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Re: Simple living movements
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 2, 2021, 10:24 pm
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"Western narrative of "go to college so you can get a good job
and buy consumer products"."
I would not call that Western, but rather consumerist. What I
would call the true Western narrative is: "Go to college so you
can do machine research to get our descendants expanding into
outer space." What is truly Western is always concerned with
Yahwism rather than mere consumption.
Consumerism is a way to channel internal non-Yahwists to
externally support Yahwism, as in: "Go to college so you can get
a good job to support other people's machine research to get our
descendants expanding into outer space, and you yourself can buy
consumer products as an immediate bonus."
The reason this distinction is vital is because our enemies also
oppose consumerism, but from the right, meaning they want to
society to abandon consumerism (which they accurately label as
non-Western) and get back to the true Western attitude. In our
eyes, however, the path our enemies promote would be even worse
than society merely remaining consumerist (though this too is
bad enough!).
"people file pointless paperwork all day to make a billionaire
richer. What's the purpose in that?"
If that billionaire happens to be:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/elon-musk/
then it has plenty of purpose according to Yahweh:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
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Re: Simple living movements
By: guest55 Date: September 7, 2021, 4:34 pm
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How people with strong herder blood do simple living:
Went homeless. Done Guerrilla Grazing by choice ever since
[quote]Aaron Fletcher has grazed his sheep and lived off the
land as a traveling shepherd for 12 years. He calls it guerrilla
grazing (a step above guerrilla gardening, he says) and he lets
his sheep graze - with permission- public parks and side lots.
Homeless by choice, he offers his services to small farms in
exchange for food or a place to stay (though half his calories
come from his sheeps’ milk).
With a tiny metal cart home pulled by his sheep, he has a bed, a
refrigerator/evaporative cooler, a shower (he uses a pesticide
sprayer to pump up the water pressure), power (solar panel), sun
oven, a mailbox stove for heat, bicycle tire wheels and a
corrugated plastic roof.
Fletcher makes cheese and butter from his sheep milk and forages
for seeds, fruits, vegetables and herbs. He’s created a map for
foragers in his region. He makes some money with his scythe
business - cutting noxious weeds for locals -, but he insists
he’s not interested in making money and just hopes to serve as
an example for other homeless interested in guerrilla
grazing.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U54HRmglYEA
Why does he need sheep, that's the part I don't understand?
Seems completely unnecessary?
[quote][s]Fletcher makes cheese and butter from his sheep
milk[/s] and forages for seeds, fruits, vegetables and
herbs.[/quote]
Oat milk tastes way better than any milk derived from an animal
and it seems many agree. He could just do away with the sheep
and buy oat milk on occasion, probably lasts a lot longer than
sheep milk too I would imagine.
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Re: Simple living movements
By: guest55 Date: September 21, 2021, 8:31 pm
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Inside America's LARGEST HIPPIE COMMUNE
[quote]The Rainbow Family of Living Light is a worldwide
countercultural movement of hippies, living by the Native
American prophesy that one day, when the Earth is dying, a
family of different colors, creeds, and backgrounds will come
together in the name of restoring peace and harmony between each
other and between humanity and the Earth. To learn more about
the movement, we visited their temporary commune in the forest
where they gathered this year in Wisconsin to pray for peace,
and work together to create a temporary city in the
forest.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk06_QMuH_4
I remember Hitler saying something about how only idiots live in
the forest....
Top comment to the above video:
[quote]I lived (short term) with a Rainbow Family in Oregon
years ago and it was an awful experience. Rape was abundant
(consent in general, was just not taught or upheld - not just
with sex, but other things as well). A few people stole another
person's dog, killed it and ate it (and this was not an isolated
event - I heard about this A LOT, regarding other people's pets,
mostly dogs). There were some good qualities, sure - but the
bad MAJORLY outweighed the good. A lot of them are also REALLY
bad at littering, not digging deep enough holes to shit in, etc.
Just an awful mess, all around. They don't really care for the
earth. They just trash it. Most of them are pretentious, white
kids running away from their lives.[/quote]
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Re: Simple living movements
By: Zea_mays Date: October 6, 2021, 1:17 pm
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The global labor movement has a name and its own Wikipedia
article now:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Resignation
Time will tell if they embrace simple living and find a new way
to labor, or if they sell out and go back to the grind...
This is why China needs to promote its counterculture movements
like the Lying Flat movement, instead of Westernizing by
outlawing non-masculine men or whatever the hell they're
doing... They could be gaining massive ground promoting both
non-Western cultural elements and an autocratic socialist
government/economic system to all the hundreds of millions of
Westerners who have no hope in the Western system...
