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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 7, 2025, 1:17 am
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"What’s the difference between equality and universalism?"
I assume you mean the difference between egalitarianism and
universalism? Egalitarianism is the belief that everyone is
equal. Universalism is the belief that we should not have an
in-group/out-group double-standard in our scope of ethical
concern. Not only does a universalist need not be an
egalitarian, but indeed an egalitarian would suck at being a
universalist, since an egalitarian universalist would consider
tribalists equal to universalists (at the same as agreeing that
tribalism is wrong!).
"what did Aristotle and Moses stand for?"
You can read up on them yourself, and come back if you have
specific questions.
"What can a Westernized individual overcome to prevent anymore
Westernization?"
Progressivism, Eurocentrism, Achilleanism, Faustianism, etc..
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Re: Gnosticism
By: HikariDude Date: May 7, 2025, 10:06 am
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“Not only does a universalist need not be an egalitarian, but
indeed an egalitarian would suck at being a universalist, since
an egalitarian universalist would consider tribalists equal to
universalists”
Hence the new but faithful saying “love for all who have love
for all” (which the egalitarian does not understand). Were
sayings like that in ancient times?
“You can read up on them yourself,”
In the main site’s ‘Western Civilization Must Die’ page, for
example?
“Achilleanism, Faustianism,”
What is the difference between Achilleanism and Faustianism? I
know Faustianism is one’s desire for material gain at the
expense of their soul. But to be sure, is Achilleanism (as I
read in the page mentioned above) about fame being a long term
motivator?
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 7, 2025, 4:03 pm
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"“love for all who have love for all”"
This implies we should love those who love tribalists (who would
be included in the second "all"). WTF?!
"In the main site’s ‘Western Civilization Must Die’ page, for
example?"
Anywhere you wish.
"What is the difference between Achilleanism and Faustianism?"
Achilleanism is the desire for glory. Faustianism is the desire
to be the first to do what has never been done before. In
practice, being the first to do what has never been done before
frequently leads to obtaining glory, therefore the two often go
together. On the other hand, there are other ways to obtain
glory than being the first to do what has never been done
before, therefore Achilleanism is broader.
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Re: Gnosticism
By: HikariDude Date: May 7, 2025, 7:04 pm
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“This implies we should love those who love tribalists”
Weren’t you praising the quote here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg418/#msg418
[quote]This slogan succinctly captures the true spirit of
universalism. Jews do not have love for all, therefore hating
Jews does not in any way discredit our universalism;[/quote]
? Of course some in the second (or third, fourth, etc) “all”
might actually not love all. This is why I believe we should be
radical about it and judge the root of their “love”. For
example, not only would some in the second “all” not love all,
but some in the first “all” that do not “love all” might
actually “love all who have love for all” radically. Don’t you
think so?
“there are other ways to obtain glory than being the first to do
what has never been done before, therefore Achilleanism is
broader”
So to be sure, all Faustians are Achilleans but not all
Achilleans are Faustians?
Also, Faustianism might also go hand in hand with Progressivism
as progress would make the inventor the first.
But how does Eurocentrism (and others like high sexual
dimorphism) correlate with the other three?
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 7, 2025, 7:43 pm
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[quote]Jews do not have love for all, therefore hating Jews does
not in any way discredit our universalism;[/quote]
This statement is true. But taking this approach further, the
next question is: should we love those who love both Jews and
non-Jews? I am saying we should not.
Thus I admit I should not have said:
[quote]This slogan succinctly captures the true spirit of
universalism.[/quote]
I have edited the original post such that the statement at that
position now instead reads:
[quote]This slogan demonstrates that Jackson is closer to the
true spirit of universalism than Barkley is.[/quote]
Thanks!
"So to be sure, all Faustians are Achilleans but not all
Achilleans are Faustians?"
In theory, I suppose you could be a non-Achillean Faustian if
you want to be the first to do something that has never been
done before but deliberately keep this a secret from the rest of
the world. But I doubt this is significant in reality.
"But how does Eurocentrism (and others like high sexual
dimorphism) correlate with the other three?"
