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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 18, 2022, 8:37 pm
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I repeat, the Orthodox Church is the problem:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/image-besieged-victimized-russia-came-124816887.html
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> For centuries, Russia has often been derided as overly, if not
pathologically, paranoid: always suspicious of outsiders while
harboring plans of conquest.
> ...
> Russia’s rendering of itself as a geopolitical fortress
coincided with the development of its identity as a bastion of
Christianity.
>
> In the 16th century under Ivan “the Terrible,” the ruling
elite of Muscovy, as the land of Russia was known then,
propagated the idea of it being the Third Rome: the
God-ordained, sole home of true Christianity.
>
> The two previous capitals of Christianity – the Rome of the
Vatican and the Rome of Constantinople as the capital of the
Byzantine Empire – could no longer aspire to such status. After
all, the first was under control of schismatics – as Orthodox
Christians would view Catholics – while the second had been
occupied by the Ottoman Turks since the city’s fall in 1453.
That left Russia as the only place where a pure form of
Christianity could reside.
--- End Quote ---
In reality, of course, the Orthodox Church was a destroyer of
true Christianity:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatise_Against_the_Bogomils
and guess how they did it:
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> Cosmas purposefully employed around 70 quotations from Apostle
Paul to debunk the beliefs of Bogomils
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg12216/#msg12216
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 20, 2022, 3:37 am
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Welby is talking about the real God, not Yahweh:
HTML https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61130841
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> UK's Rwanda asylum plan the 'opposite of nature of God' -
Welby
> ...
> Speaking at Canterbury Cathedral on Easter Sunday, Mr Welby
said there were "serious ethical questions about sending asylum
seekers overseas".
>
> He added: "The details are for politics and politicians. The
principle must stand the judgment of God, and it cannot.
>
> "...And it cannot carry the weight of our national
responsibility as a country formed by Christian values; because
sub-contracting out our responsibilities, even to a country that
seeks to do well like Rwanda, is the opposite of the nature of
God, who himself took responsibility for our failures."
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 30, 2022, 8:32 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/christians-loathe-neighbor-while-love-160000496.html
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> Greene’s ire was stirred by the idea of Catholic bishops
rendering aid to undocumented immigrants on the Southern border.
“Oh, we have to love these people and take care of these
migrants,” she says in a mocking singsong. “Yes, we’re supposed
to love one another, but their definition of what ‘love one
another’ means means destroying our laws. . . . The true meaning
of loving one another . . . means that you also have to uphold
the law.”
>
> It’s a bizarre exegesis supported by no Bible. To the
contrary, Greene’s take invalidates generations of Christian
activism, thousands of believers — Martin Luther King is only
the most prominent — arrested in every cause from racial
equality to climate change to nuclear arms to the death penalty.
Further, it ignores that the very founder of the faith was a
refugee who was later executed — spoiler alert: it didn’t stick
— for supposedly breaking the law.
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Racists will always be racists, but what we can do is get them
to admit that racism is incompatible with Christianity:
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> Author Eddy Harris once described a conversation with a white
woman in Mississippi whose mother belonged to a whites-only
church in the 1960s. The older woman was asked whether Jesus
would have allowed African Americans to worship in his church.
“Of course he would have,” she said, “but Jesus would have been
wrong.”
--- End Quote ---
This 1960s racist is at least better than Greene who tries to
claim that Jesus would endorse her.
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: guest55
Date: May 19, 2022, 10:47 pm
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The Hebrew Bible also tells Judeo-Christian Palestinians in
Jewish occupied Palestine to also forgive, this has worked out
for Palestinians about as well as "forgiveness" and "tolerance"
has worked out for "blacks" in the Western colonized world.
"Forgiveness" is what cowards do for themselves so they don't
have to be bothered by uncomfortable emotions...
'The Bible tells us to forgive': Church deacon says Buffalo
shooting victim would forgive gunman
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> CNN’s Brian Todd is in Buffalo, New York, where the
investigation continues into the mass shooting at Tops grocery
store. Todd speaks to a man who attended church with shooting
victim Hayward Patterson, and hears from the son of slain
security guard Aaron Salter, Jr. Then, legal analyst Carrie
Cordero joins CNN’s Jake Tapper to discuss New York’s red flag
laws and why they didn’t help keep the guns away from the
18-year-old accused domestic terrorist. #CNN #News
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyJaYmKoJ3s
Why is it when occupiers\colonialists and tyrants preach
"forgiveness" many of the oppressed embrace it fully with their
hearts and minds?
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 20, 2022, 10:03 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-endorsed-her-now-she-195809007.html
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> Trump Endorsed Her. Now She Wants to Use State Power to
‘Crush’ the Left and Impose ‘God’s Moral Order’
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God is a leftist. She wants to impose Yahweh's order.
