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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 25, 2023, 10:42 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/watch-texas-democrat-leave-republicans-161826585.html<br
/>(video at link)
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> Watch This Texas Democrat Leave Republicans Speechless When He
Uses The Bible Against Them
> ...
> This past summer, Texas Republicans tried to pass Senate Bill
1515, which would have required the Ten Commandments to be
displayed prominently in every public school classroom in the
state. The bill was an attempt by conservative Christian
Republicans to inject religion into schools, but Talarico wasn’t
going to take this lying down. Instead, he used their religious
text against them.
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More precisely, he uses the New Testament against the Old
Testament. It is unfortunate that the mainstream article does
not spell this out.
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> Talarico then brings up that this bill seems to go against
Republicans’ desire to get parental consent for everything.
“Every time on this committee that we try to teach students
values like empathy or kindness, we’re told we can’t because
that’s the parent’s role,” he said. “Every time on this
committee that we try to teach basic sex education to keep our
kids safe, we’re told that’s the parent’s role, but now you’re
putting religious commandments — literal commandments — in our
classroom, and you’re saying that’s the state’s role. Why is
that not the parent’s role?”
>
> This question left Nobel silent and searching for words before
finally saying, “That’s really an interesting rabbit trail that
you’ve gone on with that.”
>
> Later, Talarico asks Nobel, “Do you believe schools are for
education and not indoctrination?” to which Nobel answers,
“Absolutely.” Then Talarico brings his arguments home, saying,
“I guess what I’m trying to figure out is why is having a
rainbow in a classroom is indoctrination and not having the Ten
Commandments in a classroom.”
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 25, 2023, 12:48 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/houston-chronicle-compares-people-crossing-162253723.html
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> A stinging Christmas opinion issued by the editorial board of
the Houston Chronicle newspaper asks Texas’s hard-right
Republican leader: “How would governor Greg Abbott treat Mary
and Joseph at the border?”
>
> The leading media outlet in the Democratic-voting city
published an editorial article on Christmas Eve and posted on X,
formerly known as Twitter, on Christmas Day protesting at the
red state’s latest crackdown on people seeking refuge by
crossing the US-Mexico border without authorization.
> ...
> The headline of the Houston Chronicle’s piece alludes to the
nativity and says: “Two thousand years ago, a young family
became refugees.” Monday’s tweet mentions the recent law passed
in the state that gives all Texas police sweeping powers to
arrest people alleged to have entered the US illegally, as well
as empowering local judges to order their expulsion back across
the US-Mexico border.
>
> The editorial article says: “Like Joseph and Mary and their
child, more than 100 million people around the world are
estimated to have been displaced this year, many of them on the
move this very night. Refugees and migrants, they are fleeing
persecution, grinding poverty, war and unspeakable violence.”
>
> The newspaper talks about migration issues in Europe, Africa
and the Middle East, as well as the United States, Central and
South America.
>
> “It is not America’s alone to face but we would like to
believe, still, even in this polarized state, that America is
one of the nations most equipped, most obligated and most
resolved to meet the challenge,” the article said.
> ...
> The pointed editorial finishes with: “The Christmas story we
tell, the story the infant Jesus grew up to tell, counsels
sympathy toward the less fortunate, compassion for those in
need, kindness toward strangers.”
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 30, 2023, 8:22 pm
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Interviewee accidentally figures out Yahweh (whom the
interviewer calls "God") is not the same as the God taught by
the person on her cross:
HTML https://twitter.com/ClownWorld_/status/1740217068455346392<br
/>(video at link)
For reference:
HTML https://jameslhutton.com/2019/08/05/jesus-ate-with-tax-collectors-prostitutes-other-sinners-we-can-too/
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> A woman who is a sinner comes to Jesus. He does not forbid her
to do so.
> ...
> Simon is alarmed, and comes to the conclusion that Jesus isn’t
a prophet. He couldn’t be one. He “…would have perceived who and
what kind of woman this is who touches him, that she is a
sinner” (Luke 7:39).
