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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 27, 2022, 6:31 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Surah 10:22: ‘He is the One Who enables you to travel through
land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships, sailing
with a favorable wind, to the passengers’ delight. Suddenly, the
ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on board are
overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume they are
doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere devotion, “If You
save us from this, we will certainly be grateful.”’
>
> Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before you O
Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not
for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s permission.
Every destined matter has a set time.’
>
> Surah 15:34-44: 'Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise,
for you are truly cursed. 35. And surely upon you is
condemnation until the Day of Judgment.” 36. Satan appealed, “My
Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of their resurrection.”
37. Allah said, “You will be delayed 38. until the appointed
Day.” 39. Satan responded, “My Lord! For allowing me to stray I
will surely tempt them on earth and mislead them all together,
40. except Your chosen servants among them.” 41. Allah said,
“This is the Way, binding on Me: 42. you will certainly have no
authority over My servants, except the deviant who follow you,
43. and surely Hell is their destined place, all together. 44.
It has seven gates, to each a group of them is designated.”’
>
> Surah 16:10: He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky,
from which you drink and by which plants grow for your cattle to
graze.
>
> Surah 16:49: And to Allah alone bows down in submission
whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of
living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too proud to do
so.
>
> Surah 16:65: And Allah sends down rain from the sky, giving
life to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a sign for
those who listen.
>
> Surah 16:98: When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with
Allah from Satan, the accursed.
>
> Surah 17:53: ‘Tell My believing servants to say only what is
best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan is
indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.’
>
> Surah 21:95-97: ‘95. It is impossible for a society which We
have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and Magog
have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from every
hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the
disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, “Oh, woe to us! We
have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been
wrongdoers.”’
>
> Surah 22:52-53: ‘52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet
before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations, Satan would
influence people’s understanding of his recitation. But
eventually Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah
would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is
All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan’s
influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and
those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the
wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.’
>
> Surah 22:63: Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from
the sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most
Subtle, All-Aware.
>
> Surah 22:65: Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you
whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail through
the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling down on
the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever
Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity
>
> Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2.
those who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle
talk; 4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their
chastity 6. except with their wives or those bondwomen in their
possession, for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever
seeks beyond that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are
also those who are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and
those who are properly observant of their prayers.’
>
> Surah 23:18: We send down rain from the sky in perfect
measure, causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely
able to take it away.
>
> Surah 24:21: ‘O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of
Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then let them know
that he surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not
been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would
have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills.
And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
>
> Surah 24:43. Do you not see that Allah gently drives the
clouds, then joins them together, piling them up into masses,
from which you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from
the sky mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on
whoever He wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The
flash of the clouds’ lightning nearly takes away eyesight.
>
--- End Quote ---
Are any of these Judaic?
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 27, 2022, 7:26 pm
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Explain what you consider each to be, and why. I will respond if
I see problems with your explanations.
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Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 28, 2022, 10:21 am
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--- Quote ---
> Surah 10:22: ‘He is the One Who enables you to travel through
land and sea. And it so happens that you are on ships, sailing
with a favorable wind, to the passengers’ delight. Suddenly, the
ships are overcome by a gale wind and those on board are
overwhelmed by waves from every side, and they assume they are
doomed. They cry out to Allah alone in sincere devotion, “If You
save us from this, we will certainly be grateful.”’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before you O
Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was not
for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s permission.
Every destined matter has a set time.’
--- End Quote ---
The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 15:26-44: '26. Indeed, We created man from sounding clay
moulded from black mud. 27. As for the jinn, We created them
earlier from smokeless fire. 28. Remember, O Prophet when your
Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a human being
from sounding clay moulded from black mud. 29. So when I have
fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own creation breathed into
him, fall down in prostration to him.” 30. So the angels
prostrated all together— 31. but not Iblîs, who refused to
prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, “O Iblîs! What is
the matter with you that you did not join others in
prostration?” 33. He replied, “It is not for me to prostrate to
a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black mud.”
