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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 8, 2022, 9:39 pm
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There is worse from our enemies:
HTML https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/03/07/this-isnt-world-war-three-it-is-far-far-worse-this-is-world-war-sodomy/
[quote]THIS WAR, WHETHER YOU WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE IT OR NOT, IS
FOUNDATIONALLY ABOUT THE GLOBAL RATIFICATION AND INSTALLATION OF
SODOMY AS THE DOMINANT AND “NORMATIVE” MORAL HEGEMONY.
...
Simply look at how the Ukraine-Russia war is being framed. It
is the “freedom-loving, liberty-loving, righteous LGBTQ
friendly” Ukraine against the “Christian theocrat anti-LGBTQ
dictator” Putin (I still marvel at the insanity of this
description).
“Freedom” and “liberty” are now explicit dogwhistles for SODOMY.
...
And, to the point of this essay, the Sodogarchy (aka Globohomo)
are literally, right now, as I type this, agitating for NUCLEAR
WAR, first and foremost in EUROPE, which is, of course, the
center of Christian Civilization[/quote]
I learned a new word today!
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 18, 2022, 10:54 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/author-robert-p-jones-american-110118318.html
[quote]Asking poll questions about people's views on Confederate
flags and monuments, police killings of African Americans, and
other racial issues, author Robert P. Jones created a "racism
index."
For example, most with the highest scores viewed police killings
of African Americans as isolated incidents.
The index is scored from zero to 10, from least to most racist
views, he said. The scores were controlled for political
partisanship, region of the country and other issues.
The findings were surprising, he said.
Not as surprising, white evangelicals scored an average 8 out of
10 on the scale, he said. But white Catholics, who historically
have been discriminated against, and white non-evangelical
protestants scored nearly as high, with an average score of 7,
he said.
Whites with no religious affiliation had an average score of 4.
"When you hear the statistics cold, many white Christians are
astonished," Jones said. "It's very clear that white
Christianity has been on the wrong side of history."
...
Even before the Civil War, many religious abolitionists fighting
to free the slaves didn't believe in equality for Blacks, he
said. Most of them saw whites as the superior race.
The violent, but very religious, abolitionist John Brown is an
exception[/quote]
Brown alone understood Christianity:
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Continuing:
[quote]White ministers, priests and rabbis were more cautious
than courageous "and have remained silent behind the
anesthetizing security of stained-glass windows," Jones quoted
from King.
"I think that's really at the heart of the matter," Jones said.
"Who is their God? Who are they worshiping?"[/quote]
If the ministers and priests worship the same god as the rabbis,
then logically they worship Yahweh. And that is presumably why
they do not think racism is a problem!
[quote]"We're for equal opportunity, but we're going to ignore
our racist past," Jones said is the attitude of too many white
Christians. "It's a kind of historical amnesia that benefits
whites. They just pretend and wipe the slate clean."[/quote]
In other words, they are not Christians. Where does wiping the
slate clean come from?
HTML https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-yom-kippur-reminder-the-idea-of-debt-forgiveness-dates-at-least-as-far-back-as-the-bible-11631729059
[quote]In fact, it dates back (at least) all the way to the Old
Testament of the Bible.
“Every seventh year you shall practice the remission of debts,”
the 15th chapter of Deuteronomy reads. “This shall be the nature
of the remission: every creditor shall remit the due that he
claims from his fellow.”
...
“Shmita is part of a complex of ideas in the Bible that
essentially promote a socioeconomic vision in which people are
given second chances to start over again in which they might
change their economic and social position,” said Suzanne Last
Stone, a professor of Jewish law at Cardozo Law School, Yeshiva
University. “It kind of is like a reboot economically.”[/quote]
Not from Jesus, that's for sure:
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 22, 2022, 9:24 pm
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Our enemies make our case for us while trying to do the
opposite:
HTML https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2022/03/22/is-christianity-compatible-with-white-racialism/
[quote]The Christian Faith, it is argued, stands opposed to
“racism” and ethnic tribalism. Believers in Jesus throughout
Europe and America are urged to be “non-racist.” They are to
stand against any stripe of nationalism that favors one ethnic
group or nationality above another. Along with everyone else in
a deracinated society as ours, White Christians too believe that
“race doesn’t matter.”
Yet, are such notions supported by the New Testament itself
(hereafter, NT)? Has today’s “anti-racism” been the prevailing
viewpoint throughout the history of the Christian Church?
