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Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in Con
fucianism and other Beliefs like Judeo-Christi
By: Prite Date: July 25, 2020, 11:43 am
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I read that Confucianism is the reason why some Chinese
descendants reverent their parents and ancestors; and seeing
reproduction and growing children as merits. The same can be
said with Judeo-Christianity. Am I right?
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Re: Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in
Confucianism and other Beliefs like Judeo-Chr
By: guest5 Date: July 25, 2020, 4:27 pm
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Yes you are:
[quote]
As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the
earth and increase upon it. — Genesis 9:7[/quote]
[quote]Honour your father and your mother. — Exodus
20:12[/quote]
Don't worry about them being racist, abusive, or violent, you
should honor them just because they are your father and mother.
That is what Judaism teaches people. Don't question worldly
authority either....
As compared to the teachings of Jesus:
[quote]If any man come to me, and hate not his father and
mother, and wife and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea,
and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.[/quote]
#Post#: 522--------------------------------------------------
Re: Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in
Confucianism and other Beliefs like Judeo-Chr
By: Prite Date: July 26, 2020, 1:06 am
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Can you explain the last quote about the teachings of Jesus? The
sentence is too difficult to interpret.
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Re: Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in
Confucianism and other Beliefs like Judeo-Chr
By: guest5 Date: July 26, 2020, 10:44 am
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Sure. If you cannot hate the material world and it's trappings
you cannot be a disciple of Jesus. Hate is greater than hope.
Tolerating evil and hoping people will change for the better
gets us nowhere. Only intolerance toward evil and hating people
for their evil ways can bring lasting change. You should never
love someone simply because you are 'supposed' to either, that
is not genuine love....
Just because a person is your father, brother, or sister, etc.
doesn't mean they are automatically good people. This teaching
alone by Jesus prevents followers of Jesus from falling into
tribalism as Jews do.
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"If you cannot hate the devil then you cannot love God".
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Re: Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in
Confucianism and other Be
By: rp Date: May 31, 2025, 2:08 pm
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HTML https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/celibacy#:~:text=The%20Jewish%20opposition%20to%20celibacy,O%E1%B8%A4%2053:9).
[Quote]
[B]The deliberate renunciation of marriage is all but completely
alien to Judaism. [/B] Scarcely any references to celibates are
to be found in the Bible or in the Talmud, and no medieval rabbi
is known to have lived as a celibate (see L. Loew , Gesammelte
Schriften, 2 (1890), 112; 3 (1893), 29ff.). The demands of
celibacy were included neither among the acts of self-denial
imposed upon the Nazirite (Num. 6:1–21), nor among the special
restrictions incumbent upon the priesthood (Lev. 21:1–15).
Celibacy among Jews was a strictly sectarian practice; Josephus
ascribes it to some of the *Essenes (Wars 2:120–21). Equally
exceptional is the one solitary case of the talmudist Simeon ben
*Azzai who explained his celibacy with the words: "My soul is
fond of the Law; the world will be perpetuated by others" (Yev.
63b).
The norm of Jewish law, thought, and life is represented rather
by the opening clause in the matrimonial code of the
Shulḥan Arukh: "Every man is obliged to marry in order to
fulfill the duty of procreation, and whoever is not engaged in
propagating the race is as if he shed blood, diminishing the
Divine image and causing His Presence to depart from Israel"
(Sh. Ar., EH 1:1). The law even provides for the courts to
compel a man to marry if he is still single after passing the
age of 20 (ibid., 1:3). Since the late Middle Ages, however,
such authority has not been exercised (Isserles, ad loc.). Only
if a person "cleaves to the study of the Torah like Simeon b.
Azzai" can his refusal to marry be condoned, provided he can
control his sexual lust (ibid. 4).
The Jewish opposition to celibacy is founded first on the
positive precept to "be fruitful and multiply" as a cardinal
duty to perpetuate life, a duty which also underlies the
attitude of Judaism toward *birth control. S
[/Quote]
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Re: Reverence Ancestors and Reproduction as "Merit" in
Confucianism and other Be
By: EssenePlinyTheElder Date: May 31, 2025, 9:15 pm
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[quote author=rp link=topic=89.msg30313#msg30313
date=1748718481]
HTML https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/celibacy#:~:text=The%20Jewish%20opposition%20to%20celibacy,O%E1%B8%A4%2053:9).
[Quote]
[B]The deliberate renunciation of marriage is all but completely
alien to Judaism. [/B] Scarcely any references to celibates are
to be found in the Bible or in the Talmud, and no medieval rabbi
is known to have lived as a celibate (see L. Loew , Gesammelte
Schriften, 2 (1890), 112; 3 (1893), 29ff.). The demands of
celibacy were included neither among the acts of self-denial
imposed upon the Nazirite (Num. 6:1–21), nor among the special
restrictions incumbent upon the priesthood (Lev. 21:1–15).
Celibacy among Jews was a strictly sectarian practice; Josephus
ascribes it to some of the *Essenes (Wars 2:120–21). Equally
exceptional is the one solitary case of the talmudist Simeon ben
*Azzai who explained his celibacy with the words: "My soul is
fond of the Law; the world will be perpetuated by others" (Yev.
63b).
The norm of Jewish law, thought, and life is represented rather
by the opening clause in the matrimonial code of the
Shulḥan Arukh: "Every man is obliged to marry in order to
fulfill the duty of procreation, and whoever is not engaged in
propagating the race is as if he shed blood, diminishing the
Divine image and causing His Presence to depart from Israel"
(Sh. Ar., EH 1:1). The law even provides for the courts to
compel a man to marry if he is still single after passing the
age of 20 (ibid., 1:3). Since the late Middle Ages, however,
such authority has not been exercised (Isserles, ad loc.). Only
if a person "cleaves to the study of the Torah like Simeon b.
Azzai" can his refusal to marry be condoned, provided he can
control his sexual lust (ibid. 4).
The Jewish opposition to celibacy is founded first on the
positive precept to "be fruitful and multiply" as a cardinal
duty to perpetuate life, a duty which also underlies the
attitude of Judaism toward *birth control. S
[/Quote]
[/quote]
Interestingly, Pliny states the opposite in regards to the
Essenes:
[quote]Pliny clearly wrote that the Essenes who lived near the
Dead Sea "had not one woman, had renounced all pleasure... and
no one was born in their race".[/quote]
Of further interest:
[quote]Fred Gladstone Bratton notes that: The Teacher of
Righteousness of the Scrolls would seem to be a prototype of
Jesus, for both spoke of the New Covenant; they preached a
similar gospel; each was regarded as a Savior or Redeemer; and
each was condemned and put to death by reactionary factions...
We do not know whether Jesus was an Essene, but some scholars
feel that he was at least influenced by them.[70][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes
I believe Jesus was at the least very close to Essene teachings
and the Essene way of life as well, if not an actual Essene
himself?
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