Allah commanded, “Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly
cursed. 35. And surely upon you is condemnation until the Day of
Judgment.” 36. Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until
the Day of their resurrection.” 37. Allah said, “You will be
delayed 38. until the appointed Day.” 39. Satan responded, “My
Lord! For allowing me to stray I will surely tempt them on earth
and mislead them all together, 40. except Your chosen servants
among them.” 41. Allah said, “This is the Way, binding on Me:
42. you will certainly have no authority over My servants,
except the deviant who follow you, 43. and surely Hell is their
destined place, all together. 44. It has seven gates, to each a
group of them is designated.”’
--- End Quote ---
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have
understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be
Lucifer, who is the good guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 16:10: 'He is the One Who sends down rain from the sky,
from which you drink and by which plants grow for your cattle to
graze.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in submission
whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth of
living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too proud to do
so.'
--- End Quote ---
This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 16:65: 'And Allah sends down rain from the sky, giving
life to the earth after its death. Surely in this is a sign for
those who listen.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge with
Allah from Satan, the accursed.'
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 17:53: ‘Tell My believing servants to say only what is
best. Satan certainly seeks to sow discord among them. Satan is
indeed a sworn enemy to humankind.’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 21:95-97: ‘95. It is impossible for a society which We
have destroyed to ever rise again, 96. until after Gog and Magog
have broken loose from the barrier, swarming down from every
hill, 97. ushering in the True Promise. Then—behold!—the
disbelievers will stare in horror, crying, “Oh, woe to us! We
have truly been heedless of this. In fact, we have been
wrongdoers.”’
--- End Quote ---
I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which
appears in the Tanakh.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 22:52-53: ‘52. Whenever We sent a messenger or a prophet
before you O Prophet and he recited Our revelations, Satan would
influence people’s understanding of his recitation. But
eventually Allah would eliminate Satan’s influence. Then Allah
would firmly establish His revelations. And Allah is
All-Knowing, All-Wise. 53. All that so He may make Satan’s
influence a trial for those hypocrites whose hearts are sick and
those disbelievers whose hearts are hardened. Surely the
wrongdoers are totally engrossed in opposition.’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.Allah is describing his control over the weather, which
tells me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because
you had me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending
down rain from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 22:63: 'Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from
the sky, then the earth becomes green? Surely Allah is Most
Subtle, All-Aware.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 22:65: 'Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you
whatever is in the earth as well as the ships that sail through
the sea by His command? He keeps the sky from falling down on
the earth except by His permission. Surely Allah is Ever
Gracious and Most Merciful to humanity.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 23:1-9: '1. Successful indeed are the believers: 2.
those who humble themselves in prayer; 3. those who avoid idle
talk; 4. those who pay alms-tax; 5. those who guard their
chastity 6. except with their wives or those bondwomen in their
possession, for then they are free from blame, 7. but whoever
seeks beyond that are the transgressors; 8. the believers are
also those who are true to their trusts and covenants; 9. and
those who are properly observant of their prayers.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with
(ràpe) their female slaves.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 23:18: 'We send down rain from the sky in perfect
measure, causing it to soak into the earth. And We are surely
able to take it away.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 24:21: ‘O believers! Do not follow the footsteps of
Satan. Whoever follows Satan’s footsteps, then let them know
that he surely bids all to immorality and wickedness. Had it not
been for Allah’s grace and mercy upon you, none of you would
have ever been purified. But Allah purifies whoever He wills.
And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 24:43: 'Do you not see that Allah gently drives the
clouds, then joins them together, piling them up into masses,
from which you see raindrops come forth? And He sends down from
the sky mountains of clouds loaded with hail, pouring it on
whoever He wills and averting it from whoever He wills. The
flash of the clouds’ lightning nearly takes away eyesight.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 25:45-50: ‘45. Have you not seen how your Lord extends
the shade—He could have simply made it remain still if He so
willed—then We make the sun its guide, 46. causing the shade to
retreat gradually? 47. He is the One Who has made the night for
you as a cover, and made sleep for resting, and the day for
rising. 48. And He is the One Who sends the winds ushering in
His mercy, and We send down pure rain from the sky, 49. giving
life to a lifeless land, and providing water for countless
animals and humans of Our Own creation. 50. We certainly
disperse it among them so they may be mindful, but most people
persist in ungratefulness.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 25:53-54: ‘53. And He is the One Who merges the two
bodies of water: one fresh and palatable and the other salty and
bitter, placing between them a barrier they cannot cross. 54.