I intend to demonstrate in this article that the NT does not
deny racial differences among human groups, nor does it foster a
multiracial and multicultural framework for the nations.[/quote]
Yes, followers of Jesus must be anti-racist. Therefore the only
way our enemies will succeed in finding New Testament support
for racism is by talking about:
[quote]Paul did not urge Jewish believers to abandon their
Jewish culture or certain ethnic traditions that were unique to
them as a people. In fact, Paul himself was quite proud of his
ethnic pedigree as seen in Philippians 3:4-6 even though he
thought that paled in comparison with “the surpassing value of
knowing Christ Jesus my Lord” (v.8).
When Paul was maligned by false teachers who accused him of
teaching other Jews who are among the Gentiles to “forsake
Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk
according to the customs” in Acts 21:17, he was urged by James
and the elders to ritually “purify” himself and the others with
him so that “all will know that there is nothing to the things
which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also
walk orderly, keeping the Law” (v.24).
It is important to recognize that there is a historical
transition occurring during this period from the Old Covenant to
the New Covenant, and so naturally there is going to be some
overlap between the two covenants. The Christian elders in Acts
21 did not want Paul’s message to be misunderstood, and they did
not want people to reject it based on lies. As a form of
concession, Paul subjects himself to a Jewish ritual cleansing
to show he has not abandoned his people and culture.
This demonstrates that Paul was not against maintaining certain
ethnic customs and traditions unique to Jews. He clearly
maintained his Jewish identity. Likewise, he did not require
that Gentile believers lose their unique ethnic and cultural
identity either, except in those realms that conflicted with the
Gospel message. Gentile believers were forbidden from idolatry,
fornication, including eating meats that have been ceremoniously
offered to idols (Acts 15:19–20).
These types of prohibitions are religious in nature, and not
intended as a prohibition of all things ethnic or cultural. The
natural deduction from it was that everything distinctive to
them as a people was permissible. Greeks did not have to stop
being Greeks, and Jews did not have to stop being Jewish. Paul
had no interest in erasing ‘Whiteness,’ or ‘Jewishness,’ or
‘Greekness.’
...
When Paul gave his speech to the Athenians in Acts 17:26 (“He
made from one, every nation of mankind to live on all the face
of the earth, having determined their appointed times, and the
boundaries of their habitation”), he clearly assumes that while
we have all descended from Adam, there are legitimate boundaries
of habitation (national borders) that separates us from each
other. At no point does Paul argue that such boundaries should
be torn down, nor that each nation should pursue a racial
“melting pot” model for its citizens.
One could argue that it wasn’t Paul’s purpose in his speech to
address immigration issues and racial diversity as it pertains
to nations. True, but it’s interesting to observe that in the
many public addresses Paul gives, including the various people
he encountered during his missionary travels, there is not even
one recorded occasion where he spoke of the need for
miscegenation, racial and cultural diversity, or the blending of
all people into some grand Utopian society. I think if it were
so important for the nations of the world and vital to the
Christian message, he would have said so. The fact that he never
once did this sort of thing tells me that it’s not an essential
of Christian belief.
...
Besides, had Paul really believed that all racial and gender
differences were mere “social constructs” and done away with in
Christ, it seems strange that he would command the women to be
“silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak,
but let them subject themselves just as the Law also says. And
if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own
husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in
church” (1 Corinthians 14:34-35). In his letter to Timothy, Paul
also declares “Let a woman quietly receive instruction with
entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or
exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet” (1 Timothy
2:11-12). Evidently, not all ethnic and gender distinctions were
erased in the way race-denying Christians imagine.[/quote]
Why don't our enemies simply call their religion Paulianity,
then?
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: guest55 Date: March 22, 2022, 9:35 pm
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It never ceases to amaze me how many human-beings will worship
something they have not even read!?
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 1, 2022, 8:33 pm
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Some people understand Christianity is leftist, but do they
understand that the Old Testament is rightist and hence that the
failure to throw out the Old Testament from Christianity is what
is ultimately holding it back?
