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Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: rp
Date: May 18, 2021, 8:36 pm
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Scientists reconstruct faces of Indus Valley People
HTML https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/scientists-reconstruct-faces-of-indus-valley-people/articleshow/71512919.cms
HTML https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-71519723,width-1200,height-900,resizemode-4/.jpg
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> Original skulls (left) of two individuals which went through
craniofacial reconstruction and the final appearance after
reconstruction
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The part in bold is important especially. The two skulls are
clearly different racial types. The top is a Harappan (Aryan)
type, while the bottom is a Vanavasi (Gentile) type. You can use
this for your Aryan Diffusion Part 3 skull comparison! Finally!
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Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 18, 2021, 10:36 pm
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Thanks!
"The top is a Harappan (Aryan) type, while the bottom is a
Vanavasi (Gentile) type."
I suspect both are mixed, though I certainly agree that by
appearance the top got more Suryavanshi blood than the bottom.
Typical Vanavasi should have an even shorter face. Following
your advice here:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/everything-jews-touch-turns-to-poison/comment-page-1/#comment-183344
we are talking about this kind of shape:
[img]
HTML https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/lDjykIGP-MKMrpDEIT6TO2yKDxZh6LTgysSRAwHObKq0J3_zS2-JcRSJvY-dvOPANvyZHMr5Uiqhc7jQ9zPAm66wjcs=s500[/img]
[img]
HTML https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/telangana/f5418a/article24647447.ece/ALTERNATES/LANDSCAPE_1200/HY09-ADIVASISDAY[/img]
"their facial structure is remarkably similar to that of many
present-day “Whites”!"
[img]
HTML https://imengine.prod.srp.navigacloud.com/?uuid=6e71949c-9bea-50f4-993b-e8575381bfed&type=primary&q=72&width=1024[/img]
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Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: rp
Date: May 18, 2021, 10:51 pm
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"I suspect both are mixed"
I noticed this as well! But I couldn't decide if it was the top
one that had some Vanavasi blood or the bottom one that had some
Suryavanshi blood. Now I realize both are a mixture of the two.
Note how the jaw of the top skull is wider than what the jaw of
a pure Aryan skull would be, while the jaw of the bottom skull
is narrower than what the jaw of a pure Gentile skull would be.
"we are talking about this kind of shape:"
I agree. Here is an even better example without facial hair,
which allows the viewer to get an accurate perception of the
skull alone:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Tribe_woman%2C_India.jpg/800px-Tribe_woman%2C_India.jpg
She looks like some of the aggressive, ADHD "White" kids I went
to school with...
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Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: rp
Date: May 20, 2021, 3:55 pm
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Getting back to this post:
--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> Thanks!
>
> "The top is a Harappan (Aryan) type, while the bottom is a
Vanavasi (Gentile) type."
>
> I suspect both are mixed, though I certainly agree that by
appearance the top got more Suryavanshi blood than the bottom.
>
--- End Quote ---
This makes sense considering that the cemetery from which the
skulls were obtained was only 4500 years old. This is the early
stage of the Indus Valley Civilization, so there would have been
significant mixing by then. Also, the practice of burying the
dead is of non-Aryan origin.
Also, I should have said "The top is an Aryan-leaning (Harappan)
type, while the bottom is a Gentile-leaning (Vanavasi) type."
#Post#: 6760--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: rp
Date: May 28, 2021, 1:33 am
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I just found this guy on YouTube; he apparently believes in a
"Dravidian Centric" form of Aryan Diffusion (that agriculture
was brought to India from Sri Lanka):
HTML https://youtu.be/AUcWmCxN2HE
Although the Dravidian myths regarding the invention of
agriculture are certainly worth looking at, this video is too
far-fetched. He suggests that all "Dravidians" are one
monolithic entity (race) and that all PIE speakers are of the
"Aryan" (Turanian)* race. So his logical conclusion is that
everything originated with the "Dravidian race".
He is similar to some "Blacks" who agree with Aryan diffusion
but still subscribe to "Afrocentrism".
Please try to watch the video and give your thoughts if you have
the time.
*Although I will give him credit; in another video, he says
referring to the Vedics as "Aryan" is "too kind" as they are in
fact "crypto-Jews from the Khazar region". I agree that the
Vedics and present-day Ashkenazi Jews share the same ancestry.
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Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: August 10, 2021, 6:39 pm
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Now, here's a confirmation.
The Vedic invasion was from steppe pastoralists. I haven't had a
chance to read the full article yet, but it has a number of
easy-to-understand illustrations and breaks down ancient farming
vs herding vs hunting populations in a way readers here would be
familiar with. (See Figure 3).
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> The formation of human populations in South and Central Asia
> [...]
