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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: rp
Date: May 22, 2021, 4:56 am
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Thiruvalluvar day: Chennai Corporation announces ban on meat
sale on Jan 15
HTML https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/thiruvalluvar-day-chennai-corporation-announces-ban-on-meat-sale-on-jan-15/articleshow/56480641.cms
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> CHENNAI: The Greater Chennai Corporation has announced a ban
on sale of meat, including processed meat, on January 15, on
account of Thiruvalluvar day.
>
> In a statement on Wednesday, the local body said
slaughterhouses operated by the corporation's health department
at Pulianthope, Villivakam and Saidapet would not function on
Sunday.
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> The corporation added that the ban on meat sale would extend
to supermarkets and commercial complexes retailing processed
meat.
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Background on Thiruvalluvar:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiruvalluvar#Religion
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> Valluvar is generally thought to have belonged to either
Jainism or Hinduism.[54][55][56] Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism
were the three religions that flourished in the Indian
subcontinent during the time of Valluvar.[57] Early 19th-century
writers proposed that Valluvar may have been a Jain. The 1819
translation by Francis Whyte Ellis mentions that the Tamil
community debates whether Valluvar was a Jain or Hindu.[58] If
Valluvar was indeed a Jain, it raises questions about the source
of the traditional Valluvar legends and the mainstream colonial
debate about his birth.[58]
>
> Kamil Zvelebil believes that the ethics of the
Tirukkuṟaḷ reflects the Jain moral code,
particularly moral vegetarianism (couplets 251–260), and ahimsa,
that is, "abstention from killing" (couplets 321–333). Zvelebil
states that the text contains epithets for God that reflect Jain
ideology:[59]
>
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jain_vegetarianism#Historical_background
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> According to the famous Tamil classic, Tirukkuṛaḷ,
which is also considered a Jain work by some scholars:
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> If the world did not purchase and consume meat, no one would
slaughter and offer meat for sale. (Kural 256)[68]
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(The line in bold is a good rebuttal to the "Buddhist"
mentioned in the previous post)
But unfortunately, the very next year:
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Chennai Corporation seizes 431 meat on Thiruvalluvar Day
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> CHENNAI: The Greater Chennai Corporation on Monday seized meat
from vendors who had illegally sold the item despite a
prohibitory order issued by the civic body. The city corporation
prohibited sale and processing of meat on Monday, January 15, on
account of Thiruvalluvar Day.
>
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Sigh....
As they say, you can lead a non-Aryan to the water...:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/uneducable-gentiles/msg6550/#msg6550<br
/>
(Also the meat sellers don't have an excuse of "not letting the
food go to waste" as they were already made aware of the
restriction the previous year. Therefore the onus is on them to
adjust their supply accordingly. What do you think?)
Speaking of which, I have seen many secular-humanist types in
the Dravidian-speaking states who purport to be anti-casteist
(rightfully) herald Thiruvalluvar as an anti-Vedic poet and as
an icon for Dravidian peoples. But when it comes to actually
following his teachings, particularly in regards to meat-eating,
these people go silent, instead advocating eating beef to
"oppose" Brahmanism. If they really were intent on fighting
Brahmanism for its double standard on beef-eating, why not
embrace the anti-Brahmanic vegetarianism of the Jain
Thiruvalluvar? Goes to show that these non-Aryans are probably
not even intent on fighting Brahmanism in the first place.
These are the same degenerates who probably would have sided
with the Vedics back in the day! All they would have had to do
was give up beef-eating (while still eating other meats), and
they could ascend in the Vedic hierarchy. It would have fit
perfectly with their prior lifestyle, and indeed would have been
an improvement to them insofar as they would have found the
Aryan Suryavanshi worldview too restrictive.
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 21, 2021, 10:31 pm
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Anthropocentrism also corrupts Gnosticism:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/tiny-minority-iraqis-follows-ancient-121827458.html
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> the Mandaeans. Also called Sabians, they are followers of the
last Gnostic religion to survive continuously from ancient times
down to the present day.
>
> Gnostic religions view the material world as the product of a
mistake in the heavenly realm, the creation of one or more
inferior divine beings rather than the supreme God. Gnosticism
also emphasizes that human beings can become aware of this and
prepare their souls to escape from under the influence of the
malevolent spiritual forces that created and rule this realm, so
that when they die they can ascend to the good realm that lies
beyond them.
