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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 4, 2021, 2:22 am
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"I highly doubt that he committed the crime out of compassion
for fish"
Most readers of the Tanakh highly doubt that Cain killed Abel
out of compassion for the lambs (Abel's victims). But our
interpretation is that that was indeed Cain's motive, because we
give people benefit of doubt in absence of contrary information.
I simply applied the same standards to Vandyke as I did to Cain.
I do not recall you complaining about our interpretation of
Cain, so I would be interested to hear why you have different
standards for Vandyke.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: SirGalahad Date: August 4, 2021, 2:40 am
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@90sRetroFan Because a lot of the stories in the Bible are
historically dubious enough to the point where the only real
usefulness that can be extracted from them, is the archetypes
that they represent. For one, Cain was the archetypal farmer,
and Abel was the archetypal herder. Combined with the fact that
Abel's offering of flesh was what set off Cain's murder attempt,
there's at least some evidence that what Cain did was
justified. There is zero evidence in the case of Vandyke. Again,
we have no motive at all. All we know is that some random man
killed some random boy who we happen to dislike. Even if it were
true that, one, the story of Cain and Abel actually happened,
and that two, Cain really did not kill Abel for the reason we
would consider justifiable, then I would accept the fact that
Cain isn't someone to admire or even to respect. If the criteria
for who this guy murders has nothing to do with whether they
initiate violence, then there's no real reason to label him a
hero
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: SirGalahad Date: August 4, 2021, 2:45 am
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As a side note, I think it's worth mentioning that even if I
wanted to give Vandyke the benefit of the doubt, it doesn't make
strategic sense for us to do so. If we posted the mugshots of
every single guy who just so happened to kill someone we don't
like, then we'd have thousands upon thousands of examples, and
0.001% of them would turn out to be anybody notable when further
information comes to light. I'd rather just use this thread as
an opportunity to shed light on those who are definitively
noble, so that the cases we post on here aren't just filler
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 4, 2021, 3:42 am
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"All we know is that some random man killed some random boy"
We know Vandyke knew Butler:
[quote]the suspect was an acquaintance of the boy’s
father[/quote]
It does not seem contrived to assume he was aware of Butler's
cruel hobby, or had encountered other but similar manifestations
of Butler's cruelty. If I knew Butler and had killed him,
avenging his victims would surely be my motive for doing so.
Thus for me to not at least start off by assuming Vandyke did so
for the same motive would be dishonourable, as it amounts to
expecting less of him than I would expect of myself.
"If we posted the mugshots of every single guy who just so
happened to kill someone we don't like"
That's not what we do. I only drew attention to this story
because our enemies drew attention to it first, just as I only
talk about Cain and Abel because Judaism talked about them
first. This is about turning our enemies' stories against them
by changing the way people interpret these stories.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: SirGalahad Date: August 4, 2021, 2:46 pm
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"That's not what we do. I only drew attention to this story
because our enemies drew attention to it first"
That's true. Fair enough
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Re: Police rightist bias
By: guest55 Date: August 13, 2021, 12:28 pm
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Berlin police not sorry for brutal response: 'Violence part of
system'
[quote]Berlin police say 'the use of violence is part of
Germany's legal system' in response to claims of using excessive
force against protesters at a recent anti-lockdown
rally.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL_MBq9cLRQ
Technically speaking, a rally or a protest is a siege of the
state, which is initiated violence that effects everyone in the
state who does not agree with your siege. The real question
should be though: "Is initiated violence part of the system?". I
think we would argue here that 'yes', initiated violence is
indeed part of the Western system and all Western governments
initiate violence against their citizenry, and especially
refugees seeking asylum. Considering the latter part of the last
sentence it could be argued that all Western governments deserve
retaliatory violence, whether it be in the form of a siege, or
other means. So, even though I do not agree with this protest,
or protesting in general, I do not feel sympathy for any Western
government. Having said that, I do not agree with the Jan 6th.
attack by rightist insurrectionists on the U.S. Capitol because
they are themselves Westerners who would only make Western
initiated violence worse had they been successful with their
coup attempt. If "anti-violence" was a corner stone of the
Western system I would feel different, but it is not, and far
from it actually.
I guess we can also thank the police in Berlin for being
brutally honest.
[quote]L X
1 day ago
If violence is "normal" then expect "normal backlash"[/quote]
A better way to say it would be to say: "If initiated violence
is the norm then expect retaliatory violence.".
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 18, 2021, 10:12 pm
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The correct reaction to someone without a mask (and also to a
bank):
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/daily-caller-shrinks-again-from-reporting-race-in-black-on-white-axe-attack<br
/>(video at enemy link)
HTML https://image.shutterstock.com/image-photo/applause-placard-night-lights-on-260nw-430414207.jpg
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 23, 2021, 10:00 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAkcKORYfEw
Not sure if any reproductive potential was removed, but better
than nothing.
Remember, the more you support:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/operation-gaddafi/
the more of this we can get.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 24, 2021, 9:54 pm
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HTML https://www.jta.org/2021/08/23/global/man-wearing-kippah-beaten-by-a-group-of-10-attackers-in-cologne-germany
[quote]An 18-year-old Jewish man wearing a kippah in Cologne,
Germany, was beaten by a group of 10 attackers in a public green
space and taken to the hospital with a broken nose and
cheekbone.[/quote]
Compared to the choice of target in the previous post, this
choice of target (younger) is more likely to eliminate
reproductive potential. However, the attack itself does not
appear to have done so. Given the Ahimsa activists' considerable
numerical advantage, this is quite a disappointment.
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Re: True Left Breakthrough: Ahimsa
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 25, 2021, 9:59 pm
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It turns out that the Ahimsa activism covered in this post:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/msg8261/#msg8261
was one of a series by the same activist:
HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9925201/Shocking-moment-Orthodox-Jewish-man-struck-face-FOURTH-anti-Semitic-attack-London.html
HTML https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08/25/15/47088219-9925201-image-a-29_1629901395928.jpg
Of course, I consider the 6:41 and 7:10 target choices to have
greater potential for eliminating reproductive potential, but
again the attacks do not appear to have done so.
Bonus detail:
[quote]It was revealed last month that there were 87
anti-Semitic incidents of physical violence recorded across the
capital in May - around four times higher than any point in the
past three years.
All other months since May 2018 saw levels ranging between seven
and 22 incidents per month, a Freedom of Information request to
the Met Police found.
The figures showed 39 of the incidents involved male victims,
while 43 targeted women. In one of the incidents, police
recorded rocks being thrown at a Jewish home in London.
Dozens of other non-violent incidents were recorded across the
capital throughout the month, including one where the word
'Hitler' was written on the ceiling of a communal block of
flats.[/quote]
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