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#Post#: 7801--------------------------------------------------
Paganism
By: guest28 Date: July 31, 2021, 5:00 am
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I understand that most - if not everyone - is "luciferian" in
their religious beliefs but what is your guys' personal opinions
on Paganism, (the most popular of which is German/Norse
paganism), but all sorts of Paganism in general like
Germanic/Norse including Asian paganism like Shinto from Japan,
Native Indian from North Americas to the South and Central
Americas, Continental Indian Paganism - Hinduism or Sanatan
Dharma - and other religions like that?
Do you believe that the western Christian has told some lies
about them?
Personally, I have in regards to my people that I am descended
from which are the Aztecs. I actually believe the Conquistadores
lied about many aspects of the Aztec civilization in order to
tear down this civilization and to convert them to Catholicism.
(despite me being Catholic myself) (...and let's not forget that
many Spaniard conquistadores were Sephardi Jews and Columbus
himself was also a Jew...)
Like the human sacrifices - which in reality - sacrifices like
abortion were punishable by death both for the women and the
doctors as this was seen as a very heinous crime because women
in that time were only seen to be mothers and actual recorded
abortions from the Aztec peoples were from politicians who
ordered the women they were close with to receive abortions for
political purposes. So most likely the conquistadores must have
stumbled upon these politicians and their abortions and took it
way out of context and decided to project it onto the entire
people. I love my heritage from Mexico and Colombia and it
irritates me how many times I have to hear about how "barbaric"
these natives were with their sacrifices every single second of
every day of every week of every year.
But yea...that is enough about that, what is Aryanism's opinion
on Paganism? I know you all consider your self's as "Folkists"
or "Volkisch" and it got me to ask this because "Folkism" or
"Volkischism" was a rather religious-political Pagan concept but
please correct me if I am wrong.
And would Aryanism ever accept a Pagan into their ranks?
#Post#: 7802--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: guest28 Date: July 31, 2021, 5:03 am
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I would also like to mention a famous Pagan in the Reich by the
name of Kurt Eggers, he was a poet who always criticized
Christianity in his writings but despite that he still fought
and died with his Christian brothers in the Reich.
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Kurt_Eggers.png
I do not agree with his writings on Christianity but I do
respect him as a soldier and his bravery in the SS.
#Post#: 7804--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: SirGalahad Date: July 31, 2021, 11:29 am
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Most of them are Demiurgic in essence, because they involve the
worship of gods who represent natural forces. I don't really
think the word "pagan" means anything to begin with, since it
merely refers to non-Christian beliefs. Zoroastrianism is
"pagan", but it shares a lot more in common with Christianity
than it does with the traditional Indo-Iranian polytheism of its
time, which it was founded to be a total opposition of. If by
accepting "pagans" you mean Zoroastrians or Sikhs or
Pythagoreans or even Buddhists, then yes. But if you mean
"pagans" as in the Asatru crowd, or Shinto, or any of the other
animistic Native American religions, then it's a resounding no
(Hinduism is a gray area in this context, since it has qualities
from both). All Aryan religions are transcendental and oppose
the natural world.
As for the actual history of Christian documentation of foreign
beliefs, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable
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Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 6:28 pm
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[quote author=SirGalahad link=topic=873.msg7804#msg7804
date=1627748999]
Most of them are Demiurgic in essence, because they involve the
worship of gods who represent natural forces. I don't really
think the word "pagan" means anything to begin with, since it
merely refers to non-Christian beliefs. Zoroastrianism is
"pagan", but it shares a lot more in common with Christianity
than it does with the traditional Indo-Iranian polytheism of its
time, which it was founded to be a total opposition of. If by
accepting "pagans" you mean Zoroastrians or Sikhs or
Pythagoreans or even Buddhists, then yes. But if you mean
"pagans" as in the Asatru crowd, or Shinto, or any of the other
animistic Native American religions, then it's a resounding no
(Hinduism is a gray area in this context, since it has qualities
from both). All Aryan religions are transcendental and oppose
the natural world.
