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Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 24, 2020, 12:35 am
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OLD CONTENT
psyarxiv.com/7vdmb/
[quote]men’s preferences for female facial sex-typicality show a
much more systematic 94
pattern. Although there is some research showing
environment-related variation in facial femininity 95
preferences (38), more feminine female faces are perceived as
more attractive unanimously across 96
cultures (12, 39–41). This may be because it could reveal
reproductive potential (i.e. fecundity), as 97
women with more feminine faces may have higher levels of
estrogen (42).
...
weaker preference for feminine-looking women has been found to
be 401
positively correlated with level of national health (38).
...
An interesting finding is that all European countries revealed
420
larger differences between male and female average faces than in
all the other populations.[/quote]
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What are your opinions on this about Japan?
japantoday.com/category/features/kuchikomi/japanese-women%27s-br
east-size-boasts-40-years-of-continued-growth
[quote]TOKYO
Well, there's no denying it any more: the size of Japanese
mammaries have become larger. We know this thanks to a survey by
lingerie manufacturer Triumph International Japan, which
recently made public the results of its research.
According to Nikkan Gendai (Aug 7), the subjects of the survey
were Japanese females between the ages of 20 through 60 years.
And when the data was confirmed, Triumph found that while only
4.5% of its customers had required a D-cup size bra or larger
back in 1980, that percentage had expanded to 17.6% by 1990. By
2018, the percentage had swelled impressively to 53.1%. Or in
other words, a remarkable twelve-fold increase over 40 years.
Interestingly, the 17.5-centimetre average measurement from the
underside of the breast to the top had not shown any appreciable
change during those four decades. Which means the size of the
breasts themselves had definitely become larger.
Naturally, Nikkan Gendai's reporter wants to know why.
"There are two reasons for this," explained Shuko Sakata,
manager of brand marketing at Triumph. "The first is changes in
the diet, such as increased meat consumption and westernization
in general. The other is because we manufacturers have become
better at teaching customers the correct way to select a
brassiere. When putting on their bras, women tend to lean
forward and by so doing gravity collects fleshy parts on the
sides of their torso to fill up the cup. That alone can increase
cup size by as much as two sizes."
Mutsuko Taniguchi, a veteran stylist with some 40 years in the
trade, is in agreement.
"These days when women put on their bra, they press in their
flesh from four directions -- from the sides below their arms,
up from their stomach area and then downwards from their
collarbones. Doing this produces more cleavage and posture
benefits from an overall improvement," she said.
Japan has a culture of exposure, says Taniguchi, so women here
want to emphasize their cleavage, whereas these days western
females tend to dress in a way that enables their left and right
breasts independent movement.
Arata Samon, a doctor and author, estimates that 70 to 80% of
women's breast sizes are determined by heredity.
"But for the remaining 20% or so, nutrition has a certain
effect," he says. "About 90% of a breast is composed of fat
cells. The levels of body fat are determined at three life
stages: while still an embryo, while nursing up to around age 3,
and then at puberty. If one's mother ingests a lot of beef or
pork during pregnancy, the number of fat cells in the fetus will
increase. Then what they consume as children and adolescents,
such as meat, dairy products, fried chicken, convenience store
sandwiches and so on, will enhance the size of the breasts. If
you look back at dietary changes over the past 40 years, the
greater ingestion of fats has definitely had an impact on
women's breast size."
And no doubt we can look forward to continued growth in the
future, the writer says.
© Japan Today [/quote]
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I agree with the article that both heredity and Westernized diet
are likely to be contributing factors to this phenomenon, which
aesthetically should be considered a negative development, as it
is an increase in sexual dimorphism. However, I am more
concerned with what is considered ideal than what is going on
with averages. So long as low sexual dimorphism remains the
ideal, it will be returned to over time, even if current average
sexual dimorphism is high. The real problem is if high sexual
dimorphism has become the ideal, which I fear may be the case.
