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Re: Black Hammer
By: Avena_sativa Date: May 25, 2021, 1:28 am
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[quote]If they come to us asking for our help, it would be
appropriate to simply point them to our information and waiting
to answer questions.
But in this case we are pitching to them[/quote]
I should have made it clearer in my previous posts that this
interaction occurred in the context of the Black Hammer member
reaching out to me in an attempt to recruit me to join that
group. Even though I had no actual desire to join, I wanted to
at least share our projects (and positions) with her instead of
just telling her I was uninterested. I would have liked to
continue our discussion where it was going and direct it towards
ideological positions, but at this point, she has read my
initial invitations to take a look at our own accomplishments
with respect to activism but has ceased responding. To me, this
seems to indicate a disinterest with our own work, let alone our
positions. Let me know what you think.
Regardless, I sought an evaluation of Black Hammer as a
potential ally when I posted the organization’s information in
this section, so I appreciate everyone’s feedback!
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Re: Black Hammer
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 25, 2021, 2:10 am
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"Let me know what you think."
Over the years, I have also been on the receiving end of people
trying to influence our movement to adopt their ideas. The only
ones who have succeeded were those who put in the effort to
write fully thought-out proposals in the format I described. The
rest I ignore without even bothering to read their stuff, which
is why I cannot blame others doing the same to us if we do not
display the same presentational diligence that we require from
others.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: rp Date: May 25, 2021, 4:39 am
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Yes. I would suggest specifically including the points discussed
in this thread, namely Duginism, Western vocabulary, and
democracy.
#Post#: 6689--------------------------------------------------
Re: Black Hammer
By: Dazhbog Date: May 25, 2021, 7:13 am
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[quote author=SirGalahad link=topic=779.msg6641#msg6641
date=1621811104]they think that whiteness is something you’re
born with.[/quote]
To be fair, "white" privilege is actually something you're born
with and factoring it in when determining your entry level rank
isn't any more unfair than factoring in particular skills of
yours, at least some of which also depend on your genetic
predispositions, i.e. something you're born with. After all,
said "white" privilege can be weaponized against "white"
supremacy in much the same manner as any actual skill can.
In this particular case, for example, tasking "white"-passing
recruits with funding the movement makes sense, as they have an
easier time scoring high income employment thanks to their
"white" privilege. Given that "whites" are stereotyped as being
more trustworthy than non-"whites", they can also be assumed to
be more efficient at street-level fundraising and less likely to
experience harassment while doing so. Even if the movement is
funded through criminal activity or sex work, "white"-passing
recruits would be the prime choice to carry it out, thanks to
them being less likely considered suspects by the police,
respectively the widespread idolization of "white" bodies (see
the 'Reproductive decolonization'-thread).
In addition, by weaponizing their "white" privilege in that
manner, the recruits in question prove that they are genuinely
not seeking to benefit from it. In other words, allocating
"white"-passing recruits such tasks is also a filter by which to
distinguish those, who are really just "white"-passing, from
crypto-"whites", who might be trying to infiltrate the movement.
The only thing that matters is that the contributions
"white"-passing recruits make is valued as much as any other
contribution and that they themselves are not looked down upon
due to the manner in which they contribute, but are treated as
full-fledged members of the movement who merely contribute in a
different way than the rest. Also, individual circumstances
still need to be taken into account. If a "white"-passing
recruit is inefficient at funding the movement (to stay with
that example) for whatever reason, but possesses skills that
would make them useful in a different field, they of course
should be used in that field instead.
That being said...
[quote author=NuminousSun link=topic=779.msg6646#msg6646
date=1621827299]They seem to be anti-imperialist as most
false-leftists of the Abby Martin\John Pilger variety
are.[/quote]
Yes.
HTML https://blackhammer.org/2020/09/11/black-hammer-gets-interviewed-by-the-russian-press/
[quote]Balts, Ukrainians, Belarusians, and others are not
Colonized, people. They are citizens of puppet states ruled by
America, which uses them as a tool to fight the proletariat.
...
They are simply human tools that Western Imperialism used to use
to divide the Soviet Union and today against Russia. The United
Snakes of America sees these countries as military bases to
encircle Russia and conduct anti-Russian propaganda. These
states were not Colonized by the USSR, but, on the contrary,
were liberated by the Soviet Union.[/quote]
It only gets worse as the interview progresses:
[quote]Angela Davis is an obedient servant of the Democratic
Party.
...