>
> The implication of such a thought is that being touched by a
sinner is a problem for the righteous. A real prophet would have
kept himself from interacting with such a woman in that way.
Maybe the Pharisees thought that when a sinner touches a
righteous person it causes him or her to be unclean. There is no
indication that Jesus held to such a teaching.
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So no, Jesus definitely would not mind the interviewee wearing a
cross.
The interviewer, like Simon, is thinking Judaically:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism_and_sexuality#Pornography
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> pornography is prohibited by halakhic laws surrounding ****,
with which it over goes hand-in-hand. Not only is the viewing of
pornographic content forbidden by these laws, but so is the
production of pornographic content. The Kitzur Shulchan Arukh
prohibits the spilling of seed, thus forbidding that a man
engage in sexual intercourse without the intention to conceive.
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From a Gnostic (and hence authentically Christian) perspective,
preventing conception is the key to defeating Yahweh. So to the
extent that the content produced by the interviewee
stochastically reduces interest in reproductive sex among her
viewers, it is indeed Yahweh, not God, who more dislikes it.
Additional information:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_pornography#Judaism
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> This is further codified in the Code of Jewish Law,[59] which
includes further prohibitions (based on the Talmud) such as
"watching women as they do the laundry."
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So, for the record, Judaism is anti-gravure as well.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: January 2, 2024, 1:56 am
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Re: Identitarian movement
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: January 18, 2024, 12:39 am
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> Contrary to what one has heard from the pulpit or on Christian
radio, the Bible supports racial preservation and even
separation. The Bible teaches that mankind is composed not of an
amorphous mass of individuals but of nations. It also teaches
that the basis of all genuine nations is a common ethnic stock,
which is more important even than a common language, culture,
political allegiance, or locale. The Bible praises homogeneity
as a blessing, and posits it as the basis of love, friendship,
social peace, and national harmony. The Bible also sanctions
love of nation and fatherland, a virtue antagonistic to
indiscriminate and large-scale immigration.
>
> According to the famous “Table of Nations” in Genesis 10, God
organized mankind into discrete nations in the aftermath of the
Great Flood. He created three sets of nations, each set
descending from one of the three sons of Noah: Fourteen nations
from Japheth; 30 from Ham; and 26 from Shem. After listing the
progenitors of each of the nations that sprang from Shem,
Genesis uses a formula closely repeated for Ham and Japheth,
“These are the sons of Shem, according to their families,
according to their languages, by their lands, according to their
nations” (Gen. 10:31). The Genesis account of the dispersal of
the nations concludes, “These are the families of the sons of
Noah, according to their genealogies, by their nations; and out
of these the nations were separated on the earth after the
flood” (Gen. 10:32). These passages make clear that the
essential constituent element of each nation is common ancestry,
together with a “land” and a distinctive language. This is God’s
creation, with no indication that it is anything other than
entirely in accord with His will.
>
> Genesis describes the areas in which these different nations
settled in terms of migration patterns that conform to a broad
division of races. For centuries there was universal agreement
in Christendom that the Europeans were descended from Japheth,
the Semites (Jews, Persians, Syrians, Arabs, and Asians) from
Shem, and the Africans (including Egyptians and Canaanites) from
Ham. However literally or figuratively one chooses to interpret
this account, Genesis clearly divides the peoples of the earth
into groups of related but racially distinct peoples.
>
> Modern Biblical commentators and Christian leaders have tried
to deny the obvious by insisting that the division of nations is
not providential but accidental. They believe God intended the
nations to be all as one (i.e. to cease being distinct nations).
Therefore, they urge Christians to do all they can to restore
mankind’s lost unity by tearing down national boundaries,
promoting mass immigration, teaching English as a universal
language, and intermarrying freely with members of other racial
families.
