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Re: Paganism
By: guest28 Date: August 3, 2021, 8:02 pm
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Yes I am well aware that the Asatru kind are rather exclusive
for those of European descent but I have never thought the Troth
was universalist.
What would be your opinion on lets say Mexicans wanting to
revive Aztec paganism and veneration of the Nahua gods for
Mexicans and only Mexicans? Would be you opposed to them
reviving their ethnic religion for their ethnic people? I do
understand the point of Europeans only worshiping the gods that
European because if a non-European were to worship that European
god like odin then it would simply be a weird site to see. I
have seen arguments of modern day neo-pagans saying that only
Mexicans should be able to worship their gods and the same goes
for Europeans worshipping their own gods.
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Re: Paganism
By: guest28 Date: August 3, 2021, 8:05 pm
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"This is simply incorrect. It is very common to find old
national socialists including Hitler saying Shinto is Japanese
National Socialism."
This is true actually on Shintoism being a form of Japanese
National Socialism. Shinto is an ethnic exclusive faith, i.e. to
the Japanese because the faith was formed out of the natural
formation of the Japanese. But this isn't to say that a
non-Japanese can be inspired by it because according to Sokyo
Ono, he does affirm it is an ethnic faith but at the same time
he also acknowledges the "universal" inspirational aspects of
it.
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Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 4, 2021, 12:16 am
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[quote author=HookedCross link=topic=873.msg7867#msg7867
date=1628038938]
Yes I am well aware that the Asatru kind are rather exclusive
for those of European descent but I have never thought the Troth
was universalist.
What would be your opinion on lets say Mexicans wanting to
revive Aztec paganism and veneration of the Nahua gods for
Mexicans and only Mexicans? Would be you opposed to them
reviving their ethnic religion for their ethnic people? I do
understand the point of Europeans only worshiping the gods that
European because if a non-European were to worship that European
god like odin then it would simply be a weird site to see. I
have seen arguments of modern day neo-pagans saying that only
Mexicans should be able to worship their gods and the same goes
for Europeans worshipping their own gods.
[/quote]
This forces me to concede to SirGalahad. If it is that slippery
of a slope to fall into tribalism than maybe just throw it out.
I live in the shadow of the mogollon rim in Arizona, I have a
deep history here and in the old world. None of our ancestors
worth anything told people they couldn't worship "our' gods. The
sun god whether his name was in Uto-Aztecan or Egyptian shines
on anyone willing to receive its light.
If worshipping our ancestors and their gods make us tribalist
than destroy it. It is worth nothing further.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: antihellenistic Date: November 21, 2024, 8:27 pm
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Odin Paganism and Dualism Root on Hitler's Worldview
[quote]Hitler insisted that the National Socialist Swastika be
right-handed, which would symbolise ‘decline and death’. Odin is
the God of death, and Rudolf Jung confirms that the National
Socialist God is Odin. So it makes perfect sense why Hitler
chose the right-handed version of the Swastika: it represented
his God. The Swastika is Odin’s symbol. Videla, in his book on
National Socialist philosophy, says that the National Socialists
made ‘struggle’ into a law: the ‘Law of Struggle’. He also says
that the Swastika was the representation of this Law of
Struggle. “The great symbol of Nazism was interpreted with the
analogy of a world in movement and constant becoming due to the
indefatigable nature of life-as-struggle.” “The Aryan spirit
does not know a perfect world. The world is more like a wheel
that turns on itself, symbolised by the swastika.” So, the
Swastika is the symbol of Odin, and also ‘struggle’. War,
struggle, death. Well, what was Hitler about? War, struggle and
death! The amount of times Hitler said the words “battle”
(Minute 00:06:51 until 00:08:02)
Battle and struggle are integral to National Socialism, and
Hitler says these terms thousands of times in Mein Kampf, his
speeches, and elsewhere. We’d be here for weeks if we were to
read all the quotes. But let’s just give a few examples: “I
would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me
of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany.” In
other words: ‘Thank you Odin, God of War, for allowing me to
wage this battle’. Elsewhere: “Our entire struggle is a battle
for the soul of our people. It is further a structure, a
structure consisting of those minds who are the bearers of our
worldview and who will be the foundation of the new state.”
‘Struggle is a battle for the soul of the German people, whose
God is Odin.’ And perhaps most tellingly: “We are not pacifists,
for we know that the father of all things is combat and
struggle.” ... this particular quote is otherwise attributed to
the Ancient Greek philosopher Heraclitus who said that “change
is the father of all things”, and there’s definitely a link
there. But ‘change’ is also Hegel’s ‘Aufheben’, which Videla
said before means a “world in movement and constant becoming”.
Aufheben and ‘change’ is struggle and revolution. Hitler, of
course, was all about struggle and revolution, so it’s all tied
together with him, but also Odin.