And He is the One Who creates human beings from a humble liquid,
then establishes for them bonds of kinship and marriage. For
your Lord is Most Capable.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is talking about how he can manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 25:61: 'Blessed is the One Who has placed constellations
in the sky, as well as a radiant lamp and a luminous moon. 62.
And He is the One Who causes the day and the night to alternate,
as a sign for whoever desires to be mindful or to be grateful.’
--- End Quote ---
Here Allah is described as creating the heavens and the various
heavenly bodies, which should be attributed to Yahweh.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 26:4: ‘If We willed, We could send down upon them a
compelling sign from the heavens, leaving their necks bent in
utter submission to it.’
--- End Quote ---
Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not
Allah.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 26:197: 'Was it not sufficient proof for the deniers
that it has been recognized by the knowledgeable among the
Children of Israel?’
--- End Quote ---
References the Tanakh.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 27:Ayah 86: ‘Do they not see that We made the night for
them to rest in and the day bright? Surely in this are signs for
those who believe.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 27:Ayah 88: ‘Now you see the mountains, thinking they
are firmly fixed, but they are traveling just like clouds. That
is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything. Surely He
is All-Aware of what you do.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is described as creating the mountains, which is Judaic.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 28:71: 'Ask them, O Prophet, “Imagine if Allah were to
make the night perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment,
which god other than Allah could bring you sunlight? Will you
not then listen?” 72. Ask them also, “Imagine if Allah were to
make the day perpetual for you until the Day of Judgment, which
god other than Allah could bring you night to rest in? Will you
not then see?” 73. It is out of His mercy that He has made for
you the day and night so that you may rest in the latter and
seek His bounty in the former, and perhaps you will be
grateful.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 29:46: ‘Do not argue with the People of the Book unless
gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully. And
say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what was
revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only One. And to
Him we fully submit.”’
--- End Quote ---
The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 29:63: 'And if you ask them who sends down rain from the
sky, giving life to the earth after its death, they will surely
say, “Allah!” Say, “Praise be to Allah!” In fact, most of them
do not understand.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:19: 'He brings forth the living from the dead and the
dead from the living. And He gives life to the earth after its
death. And so will you be brought forth from the grave.'
--- End Quote ---
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:23: 'And one of His signs is your sleep by night and
by day for rest as well as your seeking His bounty in both.
Surely in this are signs for people who listen. 24. And one of
His signs is that He shows you lightning, inspiring you with
hope and fear. And He sends down rain from the sky, reviving the
earth after its death. Surely in this are signs for people who
understand. 25. And one of His signs is that the heavens and the
earth persist by His command. Then when He calls you out of the
earth just once, you will instantly come forth.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:40: ‘It is Allah Who created you, then gives you
provisions, then will cause you to die, and then will bring you
back to life. Can any of your associate-gods do any of this?
Glorified and Exalted is He above what they associate with Him
in worship!’
--- End Quote ---
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:46: ‘And one of His signs is that He sends the winds,
ushering in good news of rain so that He may give you a taste of
His mercy, and that ships may sail by His command, and that you
may seek His bounty, and perhaps you will be grateful.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:48-51: ‘48. It is Allah Who sends the winds, which
then stir up vapor, forming clouds, which He then spreads out in
the sky or piles up into masses as He wills, from which you see
rain come forth. Then as soon as He causes it to fall on whoever
He wills of His servants, they rejoice, 49. although they had
utterly lost hope just before it was sent down to them. 50. See
then the impact of Allah’s mercy: how He gives life to the earth
after its death! Surely That same Creator can raise the dead.
For He is Most Capable of everything.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 30:54: ‘It is Allah Who created you in a state of
weakness, then developed your weakness into strength, then
developed your strength into weakness and old age. He creates
whatever He wills. For He is the All-Knowing, Most Capable.’