>
> This interpretation suffers from several flaws. First, if God
intended mankind to be as one, why did He create many nations in
the first place? Second, it is contradicted by the order of the
Genesis narrative. The Table of Nations comes before the story
of the Tower of Babel, indicating that God’s ordering and
separating of the nations was part of His plan from the
beginning. The sons of Noah refused to follow God’s clear
mandate to separate and fill the earth. Instead, they gathered
together, founded a city, and built a huge tower as a symbol of
their power and independence. However, God’s sovereign purpose
cannot be frustrated by the designs of men: “The Lord confused
the language of all the earth; and from there the Lord scattered
them abroad over the face of all the earth” (Gen. 11:9).
>
> The scattering was neither arbitrary nor chaotic. According to
the Biblical account, people moved with their nations in an
orderly exodus that fulfilled God’s purpose. As we learn in
Deuteronomy, God gave each nation or people its own lands and
separated these lands by territorial boundaries: “When the Most
High gave the nations their inheritance, when He separated the
sons of man, He set the boundaries of the people” (Deuteronomy
32:8).
>
> The third flaw of the modernist interpretation of Genesis 10
and 11 — and from a Christian perspective the most dangerous —
is that it repeats the sin of the people who built the Tower of
Babel. The modern desire for global unity, amalgamation of
peoples, destruction of territorial boundaries, English as a
universal language, and construction of a world government is
difficult to see as anything other than a sinful desire to
rebuild the Tower of Babel and create an autonomous humanistic
order independent of God. It is a rebellious project that defies
God’s plan for world order based on discrete nations each
residing within its own lands.
>
> Fourth, the project for global unity sullies the beauty and
diversity of God’s human creation, in that it suggests that the
existence of different races, which vary markedly in physical
appearance, is a mistake that man is to remedy by racial
intermarriage. In this warped version of creation, God is the
bungler and man the redeemer.
>
> ...
>
> The New Testament
>
> The New Testament reaffirms the national and ethnic
distinctions of the Old Testament, if anything, in stronger and
clearer terms. Unlike Hebrew, the Greek in which the New
Testament was written does have a word for mankind, anthropon;
however, it is used infrequently and never suggests the
elimination of the national or racial divisions of mankind. Luke
wrote that God “made from one [Adam] every nation [ethnos] of
mankind [anthropon] to live on all the face of the earth, having
determined their appointed times, and the boundaries of their
habitation” (Acts 17:26). Christ himself commanded his disciples
to go and “make disciples of all the nations [ethna]” (Matthew
28:19).
>
> Paul — though often cited in Christian attacks on race and
nationality — both in his writings and personal loyalties
clearly supports the view that nationality is based on a common
ethnic origin. To begin with, one can well ask to what nation
did Paul belong, and on what basis? He was born a Roman citizen
in the province of Cilicia in Asia Minor. He spoke both Hebrew
and Greek fluently. Religiously, he was not only Jewish but a
Pharisee. He converted to Christianity. In answer to our
questions about his nationality, the modern Christian could
offer four possible answers: Paul was a Cilician (place of
birth); he was a Roman (citizenship); he was a Greek (language);
he was a Jew but became a Christian (religion).
>
> According to Paul himself, all four answers would be wrong,
for Paul on numerous occasions, after he became a Christian,
identified himself as belonging to the Jewish nation on the
basis of birth and heritage — not merely a Jew but of a
particular tribe. He was, he claimed, “of the nation of Israel,
of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews” (Philippians
3:5). When he wrote to the Romans in the city of Rome, he did
not claim to be Roman (except by citizenship) but Jewish: “I too
am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of
Benjamin” (Romans 11:1). He referred to the Israelites as his
“brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh, who are
Israelites” (Romans 9:3, 4). He also referred to the Roman
Christians as his “brethren” (Romans 11:25), but he is clearly
speaking in a spiritual sense.
>
> Thus, Paul made a distinction between his ethnic nation
(Israel) and his spiritual nation (the Christians). Far from the
latter superseding or abolishing the former, as most modern
Christian leaders would claim, Paul affirms and honors both as
an integral part of his identity. He hoped that more of his
ethnic kinsmen would come to accept Christ as the Son of God:
“Brethren [Roman Christians], my heart’s desire and my prayer to
God for them [Israel] is for their salvation” (Romans 10:1
NKJV). He also expressed confidence that God will not “reject
His people,” meaning the Jews (Romans 11:1).
