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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 24, 2023, 8:11 pm
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As I have said from the beginning, the Amish are Old Testament
followers just like the rest:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/experts-explain-complicated-relationship-between-144500758.html
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> Experts explain complicated relationship between Amish
communities and the environment: ‘It really isn’t [idyllic] at
all’
> ...
> The post linked an article from Religion News that explored
this relationship, citing certain harmful farming practices and
dirty energy usage that seem to fly in the face of the
perception of the environmental stewardship of these
communities.
> ...
> “They believe that God gave the Earth to people for them to
use,” McConnell told Religion News
> ...
> diesel and gasoline generators often serve as prime energy
sources for Amish appliances and farm equipment. Burning either
fuel significantly contributes to air pollution that worsens air
quality and drives the overheating of our planet.
>
> Religion News reports that the few remaining Amish households
headed by farmers often use harmful pesticides and chemical
fertilizers that wreak havoc on local ecosystems and pollute
waterways. The Amish have been under fire in several states for
farming practices that degrade vital watersheds.
> ...
> “A lot of people from the cities where I’m from look at the
Amish and think, ‘What an idyllic sustainable lifestyle, so
different from our modern one,” the original poster wrote.
“Except it really isn’t [idyllic] at all, it’s a largely
separate insular economy from ours, but uses and benefits from a
lot of the short term extractivist and careless land practices
that has got modern America into the mess its in today.”
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See also:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/to-the-people-of-atlantis/comment-page-1/#comment-65057
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> The Amish stress strict obedience in their children, and this
is taught and enforced by parents and preachers. Several
passages in the Bible are used to support this view. Their
children, as with all children, may resist a parent’s request.
However, things such as tantrums, making faces, calling another
bad names, and general disobedience are rare because the child
knows that those actions will result in corporal punishment. Any
youthful dissatisfactions are usually verbally expressed, but
profanity is never allowed because the guilty child can expect
swift punishment.
>
>
HTML http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish_way_of_life#Child_discipline
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Indeed, one look at the high sexual dimorphism of their clothes
suffices to reveal their inferiority:
HTML https://blog.geveo.com/img/hf_1_2021_06_16.jpg
Woke comments:
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> They are immoral weirdos that abuse the environment and kids.
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> They make excuses and exceptions to technology so they can
benefit from it, they use horrible chemicals on their farms. All
they are doing is making the average person believe they are
somehow different in order to drive up sales of overpriced
goods.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: rp
Date: July 15, 2023, 5:14 am
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 10, 2023, 9:45 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-163440579.html
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> Christianity Today Editor: Evangelicals Call Jesus “Liberal”
and “Weak”
> ...
> “When we get to the point where the teachings of Jesus himself
are seen as subversive to us, then we’re in a crisis.”
>
> Moore said he thinks a large part of the issue is how divisive
U.S. politics are, which is now spilling over into the church.
He pointed to how a lot of issues are “packaged in terms of
existential threat,” leading to the belief among everyone, not
just evangelical Christians, that “desperate times call for
desperate measures.”
>
> It makes sense, then, that evangelical Christians would
embrace Trump, who portrayed himself as the answer to many of
those supposed existential threats. Trump both campaigned and
governed on a largely evangelical Christian platform. He moved
the U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem; he cracked down on
immigration from majority-Muslim countries; and he appointed
multiple conservative judges, including to the Supreme Court,
which has swung sharply right.
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From the comments:
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> So the right is really not "Christian." So what does that
really make them?
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Old Testament followers.
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> It's ironic. If Jesus was actually around today, he'd be
called socialist, woke, liberal, extreme, etc... The very figure
that Christianity is supposed to be built on would be vilified
by Christians.
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Because they are not Christians. They are Old Testament
followers.
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> They've never believed in the teachings of Jesus. They've just
parlayed religion into big business, power and wealth.
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Which is what the Old Testament teaches.
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> Conservative "Christians" will crucify Jesus again when he
returns to Earth
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Just like the Old Testament followers crucifed him the first
time.
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> It's no news that the evangelicals would be the first to nail
Jesus to a cross. They hate everything that he actually taught.
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Just like those Old Testament followers who crucified him the
first time.
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> "Christian"/// Nah - they're following the AntiChrist...
--- End Quote ---
The Antichrist is the Messiah foretold in the Old Testament.
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> These people would make Jesus throw up in disgust. They are
the opposite of everything Jesus stood for.
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So were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua,
Samuel, David, Solomon, etc..
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> I left the evangelical religion of my youth 50 years ago, when
I left home for college. Even then, many of the parishioners
were bigoted and mean-spirited. Even then, most of the sermons
dealt with (in this order):
>
> 1) Battles and violence from the Old Testament.
>
> 2) The writings of Paul
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This.
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Western Degenerate Sport
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: August 18, 2023, 12:15 am
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About muscular sport :
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> The word gymnastics is derived from the Greek word gymnazein
which literally means "to exercise naked".[3] In ancient Greece
and Rome, a public place devoted to athletes training, called
gymnasion (plural: gymnasia) for Greeks and palaestra (plural:
palaestrae) for Romans existed in cities. Fitness was regarded
as a concept shaped by two cultural codes: rationalization and
asceticism; authenticity and hedonism, respectively. In Greece,
gymnastic excellence was regarded as a noble and godly pursuit,
and was included in a complete education.
>
> ...