--- End Quote ---
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 31:29: 'Do you not see that Allah causes the night to
merge into the day and the day into the night, and has subjected
the sun and the moon, each orbiting for an appointed term, and
that Allah is All-Aware of what you do?’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 31:31: ‘Do you not see that the ships sail smoothly
through the sea by the grace of Allah so that He may show you
some of His signs? Surely in this are signs for whoever is
steadfast, grateful.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 31:34: ‘Indeed, Allah alone has the knowledge of the
Hour. He sends down the rain, and knows what is in the wombs. No
soul knows what it will earn for tomorrow, and no soul knows in
what land it will die. Surely Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 32:27: 'Do they not see how We drive rain to parched
land, producing various crops from which they and their cattle
eat? Will they not then see?'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 33:4-8: ‘4. Allah does not place two hearts in any
person’s chest. Nor does He regard your wives as unlawful for
you like your real mothers, even if you say they are. Nor does
He regard your adopted children as your real children. These are
only your baseless assertions. But Allah declares the truth, and
He alone guides to the Right Way. 5. Let your adopted children
keep their family names. That is more just in the sight of
Allah. But if you do not know their fathers, then they are
simply your fellow believers and close associates. There is no
blame on you for what you do by mistake, but only for what you
do intentionally. And Allah is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful. 6.
The Prophet has a stronger affinity to the believers than they
do themselves. And his wives are their mothers. As ordained by
Allah, blood relatives are more entitled to inheritance than
other believers and immigrants, unless you want to show kindness
to your close associates through bequest. This is decreed in the
Record. 7. And remember when We took a covenant from the
prophets, as well as from you O Prophet, and from Noah, Abraham,
Moses, and Jesus, son of Mary. We did take a solemn covenant
from all of them 8. so that He may question these men of truth
about their delivery of the truth. And He has prepared a painful
punishment for the disbelievers.’
--- End Quote ---
I'm not sure, but I think there's laws similar to this
concerning adopted children in the Tanakh.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 33:32: ‘O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any
other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do not be overly
effeminate in speech with men or those with sickness in their
hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate tone.’
--- End Quote ---
Subjugation of women.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 33:52: ‘It is not lawful for you O Prophet to marry more
women after this, nor can you replace any of your present wives
with another, even if her beauty may attract you—except those
bondwomen in your possession. And Allah is ever Watchful over
all things.’
--- End Quote ---
Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of
them being freed.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 34:20-21: ‘20. Indeed, Iblîs’ assumption about them has
come true, so they all follow him, except a group of true
believers. 21. He does not have any authority over them, but Our
Will is only to distinguish those who believe in the Hereafter
from those who are in doubt about it. And your Lord is a
vigilant Keeper over all things.”’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
#Post#: 15369--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 28, 2022, 10:22 am
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--- Quote ---
> Surah 38:71-85: ‘71. Remember, O Prophet when your Lord said
to the angels, “I am going to create a human being from clay.
72. So when I have fashioned him and had a spirit of My Own
creation breathed into him, fall down in prostration to him.”
73. So the angels prostrated all together— 74. but not Iblîs,
who acted arrogantly, becoming unfaithful. 75. Allah asked, “O
Iblîs! What prevented you from prostrating to what I created
with My Own Hands? Did you just become proud? Or have you always
been arrogant?” 76. He replied, “I am better than he is: You
created me from fire and him from clay.” 77. Allah commanded,
“Then get out of Paradise, for you are truly cursed. 78. And
surely upon you is My condemnation until the Day of Judgment.”
79. Satan appealed, “My Lord! Then delay my end until the Day of
their resurrection.” 80. Allah said, “You will be delayed 81.
Until the appointed Day.” 82. Satan said, “By Your Glory! I will
certainly mislead them all, 83. except Your chosen servants
among them.” 84. Allah concluded, “The truth is—and I only say
the truth—: 85. I will surely fill up Hell with you and whoever
follows you from among them, all together.”’
--- End Quote ---
This is the story of how Iblis became Satan. From what I have
understood by reading the main site, Iblis is supposed to be
Lucifer, who is the good guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 39:21: ‘Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from
the sky—channeling it through streams in the earth—then produces
with it crops of various colors, then they dry up and you see
them wither, and then He reduces them to chaff? Surely in this
is a reminder for people of reason.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 40:8: ‘8. Our Lord! Admit them into the Gardens of
Eternity which You have promised them, along with the righteous
among their parents, spouses, and descendants. You alone are
truly the Almighty, All-Wise.’
