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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: September 17, 2022, 3:22 pm
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Not doing any work today; I'll be (virtually) attending my
deceased family member's funeral.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: September 22, 2022, 7:20 pm
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OK, so all the text has been added to the document; I just have
to format and upload it.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: September 23, 2022, 9:40 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=802.msg15618#msg15618
date=1663103424]
We can now set aside this document. Next, please post the other
document (the non-Judaic content) so that I can see how it looks
so far.
[/quote]
Do you want me to include Iblis' story in the Jamia draft?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 23, 2022, 5:35 pm
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Include initially everything not presently in the Judaic
document. Then we can decide what to do next.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: Mujahid Date: February 3, 2023, 3:35 pm
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Operation Gaddafi, Anti-Racism & Anti-Zionism = based
Changing the Qur’an = kufr that would lead you in dangerous
alleys by the vigilantes.
The view of most Muslim scholars is that the “Jewish” Prophets
were actually Muslims and that everything bad they could have
done such as sins, tribalism, murder of innocents etc. were
attributed to them later by the rabbis to make them look more
“human” or to legalise what was forbidden.
Even Prophet Abraham wasn’t actually commanded to kill his son
by God but he actually misinterpreted his dream which was
actually about the covenant in the first place.
The sacrificial son was actually Ismael and not Isaac but the
Jews changed it out of tribalism to feel special.
The most tolerant Muslims treat women and people with gay
feelings with dignity but anal sex (as sex before marriage) is
still something to be discouraged even if we were to respect
people’s privacy as they lead to bad consequences.
Also Muslims differentiate between anti-Zionist Jews (like
Neturei Karta) and Jewish and Gentile Zionists although I
understand that as a precaution against infiltration it would be
better neither to marry them nor give them position of power…
but it seems that this website is ok with killing Jews in
general.
As you see we can still reject the evil in the Old Testament by
saying that the Jews corrupted the scriptures but Muslims would
rather die as martyrs than changing the Qur’an.
Salaam
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 3, 2023, 5:56 pm
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"Operation Gaddafi, Anti-Racism & Anti-Zionism = based"
"Based" is a rightist compliment. We are leftists. If you wish
to compliment us, use "woke".
"Changing the Qur’an = kufr that would lead you in dangerous
alleys by the vigilantes."
I know:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_view_of_the_Quran
[quote]Shia have been accused since at least the 10th century by
anti-Shia Sunni Muslims of espousing a theory that the
contemporary Quran differs from what was revealed to Muhammad
because it was (allegedly) edited to remove mention of the
importance of Ali — the Shia icon and first Shia Imam. The idea
that the Quran was distorted is regarded by these Sunnis as one
of the most blatant examples of Shia "heresy".[8][/quote]
Duty disregards danger:
[quote]Shia scholars who supported the view that the Qur'anic
text had been distorted were:
Shia author Ahmad ibn Muhammad al-Sayyari (9th century)[13]
Ali Ibn Ibrahim Qomi (d. 919)[16]
Al Ayyaashi (d. 932)[citation needed]
Muhammad ibn Ya'qub al-Kulayni (d. 941)[citation needed]
Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid (d. 1022) — spoke of the alteration which
occurred in the ordering of Quranic verses (ta'līf).[11]
Mohsen Fayz Kashani (d. 1680)[16]
Ni'matullah Al Jazaa'iri (d. 1701)[citation needed]
Muhammad Baqir Behbahani (d. 1791) — who wrote in
al-Fawā'id al-ḥā'iriyya: "It is clear from the
many akhbār that [corruption] occurred... Our position is
that it is permitted to act upon one of the famous seven
variants [of the Qur'ān]. The indicator for this position
is the statement, or rather the order, of the Imams that "You
must recite as the people recite until the day of the return of
the qā'im"."[17][misquoted]
Mirza Husain Noori Tabarsi (d. 1902)[citation needed]
Agha Bozorg Tehrani (d. 1970)[18][/quote]
"The view of most Muslim scholars is that the “Jewish” Prophets
were actually Muslims and that everything bad they could have
done such as sins, tribalism, murder of innocents etc. were
attributed to them later by the rabbis to make them look more
“human” or to legalise what was forbidden."