> After the Indus Valley Civilization’s decline, [...] they
mixed with descendants of Steppe pastoralists who, starting
around 4000 years ago, spread via Central Asia to form the other
main ancestral population. The Steppe ancestry in South Asia has
the same profile as that in Bronze Age Eastern Europe, tracking
a movement of people that affected both regions and that likely
spread the distinctive features shared between Indo-Iranian and
Balto-Slavic languages.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6457/eaat7487
Unfortunately, Vedic junkies are trying to get Harappan
Civilization fans to reject their admiration for the Harappan
Civilization:
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>
> "On the two key issues: who were the Harappans and who were
the Arya, the new studies thus arrive at the exact same
conclusions. The Harappans who created the agricultural
revolution in northwestern India and then built the Harappan
civilisation were a mix of First Indians and Iranians who spoke
a pre-Arya language. The Arya were central Asian Steppe
pastoralists who arrived in India between roughly 2000 BCE and
1500 BCE, and brought Indo-European languages to the
subcontinent."
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.thehindu.com/society/history-and-culture/theres-no-confusion-the-new-reports-clearly-confirm-arya-migration-into-india/article29409611.ece
This is the ultimate example of how powerful language and
propaganda are. 4000 years later, Turanian propaganda is still
successful. They have the entire plot backwards just because
they are so hung up on a single word. Not even the word's
meaning, but the language family from which it originates.
*bangs head on table*
Dunces think that just because the word "Aryan" originates from
a Turanian language, therefore the meaning of the word
automatically applies to the Vedics! The commonly-held
etymologies of "noble ones" or "soil tillers" certainly don't
apply to the Turanian invaders. The meaning of the word Aryan
describes the Harappans, regardless of what language family that
word originated from! Even the archetypal Aryan symbol of the
Indus Valley, the swastika, is distinctly Harappan. I wonder how
they will attempt to reconcile that?
The Vedics also had words for negative things, like "devil", but
people don't automatically assume those are positive simply for
belonging to a language group they like. Oh, wait...
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Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 11, 2021, 2:59 am
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Yes, we had a topic in the old forum discussing this same
problem. Let me repost it here now:
OLD CONTENT
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBuZ9Kd0yRA
I was surprised to see just how spot-on these guys were - save
for the misconception regarding the use of the word "Aryan".
---
"I was surprised to see just how spot-on these guys were"
There is no reason to be surprised; this is mainstream
anthropology that anyone can look up.
"save for the misconception regarding the use of the word
"Aryan"."
This clown of a presenter was using the term "Iranian
agriculturalists" without even realizing that "Iran" and "Aryan"
are the SAME WORD FFS (the meaning of which is
"agriculturalist", by the way, so "Iranian agriculturalists"
actually means "agricultural agriculturalists"(!)), and then he
goes off and calls the steppe subhumans "Aryans" despite himself
declaring that they are pastoralists ("Turan" in Iranian
terminology).
---
thediplomat.com/2019/01/where-did-indians-come-from-part-3-what-is-caste/
--- Quote ---
> The farmer/steppe (ANI) to farmer/aboriginal (ASI) ratio of
the castes is relative in each particular region, in a gradient
from northwest to south India, so a a lower-caste individual in
Punjab may be more ANI genetically than a high-caste individual
from Tamil Nadu. The Meghwal, an “untouchable” caste from
Rajasthan are 60.3 percent ANI, while the Velama, a high caste
associated with administration and rule from Andhra Pradesh, are
54.3 percent ANI.
--- End Quote ---
Finally, an article that covers the information that matters.
I've seen endless talk of ANI vs ASI on HBD forums (i.e.
Turanian vs Aboriginal), but none of them talk about neolithic
DNA.
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@90srf
“Iranian” has also been hijacked by the Turanian WNs (see Jason
Reza Jorjani) to refer to the steppe subhumans (e.g. Scythians).
They do the same trick in Iran; conflate the Turanian ancestors
of the Avestans (PIE speakers) with the original
agriculturalists, then lump them together in the same
llinguistic category (“Indo-Iranians”).
---
scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite
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> Thanks to the Cell paper released on September 5, we now know
that the people of the Indus Valley had no Steppe DNA. They
mainly had a mixture of Iranian-farmer-related DNA as well as
some DNA from Ancient Ancestral South Indians.
>
> The Steppe population came in from grasslands in Eastern
Europe corresponding to modern-day Ukraine, Russia and
Kazakhstan. The genetic research identifies that this Steppe
ancestry burst into India during a “narrow time window” dated
between 2,000 BC and 1,500 BC.
> ...