The bra itself is a colonial-era Western invention intended to
accentuate sexual dimorphism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_bras#The_emergence_of_the_bra_i
n_the_19th_century
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www.psypost.org/2020/03/womens-sexual-fluidity-is-reflected-in-p
references-for-male-facial-masculinity-study-finds-56093
[quote]Batres and her colleagues found that women with higher
levels of attraction to other women were more likely to view
less masculine-looking male faces as more attractive.[/quote]
This agrees with my anecdotal observations. I also suspect that
the converse is true as well. I have a somewhat primitive male
cousin who, whenever asked about which of several male
celebrities etc. he considers best-looking, literally says that
this is not a valid question. The notion that he could consider
any male to be good looking is alien to him, in other words his
idea of "beauty" is 100% equated to sexual arousal. And guess
what? The type of women he prefers is ultra-feminine.
---
"So God created human beings in his own image. In the image of
God he created them; male and female he created them" - Tanakh
---
Whereas we are all about:
"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male
will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter
the Kingdom.” - Jesus
But until then, this **** will continue:
www.pnas.org/content/110/17/6925
[quote]Here we show, based upon female assessment of digitally
projected life-size, computer-generated images, that **** size
interacts with body shape and height to determine male sexual
attractiveness. Positive linear selection was detected for ****
size, but the marginal increase in attractiveness eventually
declined with greater **** size (i.e., quadratic selection).
**** size had a stronger effect on attractiveness in taller men
than in shorter men. There was a similar increase in the
positive effect of **** size on attractiveness with a more
masculine body shape (i.e., greater shoulder-to-hip ratio).
Surprisingly, larger **** size and greater height had almost
equivalent positive effects on male attractiveness. Our results
support the hypothesis that female mate choice could have driven
the evolution of larger penises in humans.[/quote]
(Note the website acronym.)
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Is Yamato Nadeshiko (Japanese ideal women) considered to be
feminine in your book?
www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2013/09/15/language/nadeshiko-adorable
-till-they-die/#.Xpb8H_ktWNw
[quote]The Yamato nadeshiko is renowned for her bihada
(美肌, beautiful skin), bihatsu (美髪,
beautiful hair) and yanagigoshi (柳腰, willowy
hips), not to mention a patented okuyukashisa
(奥ゆかしさ, a deep and abiding
modesty) that both defines her personality and adorns her being.
She’s also about practicality. According to my own observations,
75 percent of the typical Yamato nadeshiko is made up of an
unshakeable devotion to kaji (家事, household
chores) — whether she’s married or not.[/quote]
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"beautiful skin"
"beautiful hair"
If skin is beautiful by being neotenous, then it is not
feminine. But if skin is beautiful by being estrogen-enhanced,
then it is feminine.
"willowy hips"
Willowy usually means slender, which would not be feminine,
since estrogen widens hips.
"deep and abiding modesty"
If modest in the same way that men are expected to be modest,
then it is not feminine. If modest in a way that men are not
expected to be modest, then it is feminine.
"household chores"
If also expected of men, then it is not feminine. If not
expected of men, then it is feminine.
Our general principle is that any trait considered positive for
females should be considered just as positive for males, and
vice versa, or else it is not a trait worth having in the first
place.
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"The sad fact is people cannot choose their bodies."
But we can choose which bodies reproduce. This is one of the
most important things we are promoting.
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And then there is this **** (I told you so):
psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fmen0000119
[quote]Past research has highlighted links between meat
consumption and masculine gender role norms such that meat
consumers are generally attributed more masculine traits than
their vegetable-consuming counterparts. However, the direct link
between gender roles and men’s food choices has been somewhat
neglected in the literature. Three studies conducted in Italy
investigated this link between meat and masculinity. Studies 1
and 2 analyzed female mating preference for vegetarian and
omnivorous partners, confirming that women preferred omnivorous
men (Study 1 and 2), rated them as more attractive (Study 1 and
2), and felt more positive about them (Study 1) than
vegetarians. Moreover Study 2 showed that the attribution of
masculinity mediated this relationship, such that vegetarian men
were considered less attractive because they were perceived as
less masculine. Study 3 tested the relationship between the
endorsement of food-related gender norms and food choices in a
sample of Italian men. The results showed that men who perceived
vegetarianism as feminine preferred meat-based dishes for
themselves and expected their female partners to choose
vegetarian dishes. Together, these findings show that gender
role norms prescribing that men eat meat are actively maintained
by both women and men and do in fact guide men’s food
choices.[/quote]
This is consistent with my personal experiences of hearing even
some vegan women prefer men to not be vegan.