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Re: Simple living movements
By: Zea_mays Date: October 6, 2021, 2:12 pm
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What young people in nations with Western economic systems have
to look forward to after having their youth wasted in the
Western education system:
[quote]Is life really just working a 40 hour work week to savor
a precious weekend over and over again until you die?
I just turned 18, and from my understanding, being an adult
means: working a meaningless and grueling job 5 days a week to
have enough money to pay for livable accommodations, while
having little to no time for relationships, hobbies, or really
anything that makes life worth living. And the weekend is just
two days of stress trying to get as much done as possible
because you don't have time during the week.
Is it like this for everyone? Is there a way to NOT have to do
this? What's the point?
EDIT: I should add that I'm NOT someone that would rather party
every day and engage in grossly hedonistic alternatives. I don't
want a massive house/s. I don't want a brand-new sports car/s. I
don't want 10 wives. I just want to live with someone I love and
spend as much time with them as possible while furthering my
knowledge and pursuing art. That's all.[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/pnle9x/is_life_really_just_working_a_40_hour_work_week/
The solution: the Lying Flat Movement!
Or, homesteading as a subsistence farmer, living in an
intentional community (which would probably make a living by
subsistence farming), live cheaply in a low-cost-of-living area
and get by on part time work (which seems to be the core of
Lying Flat), or find some really rare job that is useful to
society and respects their employees.
Or turn on, tune in, drop out and live in a van like a hippie.
(I imagine living in a van would actually save more fuel than
being forced to commute back and forth to a conventional job!)
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/vandwellers/
[quote]Like every great religion, we seek to find the divinity
within and to express this revelation in a life of glorification
and the worship of God. These ancient goals we define in the
metaphor of the present—turn on, tune in, drop out.[3]
"Turn on" meant go within to activate your neural and genetic
equipment. Become sensitive to the many and various levels of
consciousness and the specific triggers engaging them. Drugs
were one way to accomplish this end. "Tune in" meant interact
harmoniously with the world around you—externalize, materialize,
express your new internal perspectives. "Drop out" suggested an
active, selective, graceful process of detachment from
involuntary or unconscious commitments. "Drop Out" meant
self-reliance, a discovery of one's singularity, a commitment to
mobility, choice, and change. Unhappily, my explanations of this
sequence of personal development are often misinterpreted to
mean "Get stoned and abandon all constructive
activity".[4][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on%2C_tune_in%2C_drop_out#History_of_the_phrase
Unfortunately, the person who posted this thread was exposed to
hunter-gatherer "romanticism" and not any of the other stuff!
[quote]Honestly? I'd rather be a hunter/gatherer or live off the
land off grid and be with the ones I love than work constantly
just to be a part of modern society and NOT have time with the
ones I love.[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/pnle9x/is_life_really_just_working_a_40_hour_work_week/hcqhrli/
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Even ancient Rome was able to exist on far fewer hours than
laborers today are forced to waste:
[quote]Jérôme Carcopino states in his book Daily life in Ancient
Rome (p. 184) that
If one bears in mind that the "hour" at the winter solstice
equalled forty-five minutes according to our reckoning and
seventy-five minutes at the summer solstice, these data bring
the Roman working day down to about seven hours in summer and
less than six in winter. Summer and winter alike, Roman workmen
enjoyed freedom during the whole or the greater part of the
afternoon, and very probably our forty-hour week with its
different arrangement would have weighed heavily on them rather
than pleased them.
However, Prof. Donald Wasson in his article
@
HTML http://www.ancient.eu/article/637/
reports that
For the affluent the day was divided between business and
leisure. Of course, business was only conducted in the morning.
Most Romans worked a six hour day, beginning at dawn and ending
at noon, although, occasionally some shops might reopen in the
early evening. The city’s forum would be empty because the
afternoon was devoted to leisure - attending the games
(gladiatorial competitions, chariot races, or wrestling), the
theater or the baths - all of which were also enjoyed by the
poor (as many in government felt the need for the poor to be
entertained). Even during times of crises, the citizens of Rome
were kept happy with bread and games.[/quote]
HTML https://www.quora.com/How-many-hours-did-the-average-Roman-laborer-not-slave-work-in-a-week/answer/Marco-Buccini
Surely they'd rather live like that than a hunter-gatherer.
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Re: Simple living movements
By: guest55 Date: October 7, 2021, 11:13 pm
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[quote]Is life really just working a 40 hour work week to savor
a precious weekend over and over again until you die?
I just turned 18, and from my understanding, being an adult
means: working a meaningless and grueling job 5 days a week to
have enough money to pay for livable accommodations, while
having little to no time for relationships, hobbies, or really
anything that makes life worth living. [/quote]
Just started watching Undone on Netflix and the first episode is
about the very same sentiments expressed in the quote from
Zea-mays post.
