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Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 22, 2020, 12:33 am
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Our enemies report:
HTML https://nationalvanguard.org/2020/07/psychology-liberals-care-more-about-rocks-than-their-own-families/
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height=538]
HTML https://nationalvanguard.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/41467_2019_12227_Fig5_HTML.png[/img]
[quote]Study suggests that leftists have an almost precisely
inverted scale of values compared to rightists. Instead of a
hierarchy of concern with one’s own family, nation, and race
highest on the scale, leftists place abstractions like “all
objects in the universe” — including such things as rocks — or
“all mankind” — in first place.
THE IMAGE ABOVE shows two “heatmaps” indicating highest moral
allocation of value by ideology, in section 3a of this group of
studies. Source data are provided as a Source Data file in the
original article. The highest value on the heatmap scale is 20
units for liberals, and 12 units for conservatives. Moral circle
rings, from inner to outer, are described as follows: (1) all of
your immediate family, (2) all of your extended family, (3) all
of your closest friends, (4) all of your friends (including
distant ones), (5) all of your acquaintances, (6) all people you
have ever met, (7) all people in your country, (8) all people on
your continent, (9) all people on all continents, (10) all
mammals, (11) all amphibians, reptiles, mammals, fish, and
birds, (12) all animals on earth including paramecia and
amoebae, (13) all animals in the universe, including alien
lifeforms, (14) all living things in the universe including
plants and trees, (15) all natural things in the universe
including inert entities such as rocks, (16) all things in
existence.[/quote]
At least rocks do not initiate violence, unlike our families.
Living things do have the potential to be more heroic than
rocks, as they can in theory do retaliatory violence while
refraining from initiated violence, but in reality very few
succeed in this, and even then retaliation was only required in
the first place because someone else initiated violence. A truly
ideal world is not one in which heroes triumph, but one in which
heroes are unnecessary because there are no villains.
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 9, 2020, 4:25 am
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OLD CONTENT
www.counter-currents.com/2020/06/white-nationalism-for-dummies/
[quote]Another myth that must be addressed is that of “hate.” In
truth, white nationalism is about love. Love of history, love of
culture, love of family and community. Love of those who share
our values and sensibilities. To be sure, there is nothing
inherently wrong with hate. Hate is an emotion, as valid as any
other. Sometimes hate is a productive emotion, if the energy is
channeled usefully. If I discovered a child being sexually
abused by a pedophile, hate for the sick and perverted would be
much more useful than empathy. Empathy often leads to
permissiveness, whereas hate can lead to justice, when it is
rationally wielded through ideological self-control.[/quote]
Isn't this just circular logic?
[quote]In the case of Jews and Asians, they’ve been elevated to
elite positions in our society that often displace legacy white
Americans. In most cases, their intelligence and work ethic
warrants a modicum of success, but despite their economic
prosperity and status, they are still allowed to claim that
they’re oppressed by whites. Instead of pointing out this
hypocrisy, our white elected officials grovel and prostrate
themselves to appease them rather than stand up for the white
people they should be representing.[/quote]
And what legacy white Americans are they replacing? They never
answer this, because most of them are dead oil tycoons,
plantation owners, or statesmen. Regardless, the point is that
this is not different from the rampant need of nepotism. They
don't want to replace this horrible system in its entirety, they
just want their "tribe" to have overall privilege. (which they
already. still have?)
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"Isn't this just circular logic?"
Worse, it is just sloppy reasoning. For example:
[quote]If I discovered a child being sexually abused by a
pedophile, hate for the sick and perverted would be much more
useful than empathy. Empathy often leads to permissiveness,
whereas hate can lead to justice[/quote]
This makes it sound like we must choose between empathy and
hate. This is untrue. The psychologically accurate description
is that we hate the oppressor because we empathize with the
victim, and indeed the more we empathize with the victim, the
more we will hate the oppressor. Therefore empathy does not lead
to permissiveness, unless we bizarrely empathize with the
oppressor instead of with the victim. But the oppressor, in
order to be psychologically able to oppress, had to lack empathy
for the victim in the first place. Therefore it was still lack
of empathy that permitted the oppression to begin with.
Our ethical duty is to start with empathy for everyone, and then
cease empathy towards those who first ceased their empathy
towards their victims. This is just Ahimsa reworked: non-empathy
is violence, and initiated violence demands retaliatory
violence.
But of course rightists cannot say this, since that would
justify non-empathy for (and retaliatory violence towards)
colonialists (the indisputable initiators of violence during the
colonial era), which contradicts their tribalist teaching of
siding with "whites" against "non-whites" even when "whites" are
in the ethical wrong, which is what they really mean by this
part:
[quote]white nationalism is about love. Love of history, love of
culture, love of family and community.[/quote]
Thus the rightist has to make it sound like empathy itself is
the problem!
"they just want their "tribe" to have overall privilege. (which
they already. still have?)"
Exactly.
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 8, 2020, 12:52 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/french-man-chased-fly-around-151608210.html
[quote]A French man chased a fly around with an electric swatter
and accidentally blew up his own house
...
Friday's blast wasn't the first time that an attempt to
exterminate a tiny pest had led to bigger problems than it's
worth.