As for the actual history of Christian documentation of foreign
beliefs, I'll leave that to someone more knowledgeable
[/quote]
This is simply incorrect. It is very common to find old national
socialists including Hitler saying Shinto is Japanese National
Socialism.
What we need to keep in mind is this transcendence does not need
to be celestial. If I recall correctly all Aryan Golden ages
were on earth. When we die we reincarnate or are judged or
transcend but it is likely there is going to be a lot of Aryans
and a lot of suffering for quite awhile after our deaths. Those
Aryans deserve to look forward to their dominion and their own
peace. If you learn about shinto you will see the Aryan Golden
age in the unmixed descendants of the sun goddess. THIS IS
ARYAN.
#Post#: 7841--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 6:37 pm
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[quote author=HookedCross link=topic=873.msg7801#msg7801
date=1627725628]
I understand that most - if not everyone - is "luciferian" in
their religious beliefs but what is your guys' personal opinions
on Paganism, (the most popular of which is German/Norse
paganism), but all sorts of Paganism in general like
Germanic/Norse including Asian paganism like Shinto from Japan,
Native Indian from North Americas to the South and Central
Americas, Continental Indian Paganism - Hinduism or Sanatan
Dharma - and other religions like that?
Do you believe that the western Christian has told some lies
about them?
Personally, I have in regards to my people that I am descended
from which are the Aztecs. I actually believe the Conquistadores
lied about many aspects of the Aztec civilization in order to
tear down this civilization and to convert them to Catholicism.
(despite me being Catholic myself) (...and let's not forget that
many Spaniard conquistadores were Sephardi Jews and Columbus
himself was also a Jew...)
Like the human sacrifices - which in reality - sacrifices like
abortion were punishable by death both for the women and the
doctors as this was seen as a very heinous crime because women
in that time were only seen to be mothers and actual recorded
abortions from the Aztec peoples were from politicians who
ordered the women they were close with to receive abortions for
political purposes. So most likely the conquistadores must have
stumbled upon these politicians and their abortions and took it
way out of context and decided to project it onto the entire
people. I love my heritage from Mexico and Colombia and it
irritates me how many times I have to hear about how "barbaric"
these natives were with their sacrifices every single second of
every day of every week of every year.
But yea...that is enough about that, what is Aryanism's opinion
on Paganism? I know you all consider your self's as "Folkists"
or "Volkisch" and it got me to ask this because "Folkism" or
"Volkischism" was a rather religious-political Pagan concept but
please correct me if I am wrong.
And would Aryanism ever accept a Pagan into their ranks?
[/quote]
Asatru Folk Assembly is opposed because of their tribalism.
The Troth is not because of their universalism.
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Re: Paganism
By: SirGalahad Date: August 1, 2021, 7:49 pm
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"What we need to keep in mind is this transcendence does not
need to be celestial. If I recall correctly all Aryan Golden
ages were on earth. When we die we reincarnate or are judged or
transcend but it is likely there is going to be a lot of Aryans
and a lot of suffering for quite awhile after our deaths. Those
Aryans deserve to look forward to their dominion and their own
peace."
This doesn't contradict what I said when I referred to
transcendentalism
"If you learn about shinto you will see the Aryan Golden age in
the unmixed descendants of the sun goddess. THIS IS ARYAN."
That doesn't mean anything. Norse paganism has Aryan elements,
but that doesn't mean that it itself is Aryan, nor that we
should convert to it. As for The Troth, their members may be
universalists in practice, but Norse paganism doesn't reflect
this. Firstly, Norse paganism is restricted to a very specific
time, place, and culture. The end goal isn't to convert everyone
to Asatru like other universalist religions, because it's an
inherently tribal religion whether the members of The Troth
disavow discrimination and promote inclusivity or not. Secondly,
Aryans shouldn't be worshipping gods of natural forces. We can
collaborate with any noble, self proclaimed universalists who
happen to follow tribal religions, but they'll eventually become
our enemy when the time comes, just like non-Gnostic
Christians/Muslims will eventually become the enemy of Gnostic
Christians/Muslims when that form of collaboration outlives its
usefulness
#Post#: 7843--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 8:05 pm
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[quote author=SirGalahad link=topic=873.msg7842#msg7842
date=1627865347]
"What we need to keep in mind is this transcendence does not
need to be celestial. If I recall correctly all Aryan Golden
ages were on earth. When we die we reincarnate or are judged or
transcend but it is likely there is going to be a lot of Aryans
and a lot of suffering for quite awhile after our deaths. Those
Aryans deserve to look forward to their dominion and their own
peace."