>
> Paul uses the Greek word laos (a people) to refer to both an
ethnic people, as in the people of Israel, and a spiritual
people, as in the people of God. Paul’s use of that word in both
contexts proves that ethnicity is not rendered obsolete or
illegitimate by coming to Christ.
>
> Paul’s ethnic identification is consistent with everything we
know about the ancients, whether Greek, Roman, German, Celt, or
Semite. They understood a nation to be a people of a common
ancestry or race. The Roman Empire was not a nation, nor did any
ancient author consider it to be a nation. They understood it to
be an empire made up of many nations.
>
> Intermarriage
>
> The Bible endorses ethnic homogeneity as a positive good that
contributes to peace, harmony, and happiness, whether it be in
marriage, friendship, or society. The Hebrews were forbidden,
first by their patriarchs and later by God Himself, to marry the
sons and daughters of the peoples of the land God had promised
them. Abraham made his chief servant swear not to search for a
wife for his son Isaac “from the daughters of the Canaanites
[Hamites], among whom I live; but you will go to my country and
to my relatives [descendants of Shem], and take a wife for my
son Isaac” (Gen. 24:3,4).
>
> When Jacob and his family (sons, daughters, and
grandchildren), 70 persons in all, went to Egypt to dwell in the
land of Goshen under the protection of Pharaoh, only one son,
Simeon, had a Canaanite wife in addition to a Hebrew wife
(Genesis 46:8-26). Thus, out of all the grandchildren of Jacob,
only one was part Hamitic. Upon their return to the Promised
Land some 400 years later, Moses forbade the children of Israel
to intermarry with the Canaanites, whose land they were
preparing to invade and occupy (Exodus 34:12-16; Deuteronomy
7:3).
>
> ...
>
> The Book of Revelations provides clear evidence for the
eternal destiny and indestructibility of the nations. In the New
Jerusalem (Heaven), “the nations [ethne] shall walk by its light
. . . and they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations
[ethnon] into it” (Rev. 21:24, 26). Furthermore, John revealed
that the leaves of the Tree of Life in the midst of Paradise
“were for the healing of the nations [ethnon]” (Rev. 22:2).
These passages are impossible to understand without recourse to
a doctrine of Christian ethnic nationalism.
>
> Moreover, it is only recently that the churches of the West
have claimed that ethnic and racial nationalism are in conflict
with Christianity. The great Protestant reformer John Calvin
affirmed the necessity and goodness of the national division of
mankind: “Just as there are in a military camp separate lines
for each platoon and section, men are placed on the earth so
that each nation may be content with its own boundaries.” In
this manner, “God, by his providence reduces to order that which
is confused” (Quoted in William J. Bouwsma, John Calvin: A
Sixteenth Century Portrait; New York: Oxford University Press,
1988, p. 35).
>
> Of the major Christian churches, only the Eastern Orthodox
Church seems to have retained an understanding of the legitimate
and necessary place of the nation in the life of the individual
Christian. In a recent document, the bishops of the Russian
Orthodox Church affirm both the universality and particularity
of every Christian: “The universal nature of the Church,
however, does not mean that Christians should have no right to
national identity and national self-expressions.” Rather, they
urge Christians to develop “national Christian cultures.”
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Source :
Posted on April 1, 2018 The Christian Doctrine of Nations H.A.
Scott Trask, American Renaissance, July 2001
HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2018/04/christian-doctrine-racism-identity-bible/
Dr. H. A. Scott Trask is an American historian, a writer, a
Protestant, and an Anglo-Celt.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 18, 2024, 1:15 am
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg12216/#msg12216
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: races
Date: January 19, 2024, 12:58 am
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It's not possible to create a racial homogenous country in
countries were multiple different races live. Therefore it's a
duty for the leaders of said countries to unite the people under
a nationalist ideal that is able to transcend racial divisions.