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Re: Simple living movements
By: guest55 Date: October 14, 2021, 10:48 am
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Why Americans Are Quitting Jobs At Highest Rate in 20 Years
[quote]A new report is showing that a surprising number of
Americans quit their jobs in August.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VYiZ6Z9G3k
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Re: Simple living movements
By: guest55 Date: December 1, 2021, 4:10 pm
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Who can still afford to live in the city? | DW Documentary
[quote]In cities around the world, housing prices are
skyrocketing while incomes aren’t keeping pace. Housing is a
human right that is becoming increasingly evasive. A market gone
wild is putting the squeeze on tenants.
The documentary film sheds light on a new kind of faceless
landlord, our increasingly unlivable cities and an escalating
crisis that is impacting us all. This is not gentrification -
it’s a different kind of monster.
Across the globe, rental prices in cities are skyrocketing and
long-term tenants are being driven out of their apartments. The
film follows Leilani Farha, UN Special Rapporteur on Adequate
Housing from 2014 to 2020, as she travels the globe, trying to
understand who’s being pushed out of the city and why. Housing
is a human right, a precondition to a safe and healthy life. But
in a number of cities, having a place to live is becoming more
and more difficult. Farha’s investigation leads her to a social
housing project in the Swedish city of Uppsala, where several
thousand apartments abruptly changed hands; to the trendy London
district of Notting Hill, where many urban mansions are vacant;
to Berlin, the German capital; and to Valparaíso in Chile. She
also heads to the green hinterland of Seoul and the New York
district of Harlem, where one tenant’s rent has been raised from
2,400 to 3,500 dollars from one day to the next for his
70-square-meter home. Besides interviewing desperate tenants,
the journalist speaks with sociologist Saskia Sassen, economist
and Nobel Prize laureate Joseph Stiglitz, and writer Roberto
Saviano. They vividly explain how the transformation of the
housing market into capital assets that are traded like stocks
or commodities has culminated in a global social crisis within
just a few years. "I believe there’s a huge difference between
housing as a commodity and gold as a commodity. Gold is not a
human right, housing is," says Leilani Farha. That is why she
founded "The Shift," a global initiative that brings together
advocates, mayors and NGOs, to counter the unbridled
transformation of housing into financial assets.
#documentary #housing #dwdocumentary #freedocumentary [/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPloUxLWfB8
Also related:
Suburbs that don't Suck - Streetcar Suburbs (Riverdale, Toronto)
[quote]Car-dependent suburbs suck. But that doesn't mean that
all suburbs suck. It is possible to build suburbs that don't
suck, and the US and Canada used to design great suburbs all the
time. But even though these pre-war suburbs are loved by many
people, and in huge demand, they're illegal to build
today.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWsGBRdK2N0
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Re: Simple living movements
By: Zea_mays Date: January 25, 2022, 1:27 am
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There is now a Wikipedia article for Lying Flat. Not everyone in
the party rejects the movement:
[quote]However, there were official voices offering more
empathic opinions on the tang ping phenomenon. Beijing's
party-affiliated Guangming Daily newspaper added that tang ping
should not be discounted without reflection—if China wants to
cultivate diligence in the young generation, it should first try
to improve their quality of life.[11] Huang Ping, a literature
professor who researches youth culture at East China Normal
University, told Sixth Tone that official media outlets may be
concerned about the tang ping lifestyle because of its potential
to threaten productivity, but "humans aren't merely tools for
making things... when you can't catch up with society's
development—say, skyrocketing home prices—tang ping is actually
the most rational choice". [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_ping
Related Sinosphere cultural phenomena:
[quote]Buddha-like (Chinese: 佛系), or fo xi using
its Chinese pronunciation,[1][2] is a buzzword used in China to
describe young people who reject the rat race of the
contemporary workaholic Chinese society in favour of a tranquil,
apathetic life. The term is a neologism combination of two
Chinese characters: "fó" (Chinese: 佛), meaning "Buddha";
and "xì" (Chinese: 系), meaning "series" or "school".
Young people who uphold the Buddha-like mindset[3][4] are
referred to as Buddha-like youths (Chinese:
佛系青年)[4] or Generation Zen.[5][6][7]
The term originated in a 2014 issue of the Japanese women's
fashion magazine Non-no to refer to Japanese men who had
progressed from being herbivore men to being monk-like men who
consider it too exhausting to even bother interacting with women
and enjoy being by themselves. The term has been also applied to
numerous areas such as parenting, employment, online shopping,
fandom, dating and interpersonal relationships. Although the
word is inspired by the Buddhist doctrine of becoming
spiritually satisfied through giving up anything tied to
avarice, it is not a Buddhist principle.
