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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: September 2, 2021, 11:41 am
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Some information about left-leaning trends in mainstream
Christianity.
In particular, I've heard many Methodists and Seventh-day
Adventists to this day are vegetarian/vegan.
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> Various Church leaders have recommended vegetarianism,
including John Wesley (founder of the Methodist Church), William
and Catherine Booth (founders of The Salvation Army), William
Cowherd from the Bible Christian Church and Ellen G. White from
the Seventh-day Adventists.[7][8][9][10] Cowherd, who founded
the Bible Christian Church in 1809, helped to establish the
world's first Vegetarian Society in 1847.[11]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism
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> An estimated 35% of Adventists practice vegetarianism or
veganism, according to a 2002 worldwide survey of local church
leaders.[56][57]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church#Health_and_diet
Why aren't all Christians vegans? Oh yeah, the usual suspect:
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> Vegetarianism appears to have been a point of contention
within some early Christian circles, notably in Rome. Within the
Bible's New Testament, the Apostle Paul states that people of
"weak faith" "eat only vegetables",[Romans 14:1–4]
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism#New_Testament_2
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> In the 4th Century some Jewish Christian groups maintained
that Jesus was himself a vegetarian. Epiphanius quotes the
Gospel of the Ebionites where Jesus has a confrontation with the
high priest. Jesus chastises the leadership saying, "I am come
to end the sacrifices and feasts of blood; and if ye cease not
offering and eating of flesh and blood, the wrath of God shall
not cease from you; even as it came to your fathers in the
wilderness, who lusted for flesh, and did sate to their content,
and were filled with rottenness, and the plague consumed
them."[53]
>
> According to Lightfoot, "the Christianized Essennes […]
condemned the slaughter of victims on grounds very different
from those alleged in the Epistle of Hebrews, not because they
have been superseded by the Atonement, but because they are in
their very nature repulsive to God; not because they have ceased
to be right, but because they never were right from the
beginning".[32]
>
> Other early Christian historical documents observe that many
influential Christians during the formative centuries of
Christianity were vegetarian, though certainly not all. The
Clementine homilies, a second-century work purportedly based on
the teachings of the Apostle Peter, states, "The unnatural
eating of flesh meats is as polluting as the heathen worship of
devils, with its sacrifices and its impure feasts, through
participation in it a man becomes a fellow eater with
devils."[54][citation needed] While the Didascalia does not
itself endorse vegetarianism, it records a group of individuals
who believe they "should not eat flesh, and said that a man must
not eat anything that has a soul in it."[55]
>
> Although early Christian vegetarianism appears to have been
downplayed in favor of more "modern" Christian culture, the
practice of vegetarianism appears to have been very widespread
in early Christianity, both in the leadership and among the
laity.[3] Origen's work Contra Celsum quotes Celsus commenting
vegetarian practices among Christians he had contact with.[56]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_vegetarianism#Early_Christianity
Here's 90sRetroFan in a previous life:
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> According to Harper's New Monthly Magazine, toward the end of
his career he was present when an itinerant missionary was
exhorting an open-air congregation in Mansfield, Ohio. The
sermon was long and severe on the topic of extravagance, because
the pioneers were buying such indulgences as calico and imported
tea. "Where now is there a man who, like the primitive
Christians, is traveling to heaven barefooted and clad in coarse
raiment?" the preacher repeatedly asked until Johnny Appleseed,
his endurance worn out, walked up to the preacher, put his bare
foot on the stump that had served as a podium, and said, "Here's
your primitive Christian!" The flummoxed sermonizer dismissed
the congregation.[11]
> [...]