>
> From [b]around 1800, gymnastics developed in Western countries
was meant to enhance body in order to sustain public morals and
to mold better citizens.[5][/b] Pehr Henrik Ling was a pioneer
in the teaching of physical education in Sweden, and he sought
to reform and improve the gymnastics of the ancient Greeks. In
1850, the Supreme Medical Board of Russia reported to their
emperor on Ling's system, that by improving one's overall
fitness, an athlete became superior to those who merely focused
on a subset of muscles or actions.[4] In the mid 19th century
the world saw the rise of physical culture, a movement that
emphasized the importance of physical exercise for men, women,
and children alike. Diocletian Lewis, a physician, even
advocated for males and females exercising together in the
gym.[6] In 1896 Men's gymnastics was on the schedule of the
first modern Olympics. The Olympic gymnastic competition for
women began in 1928.[3]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitness_culture
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 18, 2023, 7:11 pm
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity
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> The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era as a
method of building character in pupils at English public
schools. It is most often associated with English author Thomas
Hughes and his 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, as well as
writers Charles Kingsley and Ralph Connor.[1] American President
Theodore Roosevelt was raised in a household that practised
Muscular Christianity and was a prominent adherent to the
movement.[2]
> ...
> Muscular Christianity can be traced back to Paul the Apostle,
who used athletic metaphors to describe the challenges of a
Christian life.[9]
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To be fair, however, gymnastics is not specifically mentioned
anywhere in this link (whereas your 'Fitness culture' link does
not mention Muscular Christianity at all). If anything, football
is considered to be most associated with Muscular Christianity:
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> An early pioneers of Muscular Christianity in the US was Amos
Alonzo Stagg, a Yale-educated football coach
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> Sports were incorporated directly into many mission schools to
promote muscular Christianity, as administrators and
missionaries believed sports such as football shared many of the
same values.[38] The effect mission schools like Adams College
in South Africa had was seen through the demographics of
football players
--- End Quote ---
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> It was the establishment of Western-style schools across the
continent that brought about Muscular Christianity along with
the introduction of European football teams.
--- End Quote ---
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> Missionary schools were among the first to incorporate
football into their programs, to make sure every student was
playing.
--- End Quote ---
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> Christianity and association football – followers of Muscular
Christianity established several of England's leading football
teams
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So why are you ignoring football and bringing up gymnastics
instead??
(At least gymnastics isn't played on grass:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7795/#msg7795<br
/>)
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: rp
Date: August 18, 2023, 9:10 pm
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Are your talking about "American" Football or European Football
(soccer) or both?
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 18, 2023, 9:23 pm
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Both, plus rugby.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: August 18, 2023, 9:51 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muscular_Christianity
>
> [quote]The movement came into vogue during the Victorian era
as a method of building character in pupils at English public
schools. It is most often associated with English author Thomas
Hughes and his 1857 novel Tom Brown's School Days, as well as
writers Charles Kingsley and Ralph Connor.[1] American President
Theodore Roosevelt was raised in a household that practised
Muscular Christianity and was a prominent adherent to the
movement.[2]
> ...
> Muscular Christianity can be traced back to Paul the Apostle,
who used athletic metaphors to describe the challenges of a
Christian life.[9]
--- End Quote ---
To be fair, however, gymnastics is not specifically mentioned
anywhere in this link (whereas your 'Fitness culture' link does
not mention Muscular Christianity at all). If anything, football
is considered to be most associated with Muscular Christianity:
--- Quote ---
> An early pioneers of Muscular Christianity in the US was Amos
Alonzo Stagg, a Yale-educated football coach
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Sports were incorporated directly into many mission schools to
promote muscular Christianity, as administrators and
missionaries believed sports such as football shared many of the
same values.[38] The effect mission schools like Adams College
in South Africa had was seen through the demographics of
football players
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> It was the establishment of Western-style schools across the
continent that brought about Muscular Christianity along with
the introduction of European football teams.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Missionary schools were among the first to incorporate
football into their programs, to make sure every student was
playing.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> Christianity and association football – followers of Muscular
Christianity established several of England's leading football
teams
--- End Quote ---
So why are you ignoring football and bringing up gymnastics
instead??
(At least gymnastics isn't played on grass:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/olympics/msg7795/#msg7795<br
/>)
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Because football can be played without using grass field. And
different from muscular sports, football can be played with
cheap price and not resulting moral degeneration into
aggressiveness. Turanized sports like gymnazein and muscle
bodybuilding are inferior than football which can be
de-westernized on playing it. Remember Eugene Sandow...
#Post#: 21569--------------------------------------------------
Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 18, 2023, 10:12 pm
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The grass is just a side point. The main point is that you
started out criticizing Muscular Christianity, which is
associated with football, not with gymnastics, yet you brought
up gymnastics for no apparent reason. You can criticize
gymnastics separately, but it makes no sense to blame Muscular
Christianity for it, given gymnastics predates Muscular
Christianity.
"Turanized sports like gymnazein"
Are you referring to the pommel horse event? Let's eliminate all
sports involving real horses before we worry about that!
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: August 19, 2023, 12:04 am
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> "Turanized sports like gymnazein"
>
> Are you referring to the pommel horse event? Let's eliminate
all sports involving real horses before we worry about that!
>
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Of course, including body-building too which you consider
reduces people's empathy and increases people's aggressiveness.
Remember the Jew, Eugene Sandow. All kinds of sports that
resulting useless competition activities which divide society
must be eliminated. I prefer Hitler's ordinary walking sport
which involves no competition at all. Even Hitler was not having
muscle and not did do body-building activity
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