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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 17, 2023, 1:23 am
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[quote]trying to shame and demonize people for not having any
plans of dying in a (civil) war.[/quote]
From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions,
it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white"
male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled
from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a
de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum
in.
We debunked this all the way back here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg9870/#msg9870
[quote]If State A invades State B, former taxpayers to State B
will now be paying taxes to State A instead (ie. State B loses
taxpayers; State A gains taxpayers). In contrast, if inhabitants
of State A migrate to State B, these former taxpayers to State A
who have migrated will now be paying taxes to State B instead
(ie. State B gains taxpayers; State A loses taxpayers). Thus in
fact immigration is the opposite of invasion.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg11535/#msg11535
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg17806/#msg17806
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/debunking-rightist-anti-immigration-arguments/msg20576/#msg20576
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: rp Date: November 17, 2023, 1:28 am
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"From what I have gathered reading countless enemy discussions,
it isn't so much that rightists are implying that "non-white"
male refugees should be fighting in the countries they have fled
from, but that rightists are accusing them of literally being a
de facto army "invading" the countries they are seeking asylum
in."
Depends on what degree of racist the rightist is. In the early
days of the refugee crisis (2015-2016), I mainly noticed the
former argument. Perhaps it has changed.
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 28, 2023, 5:14 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/MyHandsRatedE/status/1723373025813303520
[quote]“My children are prior to the child the of the enemy” is
a very important white supremacist ideology
...
[quote][img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-qOSFkXYAAvPSG?format=jpg&name=large[/img][/quote][/quote]
A more accurate description would be: "My children are prior to
the child of the outgroup." "Enemy" gives the inaccurate
impression that what matters to tribalists is whether outgroup
children will endanger the ingroup children. Actually, what
matters to tribalists is whether the ingroup children can
benefit from the outgroup children being oppressed. The most
obvious example is non-human children (who are in no way
endangering human children) being used for food/experiments/etc.
intended to benefit human children.
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 1, 2023, 4:16 pm
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HTML https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bJusAgcOX2s/maxresdefault.jpg
Yes. What does rightist appropriation of BLM really tell us? It
tells us that rightists think that:
1) "non-white" murdered by "white"
2) "white" murderer not charged
3) protests happen calling for "white" murderer to be charged
is equivalent to:
1) "white" murdered by "non-white"
2) "non-white" murderer charged
3) protests happen calling for "non-whites" to be collectively
punished.
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 16, 2023, 3:06 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/anger-israeli-government-mounts-military-185909879.html
[quote]Anger at Israeli government mounts after military admits
to mistakenly killing hostages
...
Emotions were raw a day after news broke that Yotam Haim, Samer
Talalka and Alon Shamriz had been killed by soldiers from their
own side.
...
A preliminary investigation has been launched “at the highest
level,” the official said, adding that the conduct went “against
our rules of engagement.”[/quote]
But this conduct:
[quote]Inside Gaza, more than 18,700 people have been killed,
while around 90% of the population has been displaced, with many
living in spiraling humanitarian conditions[/quote]
does not.
[img width=1280
height=1280]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYO27r1WsAA6e5j?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 28, 2023, 3:14 pm
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Our enemies again demonstrate their utter incapability of
understanding non-tribalist thinking:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/big-city-dem-mayors-two-black-demand-biden-pay-for-border-invasion-but-not-stop-it
[quote]Big City Dem Mayors, Two Black, Demand Biden Pay For
Border Invasion (But Not Stop It)[/quote]
Yes, because paying for the refugees helps the refugees, whereas
stopping the refugees from entering does not help the refugees.
Duh!
The mayors are complaining that they are insufficiently funded
to care for the refugees. They are not complaining about their
duty to care for the refugees. They want to care for as many
refugees as they have the resources to care for; they are asking
for more resources (of which the US has plenty - think about how
much money Biden is giving Israel to destroy Gaza with) so that
they can do their duty more effectively!
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 25, 2024, 10:39 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJfjCk0Q2WI
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 5, 2024, 6:14 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXAFfgrhBuQ
It's not even as complicated as False Leftist Iadarola makes it.
"Speaking languages that nobody has heard of" is illogical as
the speaker of the language and whomever they speak it to must
have heard the language by definition. Unless, of course, they
do not count as "anybody". Which, of course, is how Trump sees
them. So, which foreign language speakers count as "anybody"
(ie. the in-group) to Trump?