The "Buddha-like" label is primarily adopted by young Chinese
men from the post-90s and post-00s generations referring to
their less-than-optimistic life outlook, although some post-80s
experiencing quarter life crises also admit subscribing to the
mindset. Stressed out by poor job prospects, decreased life
satisfaction, increasingly stagnant social mobility,
disappointing romantic life, familial complications of the
one-child policy and soaring housing prices, youths have adopted
the term to maintain their fortitude and as a backlash against
society's high expectations. For example, the adherents of
Buddha-like parenting would say that "there are not that many
kids who will really amount to much, so why give them an
exhausting childhood?"[1]
[...]
On 11 December 2017, a Chinese media company posted an article
titled "The first group of post-90s generation who have become
monks" (simplified Chinese:
第一批90后已经出फ
8;了;
traditional Chinese:
第一批90後已經出फ
8;了)
on its WeChat account Xin Shixiang (Chinese:
新世相), which had four million
followers.[8][14][15] The essay, which discussed Buddha-like
youth, went viral, in two days receiving over one million views
on WeChat and 60 million on Sina Weibo.[15] It was the first
time on Chinese platforms that the phrase "Buddha-like" became
viral[16] and led to the neologism's broad adoption in Chinese
society.[9] According to the scholar Jie Yang, the article was
widely read by millions of viewers in China who connected with
its message of living a Zen-like existence of being apathetic
towards both wins and losses in life to confront the increased
stress they feel from their community.[1]
[...]
The Buddha-like philosophy has been compared to the tang ping or
"lie down" (Chinese: 躺平) philosophy an author
introduced in 2021 in which the author had stopped working for
two years and stopped caring about consumption.[23]
[...]
Whereas the diaosi and sang subcultures cast the blame for
people's misfortune on extrinsic factors, the Buddha-like
philosophy casts the blame inwards, bemoaning themselves for
having physical and mental weaknesses and for being born in the
wrong era.[17] The Buddha-like mindset is more biased to action
and can be put more into practice in everyday life than the
diaosi and sang subcultures.[17] The Buddha-like philosophy is
to "don't fight, don't grab; let everything go" and urges
tranquility and is a "sweet-hearted" mentality.[17] On the other
hand, diaosi adherents have an "unwilling" mentality while sang
followers have a dispirited mentality.[17] Buddha-like youth
reject consumerism by saying, "I have the right not to consume,
I have the right not to follow the logic led by consumerism, and
I have the right not to pursue the materialism advocated by
consumerism."[17] It is a progression from the diaosi subculture
that covets the materialism of the wealthy and the sang
subculture that finds passing pleasure in purchasing
goods.[17][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddha-like_mindset
While the emerging Chinese counterculture has given youths
idealistic new outlooks on life to save their souls from
Western-style consumerism, other Sinosphere nations (and the US
with its Antiwork movement) still remain in a state of paralyzed
depression:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satori_generation
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampo_generation
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-po_generation
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_Joseon
China needs to capitalize on its cultural power and start
exporting its counterculture. The Cold War was not ended due to
sheer military or economic might alone. It was as much of a
battle of ideology, culture, and soul. Youths throughout the
world are longing for idealism and hope just as they started to
do in the 1950s-60s, and this time around the new counterculture
has started to emerge in China.
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Re: Simple living movements
By: Zea_mays Date: April 6, 2022, 9:12 pm
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More hunter-gatherer idolization from the Antiwork crowd. (They
reposted these images. I don't know what the Twitter user's
political views are):
[img width=1178
height=1280]
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[quote]Here are the data for two Machiguenga communities in
Peru, collected in '72-'73 (left) and '86-'87 (right). The
Machiguenga combined small-scale horticulture with foraging.
Again, "doing nothing" leads the pack, either as number one or
in the top 3.[/quote]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPgSvPGWYAQ-88G?format=png&name=small
[quote]"Doing nothing" didn't always win. For the Madurese
(Indonesia), it ranked 12th, perhaps reflecting the tiresome
lives of more full-time agriculturalists. Still, across 8
diverse communities "doing nothing" came in 4th behind agri
work, learning/teaching, & socializing (see plot)[/quote]
3 of the top 4 activities in this culture are social activities
(i.e. an agricultural society is conducive to socialism).
However, this culture isn't fully agricultural since hunting
ranks as the 5th most common activity...
Full Twitter thread:
HTML https://twitter.com/mnvrsngh/status/1510978995269029888
And a recent paper where he got the data from:
HTML https://www.pnas.org/doi/pdf/10.1073/pnas.1906196116
[quote]Communism with Neolithic characteristics[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/twamvj/the_protestant_work_ethic_is_stupid/i3egwqb/
...Sigh. Maybe one day they'll learn what the Neolithic is.
I do like the idea of "Socialism with Neolithic characteristics"
though:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/ancient-candidates-for-socialism/
As we've already seen, farmers had plenty of time to lie flat
during the non-harvest season:
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