--- End Quote ---
Parents should not be allowed into Paradise.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 42:8-9: ‘8. Had Allah willed, He could have easily made
all humanity into a single community of believers. But He admits
into His mercy whoever He wills. And the wrongdoers will have no
protector or helper. 9. How can they take protectors besides
Him? Allah alone is the Protector. He alone gives life to the
dead. And He alone is Most Capable of everything.’
--- End Quote ---
This sounds like something Yahweh would do.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after people
have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the Guardian,
the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the creation of the
heavens and the earth, and all living beings He dispersed
throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing all together
whenever He wills.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 42:32-35: ‘32. And among His signs are the ships like
mountains sailing in the sea. 33. If He wills, He can calm the
wind, leaving the ships motionless on the water. Surely in this
are signs for whoever is steadfast, grateful. 34. Or He can
wreck the ships for what the people have committed—though He
forgives much— 35. so those who dispute about Our signs may know
that they have no refuge.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 43:11: 'And He is the One Who sends down rain from the
sky in perfect measure, with which We give life to a lifeless
land. And so will you be brought forth from the grave.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 43:16: 'Has He taken angels as His daughters from what
He created, and favored you O pagans with sons?’
--- End Quote ---
Allah creating angels is Judaic.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 43:60-62: ‘60. Had We willed, We could have easily
replaced you all with angels, succeeding one another on earth.
61. And his second coming is truly a sign for the Hour. So have
no doubt about it, and follow me. This is the Straight Path. 62.
And do not let Satan hinder you, for he is certainly your sworn
enemy.’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 44:8: ‘There is no Allah worthy of worship except Him.
He alone gives life and causes death. He is your Lord, and the
Lord of your forefathers.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah causing life and death is Judaic.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 50:9: 'And We send down blessed rain from the sky,
bringing forth gardens and grains for harvest, 10. and towering
palm trees loaded with clustered fruit, 11. as a provision for
Our servants. And with this rain We revive a lifeless land.
Similar is the emergence from the graves.'
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 55:19-20: ‘19. He merges the two bodies of fresh and
salt water, 20. yet between them is a barrier they never cross.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 56:57-73: ‘57. It is We Who created you. Will you not
then believe in resurrection? 58. Have you considered what you
ejaculate? 59. Is it you who create a child out of it, or is it
We Who do so? 60. We have ordained death for all of you, and We
cannot be prevented 61. from transforming and recreating you in
forms unknown to you. 62. You already know how you were first
created. Will you not then be mindful? 63. Have you considered
what you sow? 64. Is it you who cause it to grow, or is it We
Who do so? 65. If We willed, We could simply reduce this harvest
to chaff, leaving you to lament, 66. “We have truly suffered a
great loss. 67. In fact, we have been deprived of our
livelihood.” 68. Have you considered the water you drink? 69. Is
it you who bring it down from the clouds, or is it We Who do so?
70. If We willed, We could make it salty. Will you not then give
thanks? 71. Have you considered the fire you kindle? 72. Is it
you who produce its trees, or is it We Who do so? 73. We have
made it as a reminder of the Hellfire and a provision for the
travelers.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 57:6: ‘He [Allah] merges the night into day and the day
into night. And He knows best what is hidden in the heart.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is stating that he is the cause of the motion of heavenly
bodies.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 58:10: ‘Secret talks are only inspired by Satan to
grieve the believers. Yet he cannot harm them whatsoever except
by Allah’s Will. So in Allah let the believers put their trust.’
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 65:4: ‘As for your women past the age of menstruation,
in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months,
and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are
pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery. And whoever
is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 65:6: ‘Let them live where you live during their waiting
period, according to your means. And do not harass them to make
their stay unbearable. If they are pregnant, then maintain them
until they deliver. And if they nurse your child, compensate
them, and consult together courteously. But if you fail to reach
an agreement, then another woman will nurse the child for the
father.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 66:4: 'It will be better if you wives both turn to Allah
in repentance, for your hearts have certainly faltered. But if
you continue to collaborate against him, then know that Allah
Himself is his Guardian. And Gabriel, the righteous believers,
and the angels are all his supporters as well.’
