glorious destiny.” “Their way of
life is one of ‘vital barbarism,’ having the values of ruthless
conquerors, prizing loot, honor, and glory above all.” Achilles
“prefers a brief but glorious life to one of lengthy obscurity.”
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/
Continuing:
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> As Ricardo Duchesne notes, the Indo-European legacy is key to
understanding the restless, aggressive, questing, innovative,
“Faustian” soul of Europe. Indo-Europeans were a “uniquely
aristocratic people dominated by emerging chieftains for whom
fighting to gain prestige was the all-pervading ethos. This
culture [is] interpreted as ‘the Western state of nature’ and as
the primordial source of Western restlessness.”[3]
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/
Note in particular that our enemies are, as I have previously
warned, increasingly eschewing Gentilism in favour of Turanism:
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> the values of an egalitarian individualist ethic that
originated among the northwestern European hunter-gatherers—an
ethic that is in many ways the diametrical opposite of the
Indo-European aristocratic tradition.[4] This new ethic began
its rise to predominance with the English Civil War of the
seventeenth century and remains most prominent in northwest
Europe, particularly Scandinavian cultures.
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They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism (geographically
associated with the relatively less Turanized regions) leads to
False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which alone satisfies
rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat persuasive. I
might have been mistaken all along in assuming that Gentile
blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is certainly heritably
humanist (and hence fundamentally still tribalist) in order to
allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey, but it could be that it
is not particularly inclined to ethnotribalism among humans
(though of course individual Gentiles could still adopt this
attitude later), and hence the heritable ethnotribalism that
occurs in reality is ultimately accountable to Turanian blood.
If so, then the hostility of Gentiles towards Aryans as
documented here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/
might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to
hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the
outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of
ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier
to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301
Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment"
values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product
of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists:
they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of
those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship.
What do you guys think?
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> There is thus a major contrast between the Greeks and a
slave-type society such as the Persian Empire—a contrast the
Greeks were well aware of. Aristotle wrote “these barbarian
peoples are more servile in character than Greeks (as the
peoples of Asia are more servile than those of Europe); and they
therefore tolerate despotic rule without any complaint”
(Politics, 1285a16).
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For example, we do not complain about mask/social
distancing/lockdown mandates. It is not that we "tolerate"
despotic rule; it is that we trust it. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/trump-a-fascist/msg9864/#msg9864
This is not "servility". Servility is endorsing Israel as a
Jewish ethnostate in order to get your own ethnostate.
Continuing:
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> Sparta was even more egalitarian among the Spartiates, giving
the citizens a stake in the system, but with an ethic that
rejected effeminacy and weakness and in which individuals
strived to achieve excellence in military skills. Also likely
promoting social cohesion was that the Helot slave class was an
outgroup that Spartans understood needed to be rigorously
controlled, setting up a very robust ingroup-outgroup psychology
that promoted social cohesion and high positive regard for the
ingroup along with disparagement and even abuse of the outgroup.
Spartan social cohesion is legendary and likely contributed to
the intense solidarity needed to defeat the far more numerous
Persian Empire:
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/
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> In their victory, the Greeks were able to pass down an
enormous political, cultural, and scientific heritage to
generations ever since. No wonder John Stuart Mill could claim:
“The Battle of Marathon, even as an event in British history, is
more important than the Battle of Hastings.”
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Yes. If the Persians had won back then, perhaps we could have
been spared all of this:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
Continuing:
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> Indeed, we are seeing increasing hatred toward the people and
culture of the West that is now well entrenched among Western
elites and eagerly accepted by many of the non-Western peoples
who have been imported into Western nations, many with
historical grudges against the West.
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Gee, I wonder why? (Hint: re-read the parts in bold.)
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: rp
Date: December 11, 2021, 11:01 am
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So if Gentiles are motivated by humanism and not
ethnitotribalism, then is not Eurocentrism itself simply viewing
"non-whites" as inferior because they are "non-human", and not
because they belong to another tribe?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 11, 2021, 10:47 pm
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I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society
which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use
"non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: guest55
Date: December 13, 2021, 12:26 am
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> I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society
which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use
"non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.
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Perhaps similar to how Jews are "white" or non-"white" depending
on the situation? Gentiles perhaps are willing to treat
non-humans as humans on occasion when it suits gentiles to do
so?