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If you truly believe the material world is evil, how can you
exclude non-humans from escaping? If you believe the Demiurge
created the material world in order to allow humans to enjoy
oppressing non-humans, either you accept the Demiurge's plan and
hence do not seek to escape at all, or reject the Demiurge's
plan and hence understand that non-humans also need to escape.
These are the only two intellectually consistent positions
(though only the latter is ethical). But to want to escape yet
then think that escaping is for humans only doesn't even make
sense.
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest55
Date: July 25, 2021, 11:12 am
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The Human Neocortex Isn’t as Special as We Thought
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxPQ9bFfEP0
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> 9Tensai9
> 2 days ago (edited)
> Humans: Ah yes, our neocortex. THIS, this is what makes humans
so great and unique!!
> *Humans discover that the neocortex isn't special at all*
> Ah yes, the crebellum. So filled with neurons. THIS, this is
what makes us humans so great and unique!!
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Plants Feel Pain and Might Even See
DIR By: guest55
Date: July 29, 2021, 10:44 pm
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Plants Feel Pain and Might Even See
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> It’s time to retire the hierarchical classification of living
things.
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HTML http://static.nautil.us/18603_47a0a618c0365cf757ff3021ee5ef976.png
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> In 2018, a German newspaper asked me if I would be interested
in having a conversation with the philosopher Emanuele Coccia,
who had just written a book about plants, Die Wurzeln der Welt
(published in English as The Life of Plants). I was happy to say
yes.
>
> The German title of Coccia’s book translates as “The Roots of
the World,” and the book really does cover this. It upends our
view of the living world, putting plants at the top of the
hierarchy with humans down at the bottom. I had been giving a
great deal of thought to this myself. Ranking the natural world
and scoring species according to their importance or their
superiority seemed to me outdated. It distorts our view of
nature and makes all the other species around us seem more
primitive and somehow unfinished. For some time now, I have not
been comfortable with viewing humans as the crown of creation,
separating animals into higher and lower life-forms, and
treating plants as something on the side, definitively banished
to a lower level.
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Entire article:
HTML https://nautil.us/issue/104/harmony/plants-feel-pain-and-might-even-see?utm_source=pocket-newtab
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
If human-beings have proven anything since hunter-gatherers
perverted the Neolithic Revolution it is the fact that they
belong at the bottom!
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest55
Date: August 12, 2021, 8:33 pm
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Animals Count and Use Zero. How Far Does Their Number Sense Go?
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> Crows recently demonstrated an understanding of the concept of
zero. It’s only the latest evidence of animals’ talents for
numerical abstraction — which may still differ from our own
grasp of numbers.
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> The intelligence of corvids like ravens and crows is well
known. Recently, crows were even shown to have a numerical
ability seen in few other species so far: a grasp of the concept
of the empty set — the numerosity zero.
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HTML https://www.quantamagazine.org/animals-can-count-and-use-zero-how-far-does-their-number-sense-go-20210809/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
So, Crows do sit in trees watching humans saying among
themselves: "Yip, see that one over there? Just another
zero....". ;)
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest55
Date: August 26, 2021, 2:17 pm
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Another Westerner obsessed with intelligence and "big brains".
Go figure....
Smartest Fish on Earth, Mormyridae, Seem To Talk Just Like Us
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI6hGYFiIk4
"Oh look, that fish is somewhat like us, it must be a little
special then?".
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest55
Date: August 31, 2021, 9:36 pm
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What Slime Knows
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> There is no hierarchy in the web of life
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest55
Date: September 18, 2021, 12:58 pm
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What animals think of death
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> Having a concept of death, far from being a uniquely human
feat, is a fairly common trait in the animal kingdom
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HTML https://aeon.co/essays/animals-wrestle-with-the-concept-of-death-and-mortality?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 22, 2022, 8:51 pm
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Rittenhouse reasoning strikes again:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/hunters-shoot-kill-grizzly-bear-173138614.html
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> Hunters shoot, kill grizzly bear. Idaho Fish and Game says it
was in self-defense
> ...