Yes, vegan men are less masculine. That is a sign of racial
superiority. The solution is not for vegan men to try to become
more masculine. The correct solution is to prohibit reproduction
by women who find less masculine men less attractive (which is a
sign of those women's racial inferiority).
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[member=1]90sRetroFan[/member]
What's your opinion on Patrik Baboumian, vegan strongman?
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Women who find him more attractive than me should not be allowed
to reproduce either.
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"But what if that person is bad, even though they are
androgynous? Shouldn't reproduction based on the reproducers'
merit?"
If by merit you mean behaviour, then the problem is that a bad
person with a strong desire to reproduce and who is aware that
selection is based on good behaviour will be willing to feign
good behaviour solely for the sake of being selected for
reproduction. Thus we will not achieve the objective of
Aryanization (ie. eliminating heritably ignoble bloodlines), but
instead will tend to select in favour of people with the
strongest desire to reproduce, which is the opposite of our
goal!
The only behaviour that can be used reliably to decide who
should be allowed to reproduce is behaviour during early
childhood, prior to those being selected becoming aware that
state control over reproduction even exists.
---
Patrik Baboumian is promoted amongst vegans for being strong
like this without consuming animals.
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If he can convert to veganism people that otherwise would not
consider it, I of course support this on a pragmatic level, as
every former non-vegan becoming vegan - irrespective of their
reason for doing so - reduces the total number of victims of the
meat/dairy/egg industries.
This does not diminish my point that those who would only become
vegan after seeing him (as opposed to, for example, seeing
violence against animals, duh!) are, among vegans, the
biologically inferior fraction who should not be allowed to
reproduce.
---
Fertility is racist:
medicalxpress.com/news/2011-06-prejudice-linked-women-menstrual.
html
[quote]fertile women were more biased against men of different
races and men of different social groups than men of their own
group.
...
McDonald and Navarrete said their team's findings are consistent
with the idea that women's prejudice may reflect the workings of
an evolved psychological system that once functioned to protect
them from sexual coercion, particularly when the costs are
highest – that is, when women are fertile.[/quote]
So what does this say about the majority of men who prefer
fertile women?
medicalxpress.com/news/2012-08-men-women-fertile.html
[quote]a growing body of evidence that suggests that men are
able to not only detect when women are ovulating, but find them
more attractive[/quote]
(I personally find even the idea that a menstrual cycle exists
to be disturbing. I have always been disgusted by sanitary
pad/tampon/etc. commercials especially, and can never look in
the same way afterwards at the celebrities who star in the
commercials. Fortunately, celebrities picked for such
commercials tend to be high in sexual dimorphism anyway, and
hence not ones that I particularly liked in the first place.)
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When we're judging aesthetics, the main focus is not actually
about the individuals in the images. It's about the perceptions
of the individuals who are viewing the images! How a viewer
reacts to the images and how attractive they consider the images
is a test revealing the quality of the viewer's aesthetics.
We must use photos of actual people to discuss about aesthetics,
because artistic depictions and computer-generated images are
not always available and not always able to evoke the same
emotions and reactions as images of real people.
In other words, when we have these sorts of discussions, we are
not discussing the ethical quality of someone like Baboumian and
whether or not he personally should be allowed to reproduce, but
rather people who view photos of him and find his physical type
the most attractive.
If instead of using photos of Baboumian, we used some random
person from the street, there would be no way to determine the
ethical quality of that individual solely from looking at them.
The only thing we could determine is the aesthetic quality of
whoever looks at the photos! And, indeed, that is what we are
testing.