She once called Obama a radical … Obama, who killed more
Colonized people with his drones and bombs than Trump.[/quote]
So there we have it spelled out right in our faces. Prioritizing
foreign policy issues over the domestic anti-racist struggle,
Martin-Prysner style.
[quote author=NuminousSun link=topic=779.msg6646#msg6646
date=1621827299]I wouldn't be too surprised if they believe the
CIA is evil just because it collaborated with "nazis" during
WWII either....[/quote]
Remember that quote from above:
[quote]These states were not Colonized by the USSR, but, on the
contrary, were liberated by the Soviet Union.[/quote]
Who ruled these states before?
[spoiler][img width=1280
height=1234]
HTML https://c7.alamy.com/comp/g2fgxg/nazi-germany-third-reich-at-its-greatest-extent-in-1942-map-of-europe-g2fgxg.jpg[/img][/spoiler]
Connect the dots!
All in all, Black Hammer leaves me with the impression that its
main task is to siphon away support from the Democrats, thereby
weakening the Squad as well as strengthening the Republicans
(and thus, at least by proxy, Trump and Russia). Unless they
adjust these points asap, they should be classed as an enemy
organization.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: rp Date: May 25, 2021, 7:31 am
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Yes. This will make it clear whether they are just another
kaneradbaren.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: Avena_sativa Date: May 25, 2021, 10:50 am
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[quote]All in all, Black Hammer leaves me with the impression
that its main task is to siphon away support from the Democrats,
thereby weakening the Squad as well as strengthening the
Republicans (and thus, at least by proxy, Trump and Russia).
Unless they adjust these points asap, they should be classed as
an enemy organization.
[/quote]
After reading the interview linked in your post, I agree with
this assessment that BH might be better classed as an enemy
organization. I sent an additional message to the member who
tried to recruit me with a link to that same interview, and I
deconstructed the foreign policy issues present in that
interview for her, emphasizing the broader truth that
identitarian countries are the avowed enemies of all
anti-racist, anti-colonial, liberation movements as opposed to
simply “weapons” that more powerful states use against them. I
also included a statement similar to your final statement where
I said that domestic struggle against identitarianism in the
context of the US involves projecting power onto the leftist (ie
True Leftist) elements of the Democratic Party, as opposed to
siphoning power away.
The Black Hammer member appears to have blocked me after
receiving this message.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: rp Date: May 25, 2021, 12:16 pm
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I agree l, but I will say their "anti-Whitenesss" sets them
apart from other False Leftists such as Abby Martin. I wish we
had a neutral "players" section as we did on the previous forum
where we could put people like Black Hammer.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: Dazhbog Date: May 25, 2021, 3:00 pm
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[quote author=rp link=topic=779.msg6692#msg6692
date=1621962984]I wish we had a neutral "players" section as we
did on the previous forum where we could put people like Black
Hammer.[/quote]
I disagree. The fact that they're playing into the hands of the
Republicans, Trump and Russia and their unwillingness to adjust
their stance when confronted with our arguments (just like
kameradbaren) really leaves no doubt that they belong in the
"enemy"-category.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: Avena_sativa Date: May 25, 2021, 9:48 pm
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[quote]their unwillingness to adjust their stance when
confronted with our arguments[/quote]
To be fair, I would like to point out that this was the behavior
of one member. I do not believe she held any leadership roles in
the group (but I could be wrong about that). In general, I was
not familiar with Black Hammer other than its main propaganda
account and “Reparations Corps” account on Twitter, so I am not
sure how their organization operates with respect to uniformity
in the attitudes/behaviors of their members. Because of this, if
another Black Hammer member were to reach out to me in the
future, I would certainly view them with more suspicion than I
initially viewed the member who attempted to recruit me, but I
also probably would not treat them as an enemy until they
demonstrate similar behavior.
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Re: Black Hammer
By: Dazhbog Date: May 26, 2021, 8:27 pm
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[quote author=Avena_sativa link=topic=779.msg6704#msg6704
date=1621997291]I am not sure how their organization operates
with respect to uniformity in the attitudes/behaviors of their
members.[/quote]
Now that you bring it up, given their pro-democracy stance and
their egalitarian leanings, they likely don't follow the
leadership principle. Therefore, there actually is a chance that
Gazi Kodzo's personal Duginist views aren't integral to the
group's ideological platform. In this light, it seems indeed
fair to not class them as enemies as long as we don't know how
widespread these views really are among its members and whether
they can be changed or not.
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