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> Jacky Eubanks is running for the Michigan legislature with a
“wholehearted” endorsement from Donald Trump who calls her “an
America First Patriot.”
> ...
> Her agenda?
>
> Banning contraception, gay marriage and imposing the
“Christian moral order” on the nation.
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Not only does homophobia come exclusively from the Old Testament
(hence Judaism, not Christianity) as we have pointed out over
and over again, but so does anti-contraception:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_contraception
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> Among traditional interpretations of the Torah, active
prevention of pregnancy is in violation of the commandment "be
fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28). Some Rabbinic
authorities[who?] further consider the possibility (generally
not accepted) that a union that by definition cannot lead to
pregnancy would amount to "spilling seed", the sin of Onan (
Genesis 38:9–10).
> ...
> Contraceptive measures that lead to male sterility, are not
ever permitted for their interfering with a man's obligation,
only ever being permitted in life-threatening circumstances for
the man such as some forms of cancer. For example, a crushed or
mangled man may not be permitted to marry anyone but a convert
under Jewish law, and halachic authorities see vasectomy as a
form of maiming, even if already married to a non-convert
becoming maimed intentionally or accidentally including a
vasectomy does obligate divorce unless a successful repair
surgery is performed and sperm flow is returned (based on
Deuteronomy 23:2).[1]
> ...
> In the Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Issurei (21:18)–which is part of
the Maimonides' Law Code from the medieval period–it is stated
that expending semen for no purpose is forbidden as a man holds
the sole responsibility in the act of procreation. Because the
commandant for this duty rests on the man, any form of male
contraception or sterilization is prohibited by Traditional
Jewish Law.[5]
--- End Quote ---
Back to first link:
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> Voris then drilled down on contraception, specifically, asking
Eubanks if she would use her vote in the Michigan statehouse to
make it illegal. “We have a declining population. We have an
underpopulation problem. All of this could be avoided if we were
a truly pro-life nation,” Eubanks said.
--- End Quote ---
No further comment necessary. But she also looks like what we
would expect:
HTML https://bluewaterhealthyliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Jacky-Eubanks-still.jpg
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 3, 2022, 10:29 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/felt-crying-anti-gay-commencement-150240193.html
--- Quote ---
> MARION, Ohio — Public outrage ensued following a Friday
graduation ceremony in Ohio where an alumni speaker condemned
homosexual relationships in his commencement speech.
>
> Jim McGuire encouraged the graduates of River Valley High
School to pursue the "Biblical principles" of only romantic
relationships between a man and a woman.
>
> After opening his speech by encouraging the graduates of the
public school in Ohio's Marion County to spend time "learning
God's word," McGuire made the following comment about
relationships:
>
> "Choose a spouse, I suggest. I also strongly suggest to make
sure to choose Biblical principles, you know, a male with a
female and female with a male," he said.
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He also looks like what we would expect an Old Testament fan to
look like (ie. more like Orban than like Jesus):
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/BukwOPnL_DJmDnQlxzcj0Q--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTcwNTtoPTQ3MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/SX_ttmgpsAqtHtJ6lC5XYg--~B/aD0xMDUzO3c9MTU3OTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/usa_today_news_641/4aa17b3ca7740bd5213750cb5be2456e[/img]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/right-left-(judeo-)christian-divergence/msg2115/?topicseen#msg2115
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 4, 2022, 8:14 pm
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More of the same:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX5yv6EE-2s
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 6, 2022, 8:38 pm
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In contrast, New Testament followers behave like this:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/osu-catholic-church-help-fill-110056996.html
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> Kluver said the Afghans began arriving in Stillwater in
December 2021, and the last arrived this past April. He said the
refugees largely have been embraced by the Stillwater community,
particularly in recent weeks as OSU's partnership — and
subsequent funding — has ended with Catholic Charities of
Eastern Oklahoma's resettlement program.
>
> "They are our neighbors," he said of the refugees.
>
> That neighborly connection became a critical factor as the
university's contract with Catholic Charities came to an end in
early May. Kluver said fortunately by then, St. Francis Xavier
Catholic Church had set up a fund to meet the refugees' ongoing
needs.
>
> "Our goal is that nobody falls through the cracks," Kluver
said.
>
> Deacon Kevin Sartorius is chief executive officer of Catholic
Charities-Eastern Oklahoma. He said his agency is asked to
complete a core resettlement checklist with each refugee in
their resettlement program in a 90-day window. Core resettlement
includes things like helping refugees obtain jobs, housing and
driver's licenses.
>
> Sartorius said sometimes those matters are not completed
within the 90-day window of a standard resettlement contract.