We judge highly masculine and highly feminine body types to be
aesthetically inferior because these body types are correlated
with ignoble character traits (i.e. see all the scientific
studies that have been posted here. Factors such as high
testosterone/estrogen are often what are influencing both the
body types and behaviors). Therefore, we hypothesize an
individual who prefers highly-sexually-dimorphic body types will
have a higher tendency towards those ignoble character traits as
well.
Additionally, over time, selection for highly-dimorphic body
types will also decrease the average ethical quality of the
population (again, because selecting for these body types will
increase average testosterone/estrogen levels in the
population). This is why racial idealism matters in the long
run.
It is not because these body/face types themselves inherently
cause ignoble behavior. As you point out, Baboumian is vegan,
and therefore ethically superior to an androgynous-looking
person who has always preferred a meat-heavy diet. But, we
aren't judging him as an individual, but instead the people who
find his body type the most attractive.
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"Additionally, over time, selection for highly-dimorphic body
types will also decrease the average ethical quality of the
population (again, because selecting for these body types will
increase average testosterone/estrogen levels in the
population)."
It's even worse than you describe:
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1090513817304105
[quote]Recent evidence suggests that in sexual selection on
human males, intrasexual competition plays a larger role than
female choice. In a sample of men (N = 164), we
sought to provide further evidence on the effects of men's
physical dominance and sexual attractiveness on mating success
and hence in sexual selection. Objective measures and subjective
ratings of male sexually dimorphic traits purportedly under
sexual selection (height, vocal and facial masculinity, upper
body size from 3D scans, physical strength, and baseline
testosterone) and observer perceptions of physical dominance and
sexual attractiveness based on self-presentation video
recordings were assessed and associated with mating success
(sociosexual behaviour and number of potential conceptions) in a
partly longitudinal design. Results from structural equation
models and selection analyses revealed that physical dominance,
but not sexual attractiveness, predicted mating success.
Physical dominance mediated associations of upper body size,
physical strength, as well as vocal and facial physical
dominance and attractiveness with mating success. These findings
thus suggest a greater importance of intrasexual competition
than female choice in human male sexual selection.[/quote]
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www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/200526151738.htm
[quote]One in three women in Europe inherited the receptor for
progesterone from Neandertals -- a gene variant associated with
increased fertility, fewer bleedings during early pregnancy and
fewer miscarriages. This is according to a study published in
Molecular Biology and Evolution by researchers at the Max Planck
Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Germany and
Karolinska Institutet in Sweden.
...
Progesterone is a hormone, which plays an important role in the
menstrual cycle and in pregnancy. Analyses of biobank data from
more than 450,000 participants -- among them 244,000 women --
show that almost one in three women in Europe have inherited the
progesterone receptor from Neandertals. Twenty-nine percent
carry one copy of the Neandertal receptor and three percent have
two copies.
...
The study shows that women who carry the Neandertal variant of
the receptor tend to have fewer bleedings during early
pregnancy, fewer miscarriages, and give birth to more
children.[/quote]
Carriers should be prohibited from reproducing.
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Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: Starling Date: August 29, 2020, 7:20 am
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From the amusing, yet totally stupid Incel Wiki
A beauty scale:
HTML https://incels.wik
i/images/a/a5/Scale.jpg
Note the male ideal presented: "Square face, with masculine
features, and hunter eyes."
AKA: GigaChad, who is idealized on this site.
The female ideal also has a square face and is suggested that
fashion modelling has the ideal look. :o
[move]Crapitalism Alert![/move]
That said, guy #8 (Ryan Gosling) looks like he's an oval face,
which should by default put him higher than others.
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Re: Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: rp Date: August 29, 2020, 8:10 am
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Some incels idealize non-square face having female models as
HQNP (high quality non primitive) over square-foot having ones.
However it should be noted that these models are nonetheless
high in serial dimorphism.
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Re: Re: Non-Aryan maturity
By: guest5 Date: August 29, 2020, 2:18 pm
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Humanity is pathetic, especially western humanity. That's my
major take away from all this. Just reading that chart above
made me want to stick my finger down my throat....