> He preached the gospel as he traveled, and during his travels
he converted many Native Americans, whom he admired. The Native
Americans regarded him as someone who had been touched by the
Great Spirit, and even hostile tribes left him strictly
alone.[13]
>
> He cared very deeply about animals, including insects. Henry
Howe visited all the counties in Ohio in the early nineteenth
century and collected several stories from the 1830s, when
Johnny Appleseed was still alive:[14]
>
> One cool autumnal night, while lying by his camp-fire in the
woods, he observed that the mosquitoes flew in the blaze and
were burned. Johnny, who wore on his head a tin utensil which
answered both as a cap and a mush pot, filled it with water and
quenched the fire, and afterwards remarked, "God forbid that I
should build a fire for my comfort, that should be the means of
destroying any of His creatures." Another time, he allegedly
made a camp-fire in a snowstorm at the end of a hollow log in
which he intended to pass the night but found it occupied by a
bear and cubs, so he removed his fire to the other end and slept
on the snow in the open air, rather than disturb the bear.
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Appleseed#Life
Johnny Appleseed was a Swedenborgian, and so was socialist Helen
Keller. Religion was an important part of her writing. This is
notable since she was most politically active during the first
decades of the 1900s, therefore opposing the False Left
socialists who supported the anti-religious policies of the
Bolsheviks.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Keller#Political_activities
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> Early missionaries also traveled to parts of Africa.
Swedenborg believed that the "African race" was "in greater
enlightenment than others on this earth, since they are such
that they think more 'interiorly', and so receive truths and
acknowledge them."[8] African enlightenment was considered a
liberal concept at the time, and Swedenborgians accepted freed
African converts in their homes as early as 1790. Several
Swedenborgians were also abolitionists.[9]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Church_(Swedenborgian)
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> The Pew Research Center’s latest polls released Tuesday reveal
a reality that is sure to shock many: a majority of Christians
in the United States support LGBTQ acceptance in our society.
>
> That’s right, 54 percent of all American Christians as of 2014
believe that sexual and gender minorities should be accepted and
normalized in American society.
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HTML https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christians-lgbt_b_8479686
Although:
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> None of America's 100 largest churches are LGBT-affirming and
almost all of them are led by white men, according to
ChurchClarity.org, an organization that reports churches' LGBT
policies and rates congregations based on their level of
clarity.
>
> Just one of the U.S.'s largest churches has a female pastor
and 93 percent of the churches are led by a white pastor,
according to the site, which collected data from churches and
represents over 1.1 million Evangelicals in America.
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HTML https://www.newsweek.com/americas-100-largest-churches-are-anti-lgbt-and-led-white-men-773017
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_denominations_affirming_LGBT_people
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Other articles of interest:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_socialism
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_left
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 14, 2021, 10:37 pm
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HTML https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/13/woke-church-of-england-bishops-urge-govt-not-turn-back-illegal-migrant-boats/
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> Twelve bishops at the increasingly woke Church of England have
penned an open letter to the government urging them not to turn
back illegal migrant boats coming from safe, EU member-state
France, published by the leftist Guardian.
>
> The 12 senior clergymen, who described themselves as “bishops
within the Church of England with a particular oversight of
asylum and refugee issues” — a focus that comes amid the
institution currently experiencing a collapse in church
attendance and belief — said they were “deeply concerned about
the government’s approach to migrant crossings of the Channel.”
>
> The Bishop of Bristol, Bishop of Chelmsford, Bishop of
Croydon, Bishop of Bradwell, Bishop of Dover, Bishop of Durham,
Bishop of Gloucester, Bishop of London, Bishop of Manchester,
Bishop of Southwark, Bishop of Wakefield, and the Right Reverend
David Hamid, Suffragan Bishop in Europe, claimed that the “new
‘turn back’ policy, which will see boats forcibly returned to
France… raises significant moral concerns,” arguing it “starkly
increases the risks at sea and endangers the lives of those
attempting the crossing.”
> ...
> The woke bishops also alleged in their letter that the
Nationality and Borders Bill the government is putting before
Parliament “would criminalise not only attempts to cross the
border irregularly” — i.e. illegally — “nor even simply
people-smuggling, but even those who take part in the rescue of
boats in distress at sea.”
>
> They claimed that “This would require those who see asylum
seekers at risk to choose between ignoring a moral imperative
(also established in maritime law) to assist them, or to risk
prosecution and imprisonment,” arguing that this was the
equivalent to “criminalisation of the Good Samaritan who did not
pass by on the other side, and an affront to justice to put the
saving of lives under any sort of legal penalty.”