> This ancient encounter is, incredibly, reflected even in the
present-day Hindu caste system, with Steppe DNA correlated with
upper-caste status. “Groups that view themselves as being of
traditionally priestly status, including Brahmins who are
traditional custodians of liturgical texts in the early
Indo-European language Sanskrit, tend (with exceptions) to have
more Steppe ancestry than expected on the basis of ANI-ASI
mixture,” says the research in Science.
>
> While this new genetic research backs it up, this claim has
been made before by experts using only linguistics and
archaeology. In his remarkable 2007 book The Horse, The Wheel,
and Language, David Anthony, a professor of anthropology and one
of the world’s leading authorities on Indo-European migration,
pointed out that [b]funeral sacrifices at Sintashta, an
archaeological site all the way out on the Russian Steppe
“showed startling parallels with the sacrificial funeral rituals
of the Rig Veda”[/b].
--- End Quote ---
We already know the above. But what I want to raise is the
attitude problem:
--- Quote ---
> Vasant Shinde, co-author on both studies, put out a press
release on September 6 where he argued that the new data
“completely sets aside the Aryan Migration/Invasion Theory” and
also proves that the “Harappans were the Vedic people”.
--- End Quote ---
Wtf?
--- Quote ---
> Shinde also disagreed with the linguistic conclusions in the
research, claiming that they were not based on any scientific
proof. “The Harappans were speaking Sanskrit since they were so
advanced,” Shinde told Scroll.in.
--- End Quote ---
Wtf?
--- Quote ---
> What about Shinde’s claim that the Indus Valley Civilisation
was the same as the Vedic civilisation, with both speaking
Sanskrit? This is, in fact, an assertion that has long been made
by many Hindutva supporters as a way to claim that key cultural
markers of modern Hinduism such as Sanskrit or the Rig Veda have
completely indigenous origins.
>
> However, there is little data to support this theory. In fact,
this recent genetic research backs up the claim that the Indus
Valley Civilisation was completely different from the Vedic
people.
> ...
> While all people are interested in their origins, why do
feelings in India run especially deep? Reich, in an interview to
Scroll.in in February, put forward a cultural argument, noting
that in contrast to India, its Muslim-majority 1947 twin
Pakistan doesn’t seem to care very much about the ancient past.
> ...
> India is today dominated by the politics of Hindutva or Hindu
nationalism, an ideology which is fiercely nativist. Vinayak
Savarkar, the founder of Hindutva and a foundational thinker for
the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, based his nationalism on
nativism arguing that for a true Indian, India had to be both
his pitribhumi (ancestral land) and punyabhumi (the land of his
religion).
>
> “A Hindu therefore could not be descended from alien
invaders,” said historian Romila Thapar, explaining how Hindutva
saw the world. “Since Hindus sought a lineal descent from the
Aryans, and a cultural heritage, the Aryans had to be
indigenous.”
--- End Quote ---
I have already provided a way to achieve this:
aryanism.net/culture/aryan-race/aryan-diffusion-part-3/
All you need to do is call the Vedics by their real name -
Turanians - and recognize Harappans as the actual Aryans, and
you have exactly what you want. It's so easy. Why is this not
being done?
--- Quote ---
> Much the same argument was echoed by Madhav Golwalkar, the
highly influential second chief of the Rashtriya Swayasevak
Sangh, the parent organisation of the BJP: “Hindus came into
this land from nowhere, but are indigenous children of this soil
always from time immemorial”. It is this racial factor that, as
per Gowalkar, “is by far the important ingredient of a nation”.
--- End Quote ---
Fine, so instead of wishing the Vedics were indigenous (even
though they obviously are not), why not emphasize Indus Valley
civilization as the true Hindu heritage that you want?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_dynasty
But keep worshipping the Vedics, and eventually you will end up
worshipping Russia. Which is what Dugin wants.
---
It is because Zionist academia constantly refers to Harrapans
as” Dravidian” and hence non aryan, despite the fact that
“dravidian” is merely a linguistic group (where have we seen
this semantic trick before?). Moreover, they also crudely
associate the Harappa culture with the indigenous gentile (I.e.
vanavasi) culture, and explicitly only showcase phenotypes
belonging to this group, thereby causing Indians to conflate
harappans with aboriginals.
And yes, regarding duginism, you are most certainly correct that
this is his plan:
4threvolutionarywar.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/dugins-guideline-the-aryan-union/
---
"Zionist academia constantly refers to Harrapans as” Dravidian”
and hence non aryan, despite the fact that “dravidian” is merely
a linguistic group (where have we seen this semantic trick
before?)."
But where does the ridiculous idea come from that Dravidian
languages are less "advanced" (whatever that means) than
Sanskrit??