> Hunters in North Idaho shot and killed a grizzly bear earlier
this month in self-defense, according to an Idaho Department of
Fish and Game news release.
>
> Fish and Game said the hunters were pursuing black bears in
the Ruby Creek area southwest of Bonners Ferry on June 8. The
hunters shot a black bear and were retrieving it when a grizzly
came out of the brush nearby.
>
> The hunters reportedly backed away from the bear and yelled at
it, but it continued approaching them. One of the hunters then
shot the bear at close range, killing it. Afterward, one of the
hunters called Boundary County emergency dispatch to report the
incident. An ensuing Fish and Game investigation found the
hunters acted in self-defense.
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Re: Antropocentricism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
DIR By: guest78
Date: July 13, 2022, 12:53 pm
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Consider the octopus
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> Octopuses are smart in ways humans are only beginning to
understand – just as companies are about to farm ranching them
for food on a much larger scale
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Entire article:
HTML https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-octopus-eating-meat-ethics/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
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> The octopus has already challenged our theories on evolution,
intelligence and consciousness. It has proven itself smarter,
more playful, more feeling than we ever imagined. You can devote
decades to studying how and where the octopus lives and, as Dr.
Mather will attest, still be surprised by what you learn.
>
> Here is a creature, marvellously cunning and elegant, living
in a space so vast and deep, so foreign to human experience,
that we still mostly peer into the dark and wonder. Surely, such
a creature is worthy of careful consideration?
>
> “Yes, yes!” Dr. Mather says. “A thousand times, yes.”
>
> And yet, no. We have plowed ahead, trying to tame the wildness
of the octopus for our own ends. In many countries, including
the United States (though not Canada, thanks to a small,
prescient committee, including Dr. Mather, who advocated early
for its welfare), the octopus can be used in experiments without
standards and procedures to ensure its care. A Spanish company
is pushing forward with plans to open the first commercial
octopus farm in the Canary Islands; research continues apace in
places such as Japan and Mexico to raise and domesticate the
animal for profit.
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> Never mind that a loud and angry chorus of scientists,
environmentalists and philosophers say that octopus farming
ranching can’t ethically – or humanely – be done. Last November,
a London School of Economics study, funded by the British
government, concluded that “high-welfare octopus farming is
impossible.” A campaign to stop octopus farming continues in the
European Union. Animal-welfare advocates in countries such as
Britain and Canada are calling for a pre-emptive ban on the
import of farmed octopus, to close the market doors before they
open.
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> This was another example of us failing, yet again, to adopt
the precautionary principle, to put the interests of an animal
above our own, to avoid causing harm to a life we don’t fully
understand.
>
> The existence of the octopus makes you think differently, not
just about eating and farming ranching animals, but our
relationship to them, our assumptions about them, and what this
all says about us, the humans, languishing so pridefully on our
animal kingdom throne.
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> Much like Abbott and Costello, what we learn from the octopus,
our resident earthly alien, is really a warning to change our
ways.
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> Humans have a long-standing bias for “cuddlies,” to use Dr.
Mather’s nomenclature. We see furry mammals as smarter and cuter
than slimy sea creatures, feel more morally responsible for
their care, and apply more rules to their welfare. This doesn’t
stop us from eating the cuddlies, of course. Or ignoring the
fact that the pork chops and chicken drumsticks we buy in the
grocery store begin with animals raised in often terrible
conditions – a self-serving myopia that psychologists call the
“meat paradox.”
>
> But pretending that juicy steak wasn’t once a doe-eyed cow is,
for many of us, a tolerable mind game. You’d probably be
horrified, however, to boil a rabbit alive on the kitchen stove,
the way we do lobsters. Or turn a pig inside out to kill it,
which is how fished octopuses are sometimes dispatched.
>
> That’s because, despite growing evidence to the contrary, it’s
been convenient to assume that aquatic invertebrates aren’t
sentient – that they don’t feel. An animal that doesn’t feel
can’t experience pain. It doesn’t care if you hang it in the air
and let it suffocate – another way that octopuses are sometimes
killed. To paraphrase Kristin Andrews, a philosophy professor at
York University and York Research Chair in Animal Minds,
feelings in animals make the moral world more complicated.
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