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In short, rightists want to preserve Western civilization by
killing Christianity. This reveals the fundamental
incompatibility of the two. On this I am in academic agreement
with our New Right enemies:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/social-decolonization/msg8242/#msg8242
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: guest55
Date: September 16, 2021, 11:33 am
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Escaping Jehovah's Witnesses: Inside the dangerous world of a
brutal religion
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> Former Jehovah's Witnesses are fighting back against a
religion that failed them. They know they'll lose their loved
ones for doing so.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDwHdj7plWo
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/?message=8693
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: guest55
Date: September 25, 2021, 6:20 pm
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How Conservatives Co-Opted Christianity
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> If you live in the United States, odds are you've encountered
the distinctly American "conservative christian." It seems that
these people, despite their fierce devotion to their faith, have
no idea what the Bible actually calls them to do. In this
episode, we're taking a look at how christianity was adopted and
perverted by the American political Right, and how it differs
from the christianity of the early church.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmPMcWAuuVo
Conservative Pharisees co-opted Christianity over 2000 years ago
creating Judeo-Christianity.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: October 6, 2021, 1:58 pm
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Judeo-Christian anti-vegetarianism 2000 years later:
HTML https://i.redd.it/xiqc3cfqdzo71.jpg
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> “When you go to your favorite fast food restaurant, you are
going to be eating a fake hamburger,” Wiles said. “You’re going
to go to the grocery store and buy a pound of fake hamburger or
a fake steak, and you won’t know that it was grown in some big
corporation’s laboratory. This is the nightmare world that they
are taking us into. They’re changing God’s creation. Why?
Because they want to be God.”
>
> “God is an environmentalist,” Wiles continued. “He takes this
very seriously. He created this planet, he created the universe
and he’s watching these Luciferians destroy this planet, destroy
the animal kingdom, destroy the plant kingdom, change human DNA.
Why? They want to change human DNA so that you can’t be born
again. That’s where they’re going with this, to change the DNA
of humans so it will be impossible for a human to be born again.
They want to create a race of soulless creatures on this
planet.”
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HTML https://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/rick-wiles-plant-based-meat-alternatives-are-a-satanic-plot-to-create-a-race-of-soulless-creatures/
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: October 6, 2021, 2:44 pm
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XD
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: October 6, 2021, 6:58 pm
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Little did he know, that veggie burgers actually ARE a
Luciferian plot. The catch is that his hamburgers are satanic
;)
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: guest55
Date: October 7, 2021, 7:41 pm
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Lost Christianities
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> All modern Christian sects are descended from the early
"proto-Orthodox" Christians who successfully defined their
doctrines and practices as correct. John Hamer of Toronto
Centre Place reviews the many early Christianities that lost
out, including Jewish Christians who argued for the continued
relevance of Mosaic Law and Gnostic Christians who rejected the
Hebrew Bible altogether.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwR0_vt28uU
(Have not listened to this myself yet...).
How can one be considered a "Christian" if they are following
Jewish laws? Even the New Testament tells you this is wrong in
Matthew 6:24 "No man can serve two masters: for either he will
hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the
one, and despise the other, Ye cannot serve God and mammon.".
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 7, 2021, 9:28 pm
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Cawthorn surely did not get the memo:
HTML https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/5/2056056/-Rep-Madison-Cawthorn-posts-clip-calling-for-holy-war-Twitter-mocks-him
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> he referenced his botched knowledge of religion to call on
Christians to declare a holy war.
>
> “Look back at the Old Testament. Look at David, look at
Daniel, look at Esther, look at all of these people who
influenced the governments of their day to uphold Christian
principles.
> ...
> The most noteworthy aspect of his clip is his references to
religious scriptures. I mean, even one who isn’t Christian knows
that no one in the Old Testament was fighting to uphold
Christian principles. Christ wasn’t even born at the time of the
Old Testament—which is based on the Hebrew Bible, or the Torah.
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Whenever rightists say "Christian principles", they mean Judaic
principles.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 10, 2021, 9:41 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt66XrmAbDo
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