"they also crudely associate the Harappa culture with the
indigenous gentile (I.e. vanavasi) culture, and explicitly only
showcase phenotypes belonging to this group, thereby causing
Indians to conflate harappans with aboriginals."
This is where we should be jumping in to change perception. It
is indisputable that the Indus Valley people were full-time
farmers (as opposed to merely farming on the side like Gentiles
do):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation#Agriculture
--- Quote ---
> Research by J. Bates et al. (2016) confirms that Indus
populations were the earliest people to use complex
multi-cropping strategies across both seasons, growing foods
during summer (rice, millets and beans) and winter (wheat,
barley and pulses), which required different watering regimes.
--- End Quote ---
Recent discoveries also strengthen the case that farming in
India was indeed an indigenous development:
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> According to Jean-Francois Jarrige, farming had an independent
origin at Mehrgarh, despite the similarities which he notes
between Neolithic sites from eastern Mesopotamia and the western
Indus valley, which are evidence of a "cultural continuum"
between those sites. Nevertheless, Jarrige concludes that
Mehrgarh has an earlier local background," and is not a
"'backwater' of the Neolithic culture of the Near East."[96]
Archaeologist Jim G. Shaffer writes that the Mehrgarh site
"demonstrates that food production was an indigenous South Asian
phenomenon" and that the data support interpretation of "the
prehistoric urbanisation and complex social organisation in
South Asia as based on indigenous, but not isolated, cultural
developments".[157]
--- End Quote ---
which further consolidates Suryavansha prestige.
#Post#: 8018--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 11, 2021, 3:11 am
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The discussion continues here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg5905/#msg5905
Note in particular my observations about aesthetics here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/indian-attitudes/msg5923/#msg5923
I still can't get over the awesomeness of this Harappan (ie.
Aryan) sculpture:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/WLA_brooklynmuseum_Harappa_Miniature_Votive_Images_2.jpg
Look how the human figure is portrayed to emphasize its
similarities rather than differences with the non-human figures!
This was clearly made by a deeply non-anthropocentric artist -
someone like us!
#Post#: 8053--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: August 13, 2021, 5:01 pm
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--- Quote ---
> But keep worshipping the Vedics, and eventually you will end
up worshipping Russia. Which is what Dugin wants.
--- End Quote ---
Indeed:
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> Russia's president Vladimir Putin visited the site in 2005,
meeting in person with the chief archaeologist Gennady
Zdanovich.[13] The visit received much attention from Russian
media. They presented Arkaim as the "homeland of the majority of
contemporary people in Asia, and, partly, Europe". Nationalists
called Arkaim the "city of Russian glory" and the "most ancient
Slavic-Aryan town". Zdanovich reportedly presented Arkaim to the
president as a possible "national idea of Russia",[14] a new
idea of civilisation which Shnirelman calls the "Russian
idea".[15]
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkaim#Vladimir_Putin's_visit_and_the_%22Russian_idea%22
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arkaim#swastika
I am ashamed to admit that, before I had a solid grasp on
archaeology, even I fell for this Turanian propaganda...
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I also found the Wikipedia article on this:
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> Indigenous Aryanism, also known as the Indigenous Aryans
theory (IAT) and the Out of India theory (OIT), is the
conviction[1] that the Aryans are indigenous to the Indian
subcontinent,[2] and that the Indo-European languages radiated
out from a homeland in India into their present locations.[2] It
is a "religio-nationalistic" view on Indian history,[3][4] and
propagated as an alternative to the established migration
model,[5] which considers the Pontic steppe to be the area of
origin of the Indo-European languages.[6][7][8][note 1]
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_Aryanism
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> the conviction that the Aryans are indigenous to the Indian
subcontinent
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Yes! The Harappan Civilization!
--- Quote ---
> and that the Indo-European languages radiated out from a
homeland in India into their present locations.
--- End Quote ---
Argh. I guess it's Turanian blood memory that causes both "Out
of India" Vedic junkies and Nordicists to have such an obsession
about who's the original and ultimate "Indo-Europeans". Over
4000 years of Turanian propaganda...
#Post#: 8056--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryan Diffusion Part 3 Confirmed
DIR By: rp
Date: August 13, 2021, 5:34 pm
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From my experience, many of the "Out of India" theorists only
promote the idea that the Indo-European languages are
indigienous because they have an affinity for Sanskrit since
most of the classical era Indian texts were written in that
language. Hence, they cannot be called tribalists as they do not
explicitly promote Turanism. It is indeed possible that some of
the Indo-European languages did not wholly originate in the
steppe, as evidenced by the presence of Aryan vocabulary (most
notably the word "Aryan" itself) in those languages, but rather
that these languages are the result of an Aryan vocabulary being
infused into a PIE (Turanian) base.
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