Yes, but if you claim that the Koranic description of these
prophets is accurate, how do you account for their bad behaviour
as described in the Koran?
"Even Prophet Abraham wasn’t actually commanded to kill his son
by God but he actually misinterpreted his dream which was
actually about the covenant in the first place.
The sacrificial son was actually Ismael and not Isaac but the
Jews changed it out of tribalism to feel special."
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
[quote]Eid al-Adha (Arabic: عيد
الأضحى, romanized:
ʿĪd al-ʾAḍḥā, lit. 'Feast
of the Sacrifice') or the Holiday of Sacrifice is the second and
the larger of the two main holidays celebrated in Islam (the
other being Eid al-Fitr). It honours the willingness of Abraham
(Ibrahim) to sacrifice his son Ishmael (Ismail) as an act of
obedience to God's command. Before Abraham could sacrifice his
son, however, God provided him with a lamb which he was supposed
to kill in his son's place because of his willingness to
sacrifice his own son in the name of God.
...
Acknowledging that Abraham was willing to sacrifice what is dear
to him, God honoured both Abraham and Ishmael. Angel Gabriel
(Jibreel) called Abraham, "O' Ibrahim, you have fulfilled the
revelations." and a lamb from heaven was offered by Angel
Gabriel to prophet Abraham to slaughter instead of Ishmael.
Muslims worldwide celebrate Eid al Adha to commemorate both the
devotion of Abraham and the survival of
Ishmael.[16][17][18][/quote]
Did this happen? If it did, then Abraham was behaving badly:
[quote]tribalism, murder of innocents[/quote]
so if you claim that:
[quote]everything bad they could have done such as sins,
tribalism, murder of innocents etc. were attributed to them
later by the rabbis to make them look more “human” or to
legalise what was forbidden.[/quote]
then you must admit that the rabbis altered the Koran.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: guest98 Date: February 4, 2023, 1:33 pm
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[quote]but Muslims would rather die as martyrs than changing the
Qur’an.
[/quote]
I think that the only way to bring a new purified Islam to the
masses of Muslims is by force and a superior wisdom. If any
judeo-"muslims" resist and cant let go of there attachment to
judeo-islam then they will have to be destroyed. If war is
necessary then fine, war can be a good purifying element.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: christianbethel Date: February 8, 2023, 5:26 pm
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@90sRetroFan Still working on the rough draft. I just haven't
had time to work on it as of late. Will provide updates ASAP.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: Mujahid Date: February 27, 2023, 5:29 pm
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I’m a Shia, I know what it’s like to hold a minority opinion and
won’t condemn you harshly for it, so that’s an interesting view…
Regarding the sacrificial lamb, well, I try to buy plant-based
products only, I would only eat halal meat if it’s offered to me
and if I’m sure it would go to waste otherwise.
Either way it would make more sense for you to just keep the
Surahs that don’t mention Jewish prophets then. Nobody would
recite a poem by skipping verses here and there.
I’m sure Muslims would be easier to get mobilised for your
Aryanist causes by focusing on what values we have in common and
ignoring the rest until later.
Don’t ask don’t tell similarly to how the NSDAP didn’t push
everyone to be vegan right away.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 27, 2023, 5:54 pm
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"it would make more sense for you to just keep the Surahs that
don’t mention Jewish prophets then. Nobody would recite a poem
by skipping verses here and there."
After christianbethel posts his next draft, you are welcome to
go through it and suggest specifically what you would like to
take out or put back in. If you do not want to wait, you are
alternatively welcome to post your own draft with your preferred
edits already made. We can then compare your draft to
christianbethel's and see which is better.
"focusing on what values we have in common"
You are welcome to join in the many other topics around our
various forums.
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