--- End Quote ---
Subjugation of women.
--- Quote ---
> Surah 80:24: 'Let people then consider their food: 25. how We
pour down rain in abundance 26. and meticulously split the earth
open for sprouts, 27. causing grain to grow in it, 28. as well
as grapes and greens, 29. and olives and palm trees, 30. and
dense orchards, 31. and fruit and fodder— 32. all as a means of
sustenance for you and your animals.’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells me
he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had me
delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down rain
from the sky.'
--- Quote ---
> Surah 88:17-20: ‘17. Do they not ever reflect on camels—how
they were masterfully created; 18. and the sky—how it was raised
high; 19. and the mountains—how they were firmly set up; 20. and
the earth—how it was leveled out?’
--- End Quote ---
Allah is bragging about his 'creations', which is something
which should be attributed to Yahweh.
#Post#: 15372--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 28, 2022, 6:15 pm
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"Allah is describing his control over the weather, which tells
me he's being compared to Yahweh. I posted this because you had
me delete a passage where Allah is described as 'sending down
rain from the sky.'"
"Yahweh is the one who sends 'compelling signs' from heaven, not
Allah."
"Allah creating angels is Judaic."
"Allah is described as being able to manipulate water, which is
something Yahweh does."
A hacker is not necessarily the same person as the coder.
With that said:
--- Quote ---
> Surah 42:28. He is the One Who sends down rain after people
have given up hope, spreading out His mercy. He is the Guardian,
the Praiseworthy. 29. And among His signs is the creation of the
heavens and the earth, and all living beings He dispersed
throughout both. And He is Most Capable of bringing all together
whenever He wills.’
--- End Quote ---
29 is Judaic. But 28 is not.
--- Quote ---
> [quote] Surah 13:38: ‘We have certainly sent messengers before
you O Prophet and blessed them with wives and offspring. It was
not for any messenger to bring a sign without Allah’s
permission. Every destined matter has a set time.’
>
--- End Quote ---
The 'messengers' include Abraham, Moses, Noah, etc.[/quote]
This verse does not mention who the messengers are. You are
applying your own preconceptions to it.
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Surah 16:49: 'And to Allah alone bows down in
submission whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the
earth of living creatures, as do the angels— who are not too
proud to do so.'
--- End Quote ---
This passage reminds me of the Iblis story.[/quote]
You are illiterate. The Iblis story was about Iblis refusing to
bow to Adam. From your own earlier quote:
--- Quote ---
> So the angels prostrated all together— 31. but not Iblîs, who
refused to prostrate with the others. 32. Allah asked, “O Iblîs!
What is the matter with you that you did not join others in
prostration?” 33. He replied, “It is not for me to prostrate to
a human You created from sounding clay moulded from black mud.”
--- End Quote ---
Iblis' refusal to bow to Adam is in fact consistent with 16:49,
since Iblis is in effect refusing to bow to someone other than
Allah.
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Surah 16:98: 'When you recite the Qur'an, seek refuge
with Allah from Satan, the accursed.'
--- End Quote ---
Satan is Iblis, who is, in fact, Lucifer. Lucifer is the good
guy.[/quote]
This verse does not explicitly equate Satan with Iblis. You are
applying your own preconceptions to it.
"I put this as Judaic because it mentions Gog and Magog, which
appears in the Tanakh."
It is possible to use mythical elements from the Tanakh without
endorsing its worldview.
"Allah is giving permission for slaveowners to have sex with
(ràpe) their female slaves."
"Female slaves can be married, but I don't see any mention of
them being freed."
This does not necessarily imply a Judaic origin. Please follow
procedure. We are currently only removing Judaic verses.
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Surah 29:46: ‘Do not argue with the People of the Book
unless gracefully, except with those of them who act wrongfully.
And say, “We believe in what has been revealed to us and what
was revealed to you. Our Allah and your Allah is only One. And
to Him we fully submit.”’
--- End Quote ---
The 'People of the Book' includes Jews.[/quote]
This verse does not explicitly say this. You are applying your
own preconceptions to it.
