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Freedom of Speech
By: guest55 Date: August 20, 2021, 9:55 pm
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Decided to finally create a thread about this topic because I
keep seeing Westerners talk about it online, and especially in
regards to Cancel Culture. It's getting really annoying as it
seems most Westerners do not even understand the simplicest of
concepts when it comes to "freedom of speech". This is the logic
I use to try and figure out if in fact someone's speech has been
banned or curtailed:
I picture a person standing on a box with a blow horn in his
hand speaking to a crowd similar to this picture:
[img width=1280
height=941]
HTML https://c8.alamy.com/comp/ANP0N4/profile-of-a-businessman-standing-on-a-soapbox-with-a-megaphone-ANP0N4.jpg[/img]
1. If I take the person's soap box away, have I curtailed their
speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they
wish and to whomever will listen.
2. If I take the person's megaphone away, have I curtailed their
speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they
wish and to whomever will listen, they will just have to use
more energy to do so.
3. If I take the person's crowd away (cancel culture), have I
banned their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say
whatever they wish, it's just that no one is listening anymore.
4. If I hold the person down and staple their lip's shut, have I
banned their speech? No, I have only limited it. If the person
still has both hands they can write, type, and perform sign
language.
5. If I throw a person in prison for something they said and
banned them from speaking or writing to anyone, have I banned
their speech? Yes!
6. If I kill someone for something they said, have I banned
their speech? Yes, I have!
I think a lot of human-beings these days confuse 'freedom of
speech' with the 'I deserve to be heard' belief. I suspect if
you asked most of these people why they feel like they deserve
to be heard most of them would say something along the lines of,
"because I'm a human-being and all people deserve to be heard!".
That's about the gist of it all I think in regards to this
topic, no?
I believe that most people's feeling of entitlement regarding
speech these days stems from social media and the egalitarianism
that it promotes.
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 20, 2021, 10:27 pm
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"1. If I take the person's soap box away, have I curtailed their
speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they
wish and to whomever will listen.
2. If I take the person's megaphone away, have I curtailed their
speech? No, I have not. The person can still say whatever they
wish and to whomever will listen.
3. If I take the person's crowd away (cancel culture), have I
banned their speech? No, I have not. The person can still say
whatever they wish, it's just that no one is listening anymore."
This formulation is confusing. Whose property is the
soapbox/megaphone? In the case of social media platforms, it
belongs to the business which lends it out, hence they can stop
lending it to whomever they want whenever they want. But your
wording above makes it sound like the speaker owns the
soapbox/megaphone.
I understand Cancel Culture to mean taking away the
soapbox/megaphone (owned by the business). I'm not sure what you
mean by taking away the crowd separate from taking away the
soapbox/megaphone. How? By kidnapping them? This just adds more
confusion.
"4. If I hold the person down and staple their lip's shut, have
I banned their speech? No, I have only limited it. If the person
still has both hands they can write, type, and perform sign
language."
This is also a confusing example.
"5. If I throw a person in prison for something they said and
banned them from speaking or writing to anyone, have I banned
their speech? Yes!
6. If I kill someone for something they said, have I banned
their speech? Yes, I have!"
There is a difference between imprisoning or executing them in
the middle of their speech so as to prevent them from finishing
their speech, and imprisoning/executing them after they have
finished their speech as consequences for its content. The
former was despised in the ancient world, as it suggests fear of
what might be said. The latter is part of statism in the ancient
world. The monarch has a duty to hear anyone who wishes to
speak; the speaker has a duty to show willingness to die for
their cause. In some cases, even when the monarch does not
request death but merely is unpersuaded by the speech, the
speaker would commit suicide anyway in order to show conviction
to their issue they just spoke about. This system thus
automatically filters out trolls and other non-serious speakers,
a feature that is utterly lacking today, hence leading to:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGYQtuQsd4Q
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: guest55 Date: August 20, 2021, 10:36 pm
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[quote]This formulation is confusing. Whose property is the
soapbox/megaphone? In the case of social media platforms, it
belongs to the business which lends it out, hence they can stop
lending it to whomever they want whenever they want. But your
wording above makes it sound like the speaker owns the
soapbox/megaphone.[/quote]
I must have updated my post just as you posted. Yes, I'm
referring primarily to social media. I'll make the rest a little
clearer as well.
[quote]I understand Cancel Culture to mean taking away the
soapbox/megaphone (owned by the business). I'm not sure what you
mean by taking away the crowd separate from taking away the
soapbox/megaphone. How? By kidnapping them? This just adds more
confusion.[/quote]
In way of a successful boycott campaign on social media
primarily, but would also work in real life.