This doesn't contradict what I said when I referred to
transcendentalism
"If you learn about shinto you will see the Aryan Golden age in
the unmixed descendants of the sun goddess. THIS IS ARYAN."
That doesn't mean anything. Norse paganism has Aryan elements,
but that doesn't mean that it itself is Aryan, nor that we
should convert to it. As for The Troth, their members may be
universalists in practice, but Norse paganism doesn't reflect
this. Firstly, Norse paganism is restricted to a very specific
time, place, and culture. The end goal isn't to convert everyone
to Asatru like other universalist religions, because it's an
inherently tribal religion whether the members of The Troth
disavow discrimination and promote inclusivity or not. Secondly,
Aryans shouldn't be worshipping gods of natural forces. We can
collaborate with any noble, self proclaimed universalists who
happen to follow tribal religions, but they'll eventually become
our enemy when the time comes, just like non-Gnostic
Christians/Muslims will eventually become the enemy of Gnostic
Christians/Muslims when that form of collaboration outlives its
usefulness
[/quote]
You are not understanding natural as I have learned it from
Aryanism. The sun god is needed not alone, but with the god of
lightning. Again these are not my own formulations, but that of
Devi. Read the lightning and the sun, or any of Rosenbergs or
myatts books. Hitler said the exact opposite of you regarding
Shintoism.
What you are telling us is to throw out the teachings of
Rosenberg and Devi and Myatt, and even Hitler.
#Post#: 7844--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 8:19 pm
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The respect that people like Leon Degrelle, Otto Ernst Remer
and Adolf Hitler had for Islam arose from their understanding
that Islam authentic Islam was the way of life of honourable
warriors and produced a noble warrior society.It was this
respect based upon honour which also led to the alliance
with Japan, for Adolf Hitler and other National-Socialists
understood that the ethos of Imperial Japan was a noble warrior
ethos: that the Japan of the time was seeking to restore
Japanese values and a Japanese way of life, valuing as it did
its ancient traditions, such as Bushido. The essence of this way
was the rootedness in the past in Shinto and Bushido with
each individual seeing their own life in relation to Japan, and
its ethos. That is, there was a real sense of Destiny a real
honourable and warrior ethos where individuals were willing and
prepared to sacrifice their own lives for the greater good, for
their unique way of life." -David Myatt
Aryan has nothing to do with proselytizing, it has everything to
do with Nobility
As an after edit I would add; by unique way of life Myatt does
not mean unique as in simply different than others, he meant
they were dissimilar and dissatisfied with society and had a
whole societal revolution.
#Post#: 7847--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 10:21 pm
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When I was a young teen I played a game called farcry primal, it
had a neolithic farmer faction called the Izila. They were in or
around Poland, brown skinned and valued purity. The thing that I
find the most intriguing is that when the happen upon your
character's tribe, the wenja (gentile) while you are warring
with the cannibalistic Neanderthals, the were revolted and
instantly began sacrificing all of the tribes (not any animals)
to their sun goddess Suxli. They use no animal products that I
know of, and even their sexual dimorphism is low. Just Google
the izila you'll see what I mean. Other than their preference
for bows I believe. Its been awhile.
Did this really happen in neolithic Poland? Or is there an event
like this @90sRetroFan?
#Post#: 7848--------------------------------------------------
Re: Paganism
By: Cthens Date: August 1, 2021, 10:30 pm
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It's a shame, I don't remember any animals. Do people just
assume that neolithic farmers also killed animals?
HTML https://farcry.fandom.com/wiki/Izila
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