Last year a man in Brazil tried to kill some cockroaches his
backyard throwing matches in a hole that he had poured gasoline
into.[/quote]
I use a plastic cup to let the flies etc. back outside unharmed.
(My parents, on the other hand, used a vaccuum cleaner.....)
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: rp Date: September 8, 2020, 12:54 am
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I use a tissue to catch insects and let them outside into the
grass. BTW looking at the article, it seems the man is still
(unfortunately) alive.
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: guest5 Date: September 9, 2020, 9:48 pm
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The only insects I will kill are mosquitoes, other parasites
like ticks, and cockroaches. Roaches always find a way back in
and they breed like crazy and invade your personal space. I save
all bees from drowning, but I let Yellow-jackets drown because
of their unwarranted aggressiveness.
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 9, 2020, 11:56 pm
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"The only insects I will kill are mosquitoes, other parasites
like ticks, and cockroaches. Roaches always find a way back in
and they breed like crazy and invade your personal space."
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/hungary-must-be-destroyed/comment-page-1/#comment-183064
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/antropocentricism-the-most-dangerous-ideology-in-the-world/
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: guest5 Date: September 10, 2020, 1:09 pm
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Well, parasites don't just suck human blood and roaches don't
just invade human living spaces. Is it not somewhat
anthropocentric not to take that fact into account? Furthermore,
is blood-sucking not an act of initiated violence? I never gave
mosquitoes or a tick permission to land on me and start sucking
my blood. Nor did the dog....
Hornets and yellow-jackets initiate violence all the time
too....
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 10, 2020, 11:39 pm
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You should be treating them as individuals. Just because 99
mosquitoes have sucked your blood in the past does not mean you
should presume the 100th mosquito will also do so. To so presume
is to fail to treat the individual before you as an individual.
Remember, mosquitoes do not even know the word "mosquito"
exists; "mosquito" is what humans unilaterally decided to call
them (same as how "whites" unilaterally decided to call some
people "blacks") - that is the anthropocentrism.
"Hornets and yellow-jackets initiate violence all the time
too...."
Racist: "Blacks and browns initiate violence all the time too!"
"invade human living spaces"
That is what my insect-vaccuuming parents said decades ago.
Whoever built your house took the territory from the original
non-human inhabitants to do so. I am not saying you should not
continue living in your house (since the earlier inhabitants
have no exclusive claim to the territory either), but either you
should not mind non-humans continuing to visit the same
territory, or if it does bother you then you it is up to you to
move elsewhere.
For contrast:
[quote]“I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final
right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a
very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for
instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of
America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a
wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger
race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it
that way, has come in and taken their place.” – Winston
Churchill (Jew)[/quote]
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: guest5 Date: September 11, 2020, 1:59 pm
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[quote]You should be treating them as individuals.[/quote]
If you recall from a personnel story I have told you about a
synchronistic event I experienced which actually involved a
Yellow Jacket, I was able to treat that Yellow Jacket as an
individual. Several months later I was bitten by a Yellow
Jacket, which followed me a very long distance in-order to do
so....
[quote]Just because 99 mosquitoes have sucked your blood in the
past does not mean you should presume the 100th mosquito will
also do so.[/quote]
If something lands on my neck my first reaction is to brush it
off, this kills most small insects when doing so, regardless of
whether or not it was a mosquito. Just like when I tread on soil
I'm probably killing spider-mites and other small organisms. I
do not go out of my way to find this creatures so as to kill
them. I leave spiders in my house intentionally too....
This is the inherent violent nature of life on this planet and
physical existence in a material realm.
And, for all practical intents and purposes, I will not turn
someone away from my future solar community for swatting at
mosquitoes that land on them. I do appreciate your ideological
purity, however. Personally, I feel incredible guilt whenever I
have killed something, no matter how small. It's terrible.
Perhaps why the cosmos may still feel my soul is redeemable and
why I was blessed with that synchronistic event involving the
yellow-jacket in the first place?
[quote]Racist: "Blacks and browns initiate violence all the time
too!"[/quote]
Okay, but the racist is clearly lying. Humans initiate violence
all the time, regardless of skin color. Humans that dwell in
western civilization usually commit the most initiated violence.
Fair enough, humans labelled mosquitoes the "mosquito" and a
mosquito has no concept of the human label that has been applied
to it, but, why do yellow-jackets come with yellow and black
stripping and the mosquito doesn't?
I just think the whole thing is fucked and beyond redemption.
The only way there could be physical existence within a material
realm without violence is if life were able to draw all the
energy needed for living directly from the environment.
How much life have I destroyed just by walking on soil for
example? I actually feel bad about that too and the only true
remedy would be to remove my physical existence from this realm.
I feel bad for the mouse:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFDIIi-B4Q8
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: guest5 Date: September 11, 2020, 2:12 pm
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Also, if you show up to my front door wearing war-paint and
you're holding a rifle, I may want to treat you as an individual
and find out what you're all about and what you want, but
everything inside me is probably going to be screaming: "This
guy is definitely not here to borrow sugar!".
Mosquitoes show up with needles attached to their faces....
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