HTML https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2018/07/13/trump-opposes-foreign-worker-visas-except-for-mar-a-lago-fred-grimm/
[quote]President Trump has found himself forced to staff his
beloved Mar-a-Lago Club with the very sort of workers he once
vowed to banish — those damn job-stealing foreigners.
...
The Prez and his cronies require something special from their
servers. Perhaps an exotic East European accent.
...
a disproportionate number of servers with accents out of the old
Soviet bloc.[/quote]
HTML https://money.cnn.com/2016/07/28/news/donald-trump-foreign-workers/
[quote]Another former staffer told CNN Trump took a particular
liking to her when he found out she was European.[/quote]
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: antihellenistic Date: March 19, 2024, 6:21 pm
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[quote]For instance, research on the personality and motivations
of political conservatives and liberals in the United States has
shown that conservatives tend to self-report a greater need for
closure, structure, order, certainty, and absence of ambiguity
(meta-analysis by Jost et al., 2018; see also Carney et al.,
2008; Gerber et al., 2010; Jost, 2017; Jost et al., 2009).
Political liberals, on the other hand, report a more favorable
attitude toward science (J. M. Blank & Shaw, 2015; Lewandowsky &
Oberauer, 2016; Tullett et al., 2016; but see also Washburn &
Skitka, 2018) and tend to perform better on tests of cognitive
ability (Choma & Hanoch, 2017; Deary et al., 2008; Eidelman et
al., 2012; Heaven et al., 2011; Hodson & Busseri, 2012; Onraet
et al., 2015; Yilmaz & Saribay, 2017). Political liberals are
also more resistant to conspiracies or misinformation (Jost et
al., 2018; Miller et al., 2016; Pennycook & Rand, 2020;
Pfattheicher & Schindler, 2016; Sterling et al., 2016). Further
research into values and moral foundations has suggested that
political conservatives adopt more “binding” values such as
sanctity, authority, and loyalty, whereas political liberals
value more “individualizing” forms of morality that emphasize
fairness and care (Graham et al., 2009, 2011; Kim et al., 2012;
Nilsson & Erlandsson, 2015; Van Leeuwen & Park, 2009;
...
Recent research centered on dogmatism—measured through
individuals’ general receptivity to evidence and respect for
credible alternative viewpoints—has shown that dogmatic
individuals have highly impulsive personalities (Zmigrod et al.,
2021). Impulsivity was also implicated in individuals endorsing
ideological violence to protect their in-group (Zmigrod &
Goldenberg, 2021), suggesting impulsivity contributes to
ideological tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021).
...
Mental inflexibility has been implicated in extreme ideological
identities (for review, see Zmigrod, 2020) in the context of
politics (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), nationalism
(Zmigrod et al., 2018), religion (Zmigrod, Rentfrow, Zmigrod, &
Robbins, 2019), dogmatism (Zmigrod, Zmigrod, et al., 2019), and
a willingness to endorse violence and self-sacrifice (Zmigrod,
Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2019). Importantly, cognitive rigidity was
manifest on both the extreme right and the extreme left
(Zmigrod, Rentfrow, & Robbins, 2020), suggesting that
ideological extremity may be as psychologically important as the
mission of the ideology.
...
Furthermore, recent research examining the cognitive profiles of
a range of ideological attitudes found that impairments in
strategic information processing were linked to more
conservative, authoritarian, nationalistic, and religious
tendencies (Zmigrod et al., 2021). 7 This impairment was also
evidenced in individuals who were more willing to support
extreme progroup actions to protect their in-group. These
impairments were manifest in performance on
executive-functioning tasks associated with working memory and
planning, illustrating that there are common cognitive roots to
ideological thinking across a range of ideological contexts. A
difficulty in planning and executing complex action sequences in
basic perception may thus increase people’s reliance on coherent
collective dogmas that simplify the world into absolute
explanations and clear behavioral prescriptions.[/quote]
Source :
Zmigrod L. (2022). A Psychology of Ideology: Unpacking the
Psychological Structure of Ideological Thinking. Perspectives on
psychological science : a journal of the Association for
Psychological Science, 17(4), 1072–1092.
HTML https://doi.org/10.1177/17456916211044140
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Re: Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 9, 2024, 1:06 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PkwvwN8EeZ4
By the way:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/denmark/
Trump liking Denmark at least makes sense given both are
similarly evil. On the other hand, TYT also liking Denmark just
reveals TYT's False Leftism.
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