[quote]There is a difference between imprisoning or executing
them in the middle of their speech so as to prevent them from
finishing their speech, and imprisoning/executing them after
they have finished their speech as consequences for its content.
The former was despised in the ancient world, as it suggests
fear of what might be said. The latter is part of statism in the
ancient world. The monarch has a duty to hear anyone who wishes
to speak; the speaker has a duty to show willingness to die for
their cause. In some cases, even when the monarch does not
request death but merely is unpersuaded by the speech, the
speaker would commit suicide anyway in order to show conviction
to their issue they just spoke about. This system thus
automatically filters out trolls and other non-serious speakers,
a feature that is utterly lacking today, hence leading
to:[/quote]
Excellent point! Had not even considered that and I should have
such a long time ago. This also proves that not all people are
equal, or could ever be! Great argument against the
egalitarianism of social media as well.
On second thought I won't update my first post since your
response is so on point.
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 20, 2022, 5:37 pm
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 1, 2022, 6:41 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz-JlXwsZOs
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 9, 2023, 4:44 pm
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This is what actual free speech suppression looks like:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArS8O-O32Q
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 10, 2023, 4:48 pm
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Our enemies celebrate that it's OK for soccer players to be
"white":
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/heroines-rise-white-female-virginia-tech-soccer-player-awarded-100-000-for-refusing-to-kneel-to-black-lives-matter-terrorists
[quote]A former Virginia Tech soccer player who alleges that her
coach benched her after she refused to kneel before a game, is
going to get a $100,000 settlement.
Kiersten Hening was a midfielder for the Virginia Tech women’s
soccer team between 2018 and 2020. She alleges that the team’s
head coach Charles “Chugger” Adair took away her starting spot
after she refused to kneel for a pre-game “unity statement”
ahead of a game against UVA in September 2020.
...
She said that her political beliefs led to her coach berating
her during halftime. Hening allegedly wagged his finger in her
face and accused her of “bitching and moaning.” After the game,
Hening claims that she was benched and pressured to leave the
team.
The ex-Hokies midfielder claims that things got so out of hand
that she did ultimately leave the team.
Hening filed a lawsuit in 2021 on the grounds that Adair had
violated her First Amendment rights.[/quote]
This is Trump-style reasoning ("Twitter banned me!"). She can
choose to not kneel (expressing that she does not support BLM),
and her coach can choose to cancel her for not kneeling
(expressing that he does not want a non-BLM-supporter
representing the team). This is two people successively applying
the First Amendment. There is no problem here. Hening even looks
like Trump:
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1612148055624634368/YHM3Qd88?format=jpg&name=small[/img]
But instead of going to court, Virginia Tech decided to be
cowardly and pay her. What do our enemies think?
[quote]When we win, a statue of her will be erected in
Blacksburg, VA.[/quote]
This is why our enemies must not be allowed to win.
[quote]In the near future, the soccer stadium at Virginia Tech
will be renamed in honor of Kiersten Hening.[/quote]
In the near future we envision, she will have her legs sawn off
at the knees.
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 12, 2023, 9:59 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/non-aryan-aggressiveness/msg14714/#msg14714
Rightists will never understand free speech:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/conservative-commentator-sexually-harassed-aoc-010112154.html
[quote]A conservative commentator who sexually harassed AOC is
suing her for blocking him on Twitter
...
Alex Stein, a commentator on TheBlazeTV, a media network founded
by Glenn Beck, gained attention in June 2022 after he filmed
himself yelling at Ocasio-Cortez, calling her his "favorite big
booty Latina" and accusing her of wanting to "kill
babies."[/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]Sexually harassing a woman and DEMANDING access to do
more damage. Yep, that is a REAL CONSERVATIVE.[/quote]
[quote]Nobody has a right to be on a Twitter feed. If a person
wants to block somebody, they can. [/quote]
[quote]It is her "personal account", she can block whoever she
wants, especially this guy who insulted her publically... He is
the bully and she is the victim and he dares to sue
her...[/quote]
[quote]being block on any site is not an infringement of your
free speech.[/quote]
[quote]Republicans have a weird sense of grandiose
entitlement.[/quote]
[quote]Typical low life no class republican. Pulls a slimy stunt
like that and then complains about it. I wish somebody would
have blank slapped him right there on the steps.[/quote]
[quote]The only thing we should be doing with conservatives is
putting them in their graves[/quote]
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 26, 2023, 5:55 pm
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Russia doesn't understand free speech either:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63yPM6EbW5A
Best comment:
[quote]Have you seen the maga comments that "Fox firing Tucker
is confirmation that Fox is now "woke".[/quote]
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Re: Freedom of Speech
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 6, 2023, 5:31 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz9ukmdbB7M
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