From where has most of the progress been coming from?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/msg24878/#msg24878
[quote][img]
HTML https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-889f85686fb00293dc1511e0ef5dadcf-pjlq[/img][/quote]
As for high sexual dimorphism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg10146/#msg10146
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg12447/#msg12447
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg21872/#msg21872
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg22158/#msg22158
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg24370/#msg24370
(and many other posts in that topic)
High sexual dimorphism also implies low neoteny:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg16234/#msg16234
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg13173/#msg13173
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/re-sexual-dimorphism-preferences/msg28314/#msg28314
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Re: Gnosticism
By: HikariDude Date: May 7, 2025, 10:22 pm
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“Thus I admit I should not have said:”
I will also admit seeing the root at which number “all” could
also be time consuming. For example, love for all (who have love
for all)x might mean it would take forever to see where x lands.
“I suppose you could be a non-Achillean Faustian if you want to
be the first to do something that has never been done before but
deliberately keep this a secret from the rest of the world. But
I doubt this is significant in reality.”
Those non-Achillean Faustians either might be anonymously
earning glory, might be contributing to something they would
feel embarrassed about, or might simply see it as a confidence
booster.
Also, I am not that much familiar with the story about Faust,
but from what I know of Faust, he was basically an Achillean by
your definition. He sold to the devil his soul for glory. Though
I am not sure what he was first to do.
“From where has most of the progress been coming from?”
Good point.
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Re: Gnosticism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 7, 2025, 11:33 pm
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"I am not sure what he was first to do."
He was supposed to have excelled in various fields to an
unprecedented degree. Anyway, here are more posts about
Faustianism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg20084/?topicseen#msg20084
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17277/?topicseen#msg17277
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg16871/?topicseen#msg16871
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14867/?topicseen#msg14867
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14444/?topicseen#msg14444
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg13094/?topicseen#msg13094
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10670/?topicseen#msg10670
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10474/?topicseen#msg10474
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9344/?topicseen#msg9344
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9151/?topicseen#msg9151
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg5055/?topicseen#msg5055
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Re: Gnosticism
By: HikariDude Date: May 8, 2025, 11:17 pm
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“He was supposed to have excelled in various fields to an
unprecedented degree.”
Okok.
I think we had a good talk. Put another end to discussion? I
might need a break. If I have questions or other things to share
(maybe sooner, maybe later), I would let you know.
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Re: Gnosticism
By: TheRock Date: May 12, 2025, 12:42 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=890.msg30128#msg30128
date=1746678798]
"I am not sure what he was first to do."
He was supposed to have excelled in various fields to an
unprecedented degree. Anyway, here are more posts about
Faustianism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg20084/?topicseen#msg20084
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg17277/?topicseen#msg17277
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg16871/?topicseen#msg16871
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14867/?topicseen#msg14867
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14444/?topicseen#msg14444
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg13094/?topicseen#msg13094
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10670/?topicseen#msg10670
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg10474/?topicseen#msg10474
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9344/?topicseen#msg9344
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg9151/?topicseen#msg9151
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg5055/?topicseen#msg5055
[/quote]
I overheard my uncle yesterday speaking on how much harder it is
to get parents to volunteer for things parents in California
used to love to volunteer for. No one wants to participate
anymore in the U.S., apparently?
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Re: Gnosticism
By: FakeJesus Date: October 9, 2025, 6:25 pm
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More people acknowledging and looking into Gnosticism:
The Fake Jesus You Were Taught About | Prof Jiang
Explains[quote]
Jesus Christ — the most famous man to ever live.
But who was he, really? A divine Son of God, a revolutionary
social reformer, or a misunderstood human who challenged empire
and religion alike?
In this lecture, Prof. Jiang separates the historical Jesus from
the biblical Jesus, tracing how one humble Galilean teacher
became the central figure of Western civilization.
You’ll discover how Jesus’ teachings on forgiveness, rebellion,
and redemption reshaped moral philosophy — and how his story was
later transformed by politics, myth, and power.
This is not a sermon. It’s history, philosophy, and religion —
explained through evidence, logic, and humanity.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzzNQOmEZ1Y
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