HTML https://thedialog.org/national-news/some-catholics-believe-the-church-should-look-to-collaborate-with-the-black-lives-matter-movement/
[quote]For Segura, the Black Lives Matter movement is “very much
a secular version of our Catholic social teaching” particularly
with its focus on “affirming the most marginalized
people,”[/quote]
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 4, 2022, 12:14 am
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Meanwhile back in the Orthodox Church:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/patriarch-urges-soldiers-defend-peace-140325408.html
[quote]Patriarch urges soldiers to defend 'peace-loving' Russia
amid Ukraine campaign
...
At the lavishly decorated Main Cathedral of the Armed Forces
opened two years ago in Kubinka outside Moscow, Patriarch Kirill
told a group of servicemen and servicewomen that Russia was a
"peace-loving" country that had suffered greatly from war.
...
Kirill, 75, has previously made statements defending Moscow's
actions in Ukraine and sees the war as a bulwark against a
Western liberal culture that he considers decadent, particularly
over the acceptance of homosexuality.[/quote]
In other words, by "peace" he means peace for heteronormativity
a.k.a. homophobia.
At least he has the hat to go with his attitudes:
[img]
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 10, 2022, 9:22 pm
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Our enemies explain why they love the Old Testament:
HTML https://counter-currents.com/2022/04/a-bit-more-of-the-good-book-the-ethnonationalist-revenge/
[quote]Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good
Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of
something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It
is a tribalist manifesto. Of course, it is more than just that.
It’s part history, myth, fable, literature, prayer, law, and
other things as well.
Thematically it is equally diverse. It’s truculent and cruel, as
when Moses orders the sons of Levi to kill 3,000 of their own
people after they worshipped the golden calf in his absence
(Exodus 32:19-28), or when God instructs the sons of Israel to
commit genocide against the Hittites and other groups
(Deuteronomy 7:1-16). It’s edge-of-your-seat entertaining, as
when the conflicted and ill-fated King Saul contends with the
upstart David along with external threats from the Philistines
and the Amalekites (1 Samuel 15-31).
It’s brimming with unforgettable detail, my favorite being the
“shibboleth” story from Judges 12 in which Jephthah is warring
with Ephraim. The former’s followers detect an Ephraimite
through his inability to pronounce the word “shibboleth.” A
close second also appears in the exquisitely violent Book of
Judges, when a fleeing Canaanite commander named Sisera seeks
shelter in the camp of the Kenites, an allied tribe. Jael, the
wife of Heber, invites him into her tent, waits for him to fall
asleep, and then drives a nail through his temple with a mallet
(Judges 4: 17-22).
For prose literature, one would have to travel to Ancient Greece
to find to find anything as imaginative, profound, and
mesmerizing as the Book of Job. And as for poetry in the form of
prayer, what can equal Psalm 23 (“The Lord is my Shepherd”) to
help a person endure difficult times? Psalm 56 (“A Prayer of
Trust”) comes close. And if one is lonely and far from home, one
can do no better than the first six lines of Psalm 137 (“By the
Rivers of Babylon”) to find comfort.
There is therefore a reason why the Old Testament resonates so
powerfully across the miles and centuries. Of course, this might
be due to the sublime English verse found in the King James
Bible almost as much as it is to the inherent value of the
source material. Can anyone in the West imagine what could
encompass the meaning of the word “scripture” better than the
Old Testament? For these reasons, it is a crucial document of
world history and literature.
Yet, above all else, the Old Testament is — I repeat — a
tribalist manifesto. At all times, the reader is aware of the
distinct and strictly — often violently — enforced demarcations
between Jews and non-Jews. Thus, the term “seed” appears often
in the Pentateuch. Genetics and racial purity are of paramount
important to the ancient Israelites. This is why the Book of
Ruth is so noteworthy: It actually violates this racial purity
by accepting the heathen Ruth into the Jewish bloodline which
leads to King David. Note also Psalm 137, mentioned above. I
included only lines 1-6 because lines 7-9 are quite a bit less,
shall we say, psalm-like. They seek revenge against Israel’s
enemies by calling for the mass murder of children (“Happy shall
he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones.”)
Not so sublime, now, is it?
In Genesis 15:4-5 and 22:17, God informs Abraham that the number
of his seed will amount to the stars in the sky. In Genesis
21:13, God promises Abraham that he will make a nation from his
seed. In Genesis 25:23 God tells Isaac’s wife Rebekah that there
are two separate and distinct nations in her womb. Genesis 35:11
has God instructing Jacob that he will offer the land of Israel
to his seed. So, if you were not of Jacob’s seed, then you were
not going to receive the bounty of the Lord, and no amount of
good deeds and righteous acts was going to change that. This is
not civic nationalism. This is blood and soil tribalism, which
was extremely common if not ubiquitous in the ancient world.