However, another community agency typically helps move the
refugees forward in the resettlement process after the initial
90 days. Sartorius said that agency in Tulsa is the YWCA, which
stepped in to help refugees in Tulsa became established. This
aid could last up to five years, if necessary.
> ...
> Sartorius said there was never any real danger that the
refugees in Stillwater would be left with no aid. He said Kluver
and OSU have been great from the start. Plus, he said they have
hired a Catholic Charities case manager who had been working
with the refugees and the fund from St. Francis Xavier will help
pay her salary. This helps ensure that the families will
continue working with one of the resettlement program staff
members they are familiar with.
>
> "It's a little bit outside the normal operations, but we're
trying to be creative in making it all work, as opposed to
walking away," Sartorius said.
>
> He said his agency is still involved with the Afghan refugees,
with a focus on helping them get through the process of
obtaining asylum status from the U.S. government.
>
> The Rev. Brian O'Brien, pastor of St. Francis Xavier, said his
church didn't hesitate to answer the call for help when the
congregation learned Afghan refugees would be resettling in
Stillwater. Church members who wished to help were matched with
refugee families, and the volunteers have cultivated friendships
with Afghans.
> ...
> To donate to the St. Francis Xavier Catholic Church fund
benefiting the Oklahoma State University CARES (Compassionate
Afghan Resettlement and English Services program, call
405-372-6886 or go to
HTML https://www.sfxstillwater.org/.
For more
information about OSU CARES, go to
HTML https://global.okstate.edu/afghan-project/.
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Thank you for your good work!
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 7, 2022, 7:54 pm
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And straight back to Old Testament followers (ignore Uyghur):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4w_kvNUIiqM
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 10, 2022, 12:02 am
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Lieu has finally spotted what this topic has been emphasizing:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-ted-lieu-recites-jesus-230512656.html
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> Rep. Ted Lieu (D, CA-33) made headlines on Wednesday for
standing in silence after announcing he would share what Jesus
had to say about homosexuality.
> ...
> The congressman proceeded to stand in silence for over 20
seconds, appearing to send a strong message that Jesus had
nothing to say on the matter.
>
> After a stretch of time, he concluded, “I yield back,” before
leaving the stage.
>
> The speech has garnered much attention, making headlines for
several news outlets and prompting hundreds of responses from
Twitter users.
--- End Quote ---
Some of the comments show the beginnings of replicating this
topic:
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> [quote]How does Lieu perceive the passage about "go forth and
multiply"? Something it takes a man and a woman to achieve.
Also in Leviticus it admonishes against homosexuality. I wonder
if he has ever actually read the Bible.
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Correct me if Im wrong but in Leviticus it isnt Jesus who is
admonishing homosexuality. If so, then Lieu's point still
stands.[/quote]
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> [quote]Mr. Lieu seems to be an intelligent person but he seems
to Not to understand or know what the Bible says about this
topic.
> The Bible is the written Word of God. It is the Voice of God.
The Word says "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was
God. And the Word was Made Flesh. When Mary Received the Word of
God brought to her by the Angel Gabriel, with the help of the
Holy Spirit, Mary became pregnant with who would be Jesus.
> Jesus Is the Word Made Flesh. If Mr. Lieu wants to know what
Jesus has to say, Look into the Word of God (the Bible).
> On homosexuality, see Romans 1:20-30. Also Genesis 19:1-30 and
1 Corinthians 6:9-12. These are the Words of God, The Word Made
Flesh. These are the Words of Jesus that Mr. Lieu could Not
find.
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No, those are the words of Paul and some ancient
Hebrews.[/quote]
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> [quote]What about the Old Testament?
--- End Quote ---
Pretty sure Jesus wasn't in the Old Testament.[/quote]
This topic has succeeded! Judeo-Christianity will henceforth
surely separate into its fundamentally incompatible constituent
components Judaism and (Gnostic) Christianity. This will set up
the battle between the Antichrist (a.k.a. Jewish Messiah) and
the Second Coming of Jesus.
The Orthodox Church will definitely be supporting the
Antichrist. I do not mean only the Russian Orthodox Church, I
mean the Orthodox Church in general:
HTML https://russia-insider.com/en/ukrainian-priest-cleanses-street-holy-water-after-lgbt-parade-odessa/ri24876
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> A priest of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church went through the
city center of Odessa, blessing the street with Holy Water
following a LGBT pride parade, reports Odessa Media.
>
> Fr. Oleg Mokryak, the head of the Odessa Diocese Missionary
Department, went along Seaside Boulevard with parishioners
dousing the road, people, and monuments with Holy Water.
>
> He explained as he went that he was cleansing the boulevard,
after the sexual deviancy parade had defiled the street.
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