--- Quote ---
> [quote]Surah 33:32: ‘O wives of the Prophet! You are not like
any other women: if you are mindful of Allah, then do not be
overly effeminate in speech with men or those with sickness in
their hearts may be tempted, but speak in a moderate tone.’
--- End Quote ---
Subjugation of women.[/quote]
You are illiterate. This verse is proclaiming the superiority of
low sexual dimorphism.
"Parents should not be allowed into Paradise."
Mohammed himself was a parent, and said he would be going to
Paradise.
"Allah is not punishing these couples for procreating."
Allah understands that we are at war. If the followers of
Mohammed had reproduced more during Mohammed's time, perhaps the
Islamic armies could have won at Poitiers, and then the
Renaissance and consequently the Industrial Revolution could
have been prevented from ever occurring. How many more births
could then have been prevented?
#Post#: 15386--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 29, 2022, 3:21 pm
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'A hacker is not necessarily the same person as the coder.'
Ah. Say no more.
'You are illiterate.'
Not really a good idea to insult the guy who's doing all the
work for you. Just sayin'. And for your information, I'm not
illiterate, I'm autistic. I process information differently from
big-brained neurotypicals like yourself. If you can't tell the
difference between autism and illiteracy, then you have my pity.
The proper changes have been made to the document. You can
continue your examination now.
#Post#: 15388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 29, 2022, 4:42 pm
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"I'm autistic."
Autism is a Western concept. We are here to destroy Western
civilization.
"The proper changes have been made to the document. You can
continue your examination now."
--- Quote ---
> Ayat 96-98: '96. Indeed, those against whom Allah’s decree of
torment is justified will not believe— 97. even if every sign
were to come to them—until they see the painful punishment. 98.
If only there had been a society which believed before seeing
the torment and, therefore, benefited from its belief, like the
people of Jonah. When they believed, We lifted from them the
torment of disgrace in this world and allowed them enjoyment for
a while.’
--- End Quote ---
Why not only 98?
--- Quote ---
> Ayat 83-98: ‘83. They ask you O Prophet about
Ⱬul-Qarnain. Say, “I will relate to you something of his
narrative.” 84. Surely We established him in the land, and gave
him the means to all things. 85. So he traveled a course, 86.
until he reached the setting point of the sun, which appeared to
him to be setting in a spring of murky water, where he found
some people. We said, “O Ⱬul-Qarnain! Either punish them
or treat them kindly.” 87. He responded, “Whoever does wrong
will be punished by us, then will be returned to their Lord, Who
will punish them with a horrible torment. 88. As for those who
believe and do good, they will have the finest reward, and we
will assign them easy commands.” 89. Then he traveled a
different course 90. until he reached the rising point of the
sun. He found it rising on people for whom We had provided no
shelter from it. 91. So it was. And We truly had full knowledge
of him. 92. Then he traveled a third course 93. until he reached
a pass between two mountains. He found in front of them a people
who could hardly understand his language. 94. They pleaded, “O
Ⱬul-Qarnain! Surely Gog and Magog are spreading
corruption throughout the land. Should we pay you tribute,
provided that you build a wall between us and them?” 95. He
responded, “What my Lord has provided for me is far better. But
assist me with resources, and I will build a barrier between you
and them. 96. Bring me blocks of iron!” Then, when he had filled
up the gap between the two mountains, he ordered, “Blow!” When
the iron became red hot, he said, “Bring me molten copper to
pour over it.” 97. And so the enemies could neither scale nor
tunnel through it. 98. He declared, “This is a mercy from my
Lord. But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will
level it to the ground. And my Lord’s promise is ever true.”’
--- End Quote ---
?
#Post#: 15389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 29, 2022, 5:10 pm
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Ⱬul-Qarnain is theorized by many scholars to be Alexander
the Great.
#Post#: 15391--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 29, 2022, 5:15 pm
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Please follow procedure. We are currently only removing Judaic
verses.
#Post#: 15392--------------------------------------------------
Re: Drafting up a Jamia
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: August 29, 2022, 5:15 pm
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'Autism is a Western concept. We are here to destroy Western
civilization.'
So that gives you an excuse to call people who process
information differently from other people 'illiterate.'
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