Above, we mention how God instructs His children to commit
genocide. Here’s the Lord in his own words (Deuteronomy
7:14-16):
Thou shalt be blessed above all people: there shall not be male
or female barren among you, or among your cattle.
And the LORD will take away from thee all sickness, and will put
none of the evil diseases of Egypt, which thou knowest, upon
thee; but will lay them upon all them that hate thee.
And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God
shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them:
neither shalt thou serve their gods; for that will be a snare
unto thee.
Now, to be fair to the ancient Israelites, I am sure that the
holy doctrines of all the surrounding tribes in the Middle East
back then had similar passages demonizing the outgroup. In its
historical context, there may not be much that is unusual about
the Old Testament in this regard. But still, it’s impossible not
to read a distinct ethnocentrism in and between the lines of the
Old Testament — one that will force many modern-day Christians
of the “woke” and inclusive variety into the uncomfortable
position of backpedaling. Deuteronomy 14:2 would be a typical
triggering point:
For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD
hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all
the nations that are now upon the earth.
Genealogy is also central to the Old Testament. Genesis’ fourth
and fifth chapters provide exact lists of Adam and Eve’s
descendants, which provides the stereotypical “who begat whom”
business the Bible is famous for. Chapter 10 of Genesis provides
32 lines of Noah’s descendants, known as the “Table of Nations.”
At the end of the Book of Ruth, Ruth’s child Obed’s lineage is
provided, which stretches back to Pharez, the son of Judah — who
in turn was the son of Isaac and the grandson of Abraham. A
similar genealogy is provided for King Saul in 1 Samuel 9:1.
So, the idea of ethnocentric purity reverberates throughout the
Old Testament, with the rare exceptions being explicitly stated
(such as with Ruth as well as with Judah’s coupling with his
daughter in-law, the Canaanite Tamar). Most of the time,
however, God punishes Jews who venture among the gentiles,
swiftly and mercilessly.
...
Christians can resort to all sorts of syllogisms to dispel the
throbbing ethnocentrism found in the cruel and authoritative Old
Testament. And dispel they must if they wish their religions to
be as ecumenical in deed as in word, because if there is
anything the Old Testament isn’t, it’s ecumenical.
Unfortunately, this resolution opens a loophole which the
globalist enemies of Christians — and of white people — are
quick to exploit. It is the very ecumenical nature of the New
Testament which provides the justification, or holy decree,
behind the racial integration and mass immigration which is
currently threatening the West’s white populations.[/quote]
The Old Testament is Judaic. It is the New Testament which is
Christian and hence the enemy of "whiteness" (and Jewishness).
You can be "white" (including Jewish) or you can be Christian.
You cannot be both.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: guest55 Date: April 10, 2022, 9:38 pm
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[quote]Morris van de Camp’s excellent essay “A Bit of the Good
Book — From an Ethnonationalist Perspective” reminded me of
something that I have always known about the Old Testament: It
is a tribalist manifesto.[/quote]
I never thought I'd see the day an ethno-tribalist stated it so
openly and plainly....
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: rp Date: April 11, 2022, 12:17 am
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Orthodox cleric Patriarch Kirill is likely a KGB agent:
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/feb/12/1
Russian Patriarch 'was KGB spy'
[quote]A secret Soviet-era document uncovered in Estonia
suggests that Patriarch Alexy II, the head of the Russian
Orthodox Church and spiritual leader of tens of millions of
Christians, was a fully fledged KGB agent.
Accusations that Alexy, elected Patriarch in 1990, co-operated
closely with the KGB under the code name 'Drozdov' (Thrush),
have circulated since a parliamentary commission was allowed a
brief peek at secret police files in Moscow in 1991.
But the Estonian text is the first publicly available document
to support the theory that Alexy was more than a mere
collaborator and that from 1958 he was an active agent, using
the KGB as a career ladder at a time when the secret police
persecuted organised religion.
New Russian war chief will bring more brutality in Ukraine, US
warns
The Russian Orthodox Church claims the document is a forgery but
has made no attempt to disprove its authenticity. The Patriarch
has made no comment.