Absolutely abysmal. If I were an alien with the means to vanish
humanity in the blink of an eye I would do it without even
thinking twice.
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 30, 2020, 12:37 am
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@Starling
"Note the male ideal presented: "Square face, with masculine
features, and hunter eyes.""
Do you know Stargate?
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-hoEoga8no
Compare Ra's face with Colonel O'Neill's. Only Counterculture
fans understand Sun god >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chad.
A fundamental problem with the incel approach is seen in how
they say the 10-rated men are "considered attractive by 99% of
females", even as incels simultaneously claim to despise
females. So if they despise females so much, why do they accept
the standards of "99% of females" as the correct standards? The
simple answer is that they don't really despise females; they
merely want to look like Chad (but do not).
In contrast, I do not care if 99% of people are aesthetically
Eurocentric; that only tells me they are all psychologically
colonized idiots:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/
Therefore I can truly say that I despise Eurocentrists. Which
includes incels, by the way:
HTML https://incels.co/threads/if-you-were-reborn-again-which-race-would-you-choose.124263/
"The female ideal also has a square face"
Emma Watson has a short face for sure, but I would say nearer to
round than square:
HTML https://cache.net-a-porter.com/content/images/story-body-content-V1-0-1537350316166.jpeg/w950_q65.jpeg
This is consistent with incels preferring high sexual
dimorphism, as they certainly would not give a 10-rating to a
man who looks like Watson!
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: Starling Date: August 31, 2020, 10:31 pm
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[quote]Do you know Stargate?[/quote]
Yes, I saw the movie a while back. Only now did I realize that
the likeness for Ra was Akhnaton. Though the Sun God is
portrayed antagonistically here has a slave-driver pharaoh of
Jewish lore. So, the filmmakers could be venting their
frustrations with the Demiurge while projecting it onto a Sun
God/Solar Monarch... sad. Any positive portrayals or such kings?
Also, @90sRetroFan... how would you rate Ryan Gosling (#8 on the
male side of the chart)? Out of the males presented, he seems to
be more ovular/Aryan.
Also also, I just noticed the preference for male facial hair. 5
out of 10 presented males have it, including the top 4 ranks.
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 1, 2020, 12:37 am
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"how would you rate Ryan Gosling"
I dislike ratings (1-10) as such because it turns individuals
into statistics, but I am happy to comment on Gosling's face
shape. Let's get a bigger picture first:
HTML https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/a38/115/7115b4d2e2ba7aef86ee5773f0bda7a052-29-Ryan-Gosling.rsquare.w1200.jpg
His face is long but tending oblong - note how the two sides of
his face are almost like parallel straight lines until the jaw.
For oval, we want a face that starts narrowing from the eyes
down (such that [width at mouth] < [width at eyes]). In the past
you asked me about Edward Norton, remember? Contrast:
[img width=1280
height=941]
HTML https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P0TW1Y/original-film-title-red-dragon-english-title-red-dragon-film-director-brett-ratner-year-2002-stars-edward-norton-credit-universal-studios-wilson-glen-album-P0TW1Y.jpg[/img]
Similarly:
[img width=1280
height=960]
HTML https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-q6rlgHmHZJM/UROd6VdvW0I/AAAAAAAAEUw/R44kdG5OKaI/s1600/jaye-davidson-stargate-jaye-davidson-16997064-2048-1536.jpg[/img]
I was discussing the oblong face with Zea_Mays over email one
time. Here is our dialogue:
[quote]Whenever in doubt, I recommend going back to neoteny.
While we agree that Oblong is less robust than Square, do you
not think that Oblong is actually the LEAST neotenous of all the
shapes, even less so than Square? I have seen children with
Square, Pentagon, Round and Oval faces, but have you ever seen a
child with an Oblong face? I haven't. Therefore Oblong could be
viewed as a terminal group for selective pressure that minimizes
neoteny.