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: December 18, 2021, 6:13 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism
(geographically associated with the relatively less Turanized
regions) leads to False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which
alone satisfies rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat
persuasive. I might have been mistaken all along in assuming
that Gentile blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is
certainly heritably humanist (and hence fundamentally still
tribalist) in order to allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey,
but it could be that it is not particularly inclined to
ethnotribalism among humans (though of course individual
Gentiles could still adopt this attitude later), and hence the
heritable ethnotribalism that occurs in reality is ultimately
accountable to Turanian blood. If so, then the hostility of
Gentiles towards Aryans as documented here:
>
>
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/
>
> might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to
hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the
outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of
ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier
to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles:
>
>
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301
>
> Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment"
values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product
of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists:
they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of
those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship.
>
> What do you guys think?
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I agree with you. It is potentially advantageous for Gentiles to
cooperate across tribal lines in order to hunt larger prey.
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> Gentiles perhaps are willing to treat non-humans as humans on
occasion when it suits gentiles to do so?
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I actually think this is a Turanian trait. Shepherds for example
often depend on their dogs to tend to their flock, so it is
advantageous for them to treat their dogs better than other
non-humans.
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: Polinc_Socjus
Date: December 21, 2021, 12:03 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> I see what you are saying, but a consistent humanist society
which sincerely viewed "non-whites" as "non-human" would use
"non-whites" as food. This has not been the case in reality.
>
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Not for long:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5EKuIus-oE
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Re: Marathon: The Battle that Gave Birth to Western Civilization
DIR By: rp
Date: March 22, 2022, 6:23 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> Our enemies discussing this period:
>
>
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2021/12/07/guillaume-durochers-the-ancient-ethnostate-biopolitical-thought-in-ancient-greece/
>
> They are going as far as to claim that Gentilism
(geographically associated with the relatively less Turanized
regions) leads to False Leftism, whereas it is Turanism which
alone satisfies rightist needs. I actually find this somewhat
persuasive. I might have been mistaken all along in assuming
that Gentile blood is heritably racist. Gentile blood is
certainly heritably humanist (and hence fundamentally still
tribalist) in order to allow Gentiles to hunt non-human prey,
but it could be that it is not particularly inclined to
ethnotribalism among humans (though of course individual
Gentiles could still adopt this attitude later), and hence the
heritable ethnotribalism that occurs in reality is ultimately
accountable to Turanian blood. If so, then the hostility of
Gentiles towards Aryans as documented here:
>
>
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/gentilism/
>
> might have been ideological (e.g. Aryans were opposed to
hunting?) rather than Aryans being viewed by Gentiles as the
outgroup just because of different ancestry. Absence of
ethnotribalism in Gentile blood would also make it even easier
to explain Eurocentrism among "non-white" Gentiles:
>
>
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg6301/#msg6301
>
> Indeed, this would even neatly account for why "Enlightenment"
values (if indeed, as our enemies theorize, they are a product
of Gentile blood) are popular among "non-white" Eurocentrists:
they are Gentiles following the heritable ideology (humanism) of
those other Gentiles (Giants) whom they already worship.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
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I just realized I forgot to reply to this post. I must say I
wholeheartedly agree with your assessment. In conjunction with
my observations of Gentile phenotypes correlating with
Eurocentrism among "non-Whites", this makes all the more sense.
This could mean that we have perhaps conclusively identified the
genetic component behind False Leftism.
To support your theory, here is one of the most prominent False
Leftists of our time:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Elon_Musk_Royal_Society_%28crop2%29.jpg
I can't figure out which I hate more, Turanians or Gentiles.
Perhaps due to my Aryan blood memory I have a more charitable
view of Turanians as being the "lesser evil", given our
alliances against Gentiles in the past.
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/against-all-odds/comment-page-2/#comment-169986
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> I agree that Turanians are not respectable people, but it is a
recurring mythical theme that early Aryan and Turanian leaders
have been occasional (albeit uneasy) allies against Gentile
leaders, therefore Aryan blood memory recalls Turanians
differently than it recalls Gentiles.
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Or perhaps it is my absolute disgust of humanism/the Gentile
skull shape (see above. Also note the ****-eating grin that is
characteristic of humanists who do not care for their victims)
that drives this.
On a different note, I consider humanism/progressive Yahwism
much more frightening and dangerous to destroy than Turanism,
the latter being less technologically advanced. What do you
think?
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