'As far as I understand, what's being said is that someone,
somewhere, brought out into the open some kind of paper carrying
neither the Patriarch's signature nor reliable information that
he had any kind of involvement in this sort of activity,' said a
Church spokesman, Father Vsevolod Chaplin.
Yet the evidence, in the 1958 annual report of the Estonian
branch of the KGB, which was left behind in Tallinn when the
Soviet authorities pulled out of the newly independent country
in 1991, is compelling.
The report, seen by the Guardian, consists of a stack of
yellowing typewritten pages bound together as a book, which
carries the legend 'Top Secret Ekz. No. 2 Series K' and the
title `Summary of operational intelligence work by the 4th
department of the KGB in the Council of Ministers of the
Estonian SSR in 1958'.
On page 125 is a short account of the recruitment, in that year,
of a young Orthodox priest given the codename 'Drozdov'. The
agent is not named, but key characteristics coincide with
Alexy's life.
Like the Patriarch, Drozdov was born in Tallinn in 1929, spoke
fluent Russian and Estonian, was a doctor of theology and was
serving as an Orthodox priest in Estonia in 1958.
Drozdov, who impressed the KGB with his eagerness, discretion
and lively, forthcoming manner, began his career as an agent by
providing information on a corrupt priest at a church in the
small town of Jyhvi.
The Patriarch was the rector of the Church of the Epiphany in
Jyhvi from 1950 until 1957. By 1961 he had become the bishop of
Tallinn and Estonia aged only 32. The 1958 KGB report on Drozdov
said his promotion to this post was 'considered' during his
recruitment.
In the same year that he became a bishop, Alexy's rapid rise
within the World Council of Churches began - the very course the
KGB planned for Drozdov.
Indrek Jurjo, the Estonian historian who investigated the KGB
report, said: `It must be him. It's very close. There were very
few priests of the Orthodox Church here at that time. The
description, the age, the plan for him to become a bishop - it
fits.'
The report describes Drozdov as agreeing to work for the KGB on
patriotic grounds. 'He's described here as an agent,' said Mr
Jurjo. 'That means he had a KGB officer who he met with
regularly in clandestine locations and who interrogated him. He
would also have written reports.' Drozdov's reports, along with
the KGB annual summaries after 1958, were taken to Moscow in
1991. After the 1991 putsch, President Boris Yeltsin gave a
Russian parliamentary commission carte blanche to probe into
some of the darkest secrets of the KGB, only to withdraw it a
few months later under pressure from the secret police and other
powerful figures.
Father Gleb Yakunin, an Orthodox priest and former MP who
searched through KGB files, said he found several references to
Drozdov. To his regret, he made no copies, and never found the
card-index in which the codenames of agents were matched with
their true identities.
One reference in the report from October 1969 reads: 'Agents
Drozdov and Peresvyet travelled to England as part of the
delegation to the Conference of European Churches.' Father Gleb,
who was imprisoned in Soviet times for his opposition to state
interference in the Church, said the Patriarch must lead the
clergy in mass repentance.
'To co-operate with a state which sets as its aim the
destruction of religion is a great sin, and a betrayal of
Christianity,' he said.
The Patriarch is highly influential: the Kremlin values his
support, and Alexy is close to at least one of Boris Yeltsin's
likely successors, Moscow's mayor, Yuri Luzhkov.
In Russia only one small newspaper, the weekly Novaya Gazeta,
has reported the Estonian find. A freelance television
journalist, Boris Sobolyev, who travelled to Tallinn to film the
story, has been unable to find a Russian news programme willing
to air it.
Father Chaplin said: 'In recent times many anonymous photocopies
of all sorts of pieces of paper have been circulated. In none of
them is there the slightest evidence that the individuals we are
talking about knew that these documents were being drawn up, or
gave their consent. So I don't think any reasonably
authoritative clerical or secular commission could see these
papers as proof of anything.'[/quote]
What does it say about Russian "religion" that you literally
have a former member of one of the most murderous organizations
in the world as your figurehead? More importantly, what does it
say about the authenticity of Russian religion itself?
Of course, it goes without saying we would oppose the Orthodox
Church even if it were following the authentic (i.e. non
intelligence agency infilitrated) version of Orthodoxy.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: rp Date: April 11, 2022, 9:29 pm
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Orthodox Church demonstrates traditionalist violence:
HTML https://youtu.be/uxE--jAIiQ8
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