From a face shape standpoint I agree Oblongs are the least
neotenous (I've also never seen a child with such a shape), but
if we also take into account somatotype, many Oblongs seem to be
rather tall/skinny. This leads me to think that they must have
at least some interplay with Ovals (who are the 'core'
ectomorphic type). Perhaps Oblongs are a terminal group rather
than a 'transition' group, but if shapes like the Square and
Pentagon--which are associated with core racial groups--can
transform, surely Oblongs could too?
Again let's look at how children's face shapes change as they
become adults.
Square adults were Square or Round children.
Pentagon adults were Pentagon, Oval or Round children.
Oval adults were Oval, Round or Pentagon children. (Note that
this is the same set as the Pentagon.)
Round adults were Round, Oval or Pentagon children. (Same set
again.)
Oblong adults were Oval or Square children.
Not only is the Oblong the odd one out in terms of not being
able to map onto itself, but also the Pentagon, Oval and Round
taken together map onto themselves. This suggests to me that the
Oblong is a dead end.
That is a very good argument. I suppose if I look at the
transitions in a more "fluid" manner, then having shapes take a
"detour" through a group like the Elongated Pentagon before
transforming into Oval makes more sense than going directly
through the Oblong.
It is interesting that you mention a connection between Rounds
and Ovals. It is technically possible for an Oval to be reduced
to a Round, although I'm not sure how common this is in real
life.[/quote]
"Also also, I just noticed the preference for male facial hair."
For me it's not about whether they shave or not, but the size of
their facial hair area (which is merely easier to see when they
don't shave). Someone with a small facial hair area who doesn't
shave is still lower in sexual dimorphism than someone with a
large facial hair area who does shave; shaving merely
temporarily hides it.
Here is a drawing of Jomon, Yayoi and Yamato (ie. mixed) facial
hair areas, for example:
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EKQ5ZOgU0AAXImQ.jpg
See what I mean?
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: Soleil Date: September 3, 2020, 6:00 am
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Incels are inferior by the simple fact that they do not rebel
against the established norms of women attracted to men with
inferior features but feel a strong resentment at the idea of
not being like them.
They are nothing more than failed tribalists and would seize any
opportunity to be part of bullies. That is why I consider them
enemies and feel no pity for them.
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 22, 2020, 4:24 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/huffpost/jimmy-kimmel-donald-trump-hands-144006353.html
[quote]Jimmy Kimmel noticed Monday how President Donald Trump
gestured when he said he might nominate a woman to replace
Supreme Court justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who died last week.
(See the monologue below.)
It seems the president moved his hands in the shape of an
hourglass ― an outdated gesture for denoting a woman’s
curves.
“Who does that?” the talk show host said. “His mouth is always
lying but his little hands tell the truth.”
The comedian then showed an example from earlier in the
coronavirus pandemic. The president spoke of research “models.”
And once again his hands went to work.[/quote]
Well spotted!
Remember, the hourglass shape for women (ie. high sexual
dimorphism) is an exclusively Western preference. Only Western
clothes are designed to emphasize this shape:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_corsets
[quote]The corset first became popular in sixteenth-century
Europe, reaching the zenith of its popularity in the Victorian
era. While the corset has typically been worn as an
undergarment, it has occasionally been used as an outer-garment;
corsets as outer-garments can be seen in the national dress of
many European countries.[2]:22[/quote]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/P5904296.gif
For that matter, it wasn't that long ago when even women wearing
trousers was considered unacceptable in Western civilization
(whereas women in other civilizations have worn trousers
alongside men uncontroversially):
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trousers#Society
[quote]Based on Deuteronomy 22:5 in the Bible ("The woman shall
not wear that which pertaineth unto a man"), some groups,
including the Amish, Hutterites, some Mennonites, some Baptists,
a few Church of Christ groups, and most Orthodox Jews, believe
that women should not wear trousers. These groups permit women
to wear underpants as long as they are hidden. By contrast, many
Muslim sects approve of pants as they are considered more modest
than any skirt that is shorter than ankle length.[/quote]
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Re: Sexual Dimorphism Preferences
By: rp Date: September 22, 2020, 10:52 pm
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"Well spotted!"
Too bad it had to be followed up ridiculing Trump's "small
hands". I guess you can't wish for everything.
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