(Minute 00:08:24 until 00:10:13)
Adolf Hitler himself became a big proponent of WEL. In fact,
Hitler planned to build a planetarium in Linz where a whole
floor would be dedicated to Hörbiger’s theory. He is also known
to have suggested that the World Ice Theory could one day
replace Christianity.” “The Welteislehre provided an Aryan
alternative to the ‘dreadful and mistaken’ ‘Jewish theories’ of
scientists like Einstein.” “Invented by the Austrian scientist
and philosopher Hanns Horbiger, World Ice Theory was inspired by
a dream in which Horbiger found himself floating in space,
observing a giant pendulum swinging back and forth, growing ever
longer and eventually breaking. When he woke Horbiger claimed to
know intuitively that the sun's gravitational pull ceased to
exert any force at three times the distance of Neptune and that
most of the physical universe could be explained through the
interplay of the 'antagonistic Ur-substances of ice and fire'.”
“According to Hörbiger, the prime matter of the universe was
ice. Cosmic ice threaded its way through the cosmos; the Milky
Way and every planetary body, with the exception of the Earth,
was sheathed in ice. But this cosmic frost waged perpetual war
with gigantic, fiery suns. Every body in the universe was drawn
into the perpetual struggle between fire and ice and new planets
were formed from the debris of catastrophe and collision.
Bigger, more powerful bodies like the Earth ensnared smaller
moons in ever-decreasing orbital cycles and the eventual
collisions generated floods, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions.
According to Hörbiger, Mondniederbrüche (‘moon breakdown’)
explained the extinction of the dinosaurs, the biblical flood
and the destruction of Atlantis. The few survivors fled to form
‘asylum’ or ‘refuge’ cultures in Mexico and South America.”
(Minute 00:13:40 until 00:15:40)
“ 'I tend to support World Ice Theory,' Hitler declared in 1942.
Horbiger's theory was convincing, the Fuhrer suggested, in
proving that icy moons had crashed into Earth, creating
geophysical forces that caused a flood from which only 'a few
humans hadsurvived'... 'In all the human traditions,' Hitler
continued, 'one finds mention of a huge cosmic disaster... In
the Nordic legend we read of a struggle between giants and gods.
In my view,the thing is explicable only [based on] the
hypothesis of a disaster that completely destroyed a humanity
which already possessed a high degree of civilization.' ” And
probably related to this idea, Hitler also said: “All that’s
left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the
organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe
has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the
stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited
worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted
of absurdity.”
(Minute 00:15:45 until 00:16:54)[/quote]
Source :
TIKHistory. (2024). The God Behind Hitler's National Socialism.
Accessed on 22 November 2024, from :
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xW_-4yTnPY
1. Adolf Hitler, 21 August 1927, "Collection of Speeches
1922-1945," p69.
2. Adolf Hitler, 18 January 1927, "Collection of Speeches
1922-1945," p64.
3. Videla, "National Socialism: Its Principles and Philosophy,"
p47.
4. Magee, "Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition," p154-155. Peikoff,
"Heraclitus of Ephesus: A World of Change and Contradiction by
Leonard Peikoff, part 3 of 50," 11 Feb 2021
HTML https://youtu.be/CP2RH9IZnXk?si=RO3okHEeOXOqxCct
5. Hale, "Himmler's Crusade," ebook p180.
6. Kurlander, "Hitler's Monsters," Kindle Introduction, p29.
7. Hale. "Himmler's Crusade." ebook p179.
8. Kurlander, "Hitler's Monsters," Kindle Introduction, p150.
9. Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941, quoted from "Hitler's Table
Talks," p23.
Therefore, Hitler's worldview was totally against the
Fundamental Western Worldview of In-World Spirit and Gratitude
#Post#: 28746--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 21, 2024, 10:31 pm
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"Paganism and Dualism Root"
There is no such thing. Pagans are never dualists and dualists
are never pagans.
"Fundamental Western Worldview of In-World Spirit and Gratitude"
You have totally misunderstood. There are two types of
gratitude. There is the delusional gratitude for illusory peace,
and there is the barbaric gratitude for the (accurately
perceived) true nature of worldly existence which is perpetual
conflict.
We oppose both. We (unlike the barbarians) want peace, but
(unlike the deluded) accept that lasting peace is impossible in
the material world, and thus our mission is to eliminate
everyone who remains attached to the material world for either
barbaric reasons (they positively enjoy conflict) or delusional
reasons (they think lasting peace in the material world is
possible), or mixtures of the two (e.g. while neither enjoying
conflict nor believing in the possibility of lasting peace,
think the times of peace are worth the times of conflict). This
is the struggle.
What your quoted article is trying to do is interpret Hitler as
a barbarian, and hence as advocating merely paganism.
[quote]“The Aryan spirit does not know a perfect world.[/quote]
Of course we know it. It is because we know it that we realize
how bad this world is in comparison!
[quote]Battle and struggle are integral to National
Socialism[/quote]
Yes, but not because we enjoy it. It is integral because our
barbaric enemies enjoy it, and we will not defeat them by
delusionally pretending they actually don't.
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