It takes strength to carry this out though, one must be immune
to the criticisms of the masses to do this. That's why democracy
doesn't work in countries where many different races live,
politicians in democracy's only focus on pleasing the masses.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: races
Date: January 19, 2024, 1:09 am
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Maybe it was the case in the old universe that all races must
live separate in their own places, but in the new universe that
is being created all will be one in the light of God.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 21, 2024, 3:38 pm
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Hope:
HTML https://rmx.news/article/germanys-catholic-church-facing-major-crises-and-conflict-with-vatican-says-afd-party-members-arent-welcome/
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> The chairman of the German Bishops’ Conference (DBK), Georg
Bätzing, who also serves as bishop of Limburg, said that
membership in the Alternative for Germany (AfD) party is not
compatible with volunteer work or holding office in the Catholic
Church.
--- End Quote ---
This is correct!
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> "Unfortunately, the danger of ethnic-nationalist and
right-wing extremist thinking also exists among Catholics,” he
said.
>
> Germany’s Catholic Church is increasingly getting political,
with bishops from Berlin, Erfurt, Hamburg, Magdeburg, Dresden,
and Görlitz penning a letter warning against the AfD coming to
power
> ...
> The Catholic Church in Germany is not the only Christian
branch that has gone “woke.” Nearly all Christian organizations
now feature a variety of pro-migration and anti-conservative
stances, and nearly all are hemorrhaging members.
> ...
> It is also important to note that there is an entire area of
the country where Christianity holds little sway already. The
east of Germany, which was once ruled by communists, is
remarkably less Christian than the former West Germany. This may
in part account for the east’s willingness to back the AfD party
> ...
> As this map from 2011 shows, the east has by and large
abandoned religion, with the vast majority listing their
religion as “none” or “other,” which includes the non-religious.
>
> [img width=1280
height=720]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FCNLniBWQAI2pfo?format=jpg&name=4096x4096[/img]
>
> As Pew notes in a study comparing both East and West Germans,
there are extreme differences between the two parts of the
country: “Six-in-ten adults in former West Germany say religion
is very or somewhat important in their lives, whereas an
identical share of those in former East Germany say religion is
not too or not at all important. This includes 45 percent of
those in the former East who say religion is not at all
important in their lives.”
>
> East Germans also have stronger anti-immigration stances, and
with Christian organizers pushing for radical open borders and
an easier path to citizenship, many easterners see this
messaging as failing to resonate or openly against their
interests.
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For once things are at least the correct way round!
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/afd/
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: March 7, 2024, 10:22 pm
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Origin of Capitalism Rightist Economic Worldview
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> Abraham writes that Weber came to these views in conscious
opposition to Werner Sombart’s contemporaneous book, The Jews
and Modern Capitalism (1913), where he had argued that Jews were
the major promoters of a modern nation-less capitalism. Kalberg
appears to be in agreement with Abraham in writing that Weber
“saw the capitalism of the Jews as a form of the speculative
capitalism that had existed universally” (2002: xxiii).
Nevertheless, it seems to me that Weber did detect in Judaism a
rationalistic disposition as well as a “this-worldly” attitude
to the world that had strong affinities with Protestantism. As
Love reminds us, Weber wrote in the Protestant Ethic that
Puritanism inherited the “perfectly unemotional wisdom of the
Hebrews” which had seen “the rational suppression of the
mystical…side of religion.” Weber also observed that Old
Testament morality, despite its traditional basis in ethics,
“was able to give a powerful impetus to that spirit of
self-righteous and sober legality which was so characteristic of
the worldly asceticism of….Protestantism” (in Love 2000b:
200).13 He included Judaism – together with the theoretical
rationality of Catholic theology and the Protestant rediscovery
of the original Judaic ethic – in his grand theory of Western
rationalization. It was ultimately Protestantism that promoted
the modern spirit of capitalism, but this should not lead us to
conclude that Weber did not also attribute a very important
(early) role to Judaism.
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Source :
The Uniqueness of Western Civilization Ricardo Duchesne page 259
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