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La Raza Cósmica
By: guest5 Date: May 8, 2021, 9:22 pm
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[quote]La raza cósmica (The Cosmic Race) is an essay written and
published in 1925 by Mexican philosopher, secretary of
education, and 1929 presidential candidate José Vasconcelos to
express the ideology of a future "fifth race" in the Americas;
an agglomeration of all the races in the world with no respect
to color or number to erect a new civilization: Universópolis.
Claiming that Social Darwinism and racialist ideologies are only
created to validate, explain, and justify ethnic superiority and
to repress others, Vasconcelos attempts to refute these theories
and goes on to recognize his words as being an ideological
effort to improve the cultural morale of a "depressed race" by
offering his optimistic theory of the future development of a
cosmic race.
As he explains in his literary work, armies of people would then
go forth around the world professing their knowledge.
Vasconcelos continues to say that the people of the Iberian
regions of the Americas (that is to say, the parts of the
continent colonised by Portugal and Spain) have the territorial,
racial, and spiritual factors necessary to initiate the
"universal era of humanity". [/quote]
[quote]The title La raza cósmica embodies the notion that
traditional, exclusive concepts of so-called "race" and
nationality can be transcended in the name of humanity's common
destiny. It originally referred to a movement by Mexican
intellectuals during the 1920s who pointed out that so-called
"Latin" Americans have the blood of all the world's so-called
"races": European, Asian-descended native Americans, and
Africans, thereby transcending the peoples of the "Old World".
Vasconcelos also alluded to the term when he coined the National
Autonomous University of Mexico's motto: "Por mi raza hablará el
espíritu" ('Through my race the spirit will speak'). [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_raza_c%C3%B3smica
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 18, 2022, 5:32 pm
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Vasconcelos' vision will only be realized after reproductive
Eurocentrism ceases to exist:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/
which we are not even close to at present. Here is an enemy
article on the extent of Eurocentrism in Chile:
HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2022/09/race-and-immigration-in-chile/
[quote]In the 19th century, Chile decisively defeated its two
northern neighbors Bolivia and Peru in what is known as the “War
of the Pacific.” Chile gained vast swathes of resource-rich land
from this conflict, and left Bolivia permanently landlocked. In
the same century, Chile finally and decisively defeated the
hostile Amerindian nation to their south, the Araucanos (who are
sometimes referred to as “Mapuches”), after fighting them
on-and-off for centuries. Just as the War of the Pacific has
many parallels to America’s war with Mexico, Chile’s southward
territorial expansion at the expense of the Amerindians has many
parallels to America’s westward expansion.
...
According to the CIA, Bolivia is five percent white, 20 percent
Amerindian, 68 percent mestizo, one percent black, and 6 percent
other or mixed. Peru is 15 percent white, 45 percent Amerindian,
37 percent mestizo, and 3 percent other. Chile is 88.9 percent
white, 9.1 percent Araucano Indian, and 2 percent other — almost
entirely composed of other much smaller Amerindian nations.
Chile, then, is about five times whiter than Peru and 17 times
whiter than Bolivia.
...
The elite is pure or nearly pure white, while the destitute and
indigent are pure or nearly pure Amerindian. The middle class is
somewhere in between. The upper middle class is on the whiter
side of in between, and so on.
...
The American scholar of race Lothrop Stoddard praised the
whiteness of Chile’s upper classes in his work The Rising Tide
of Color Against White World Supremacy (1921). He is worth
quoting at length:
This ruling gentry jealously guarded its racial integrity.
In fact, it possessed not merely a white but a Nordic
race-consciousness. The Chilean gentry called themselves sons of
the Visigoths . . .
Furthermore, Chile was receiving fresh accessions of Nordic
blood. Many English, Scotch, and Irish gentleman-adventurers,
taking part in the War of Independence, settled down in a land
so reminiscent of their own. Germans also came in considerable
numbers, settling especially in the colder south. Thus the
Chilean upper classes, always pure white, became steadily more
Nordic in ethnic character. The political and social results
were unmistakable. Chile rapidly evolved a stable society,
essentially oligarchic and consciously patterned on aristocratic
England.
...
Like the United States and neighboring Argentina, throughout the
19th century, especially the second half, and into the 20th,
Chile was the destination for a wide variety of European
settlers and immigrants. The largest nationalities represented
were: French, British, Irish, German, Italian, Portuguese,
Croatian, Dutch, Russian, Greek, Austrian, Belgian, Ashkenazi
Jewish, Sephardic Jewish, Swiss, Polish, Hungarian, and of
course, Spanish.
...
The northern quarter of the country is entirely defined by the
immense mines there. The laborers and roughnecks of these mines
have always been distinctly swarthy, while the owners, managers,
and engineers have always been largely of the old Iberian
aristocracy and enterprising Germans and Croatians (when not
foreign, and then predominantly American and British). For
example, the copper mining company, Antofagasta PLC, is run by
the Luksić family, of Croatian heritage. When Andrónico
Luksić Abaroa died in 2005, Forbes put his net worth at 4.2
billion dollars, making him the richest man in Chile and the
132nd richest man in the world. At the time of this writing, his
widow Iris Fontbona is estimated by Forbes to be worth 16.4
billion dollars, making her the richest Chilean, and the 80th
richest person in the world. Chile punches well above its weight
when it comes to billionaires, with a current total of 11. All
of them are very evidently of majority European, Jewish, and/or
Middle Eastern heritage. Six made their fortunes predominantly
in the fields of mining, forestry, and/or paper. Whereas the
first industry is controlled by whites and runs on northern
Amerindian and mestizo labor, the last two are controlled by
whites and run on Araucano labor.
...
Tensions between white and non-white workers got violent as
well. In the early 20th century white workers banded together
informally in what were called “anti-Peruvian leagues,” that
engaged in street and workplace violence and intimidation
against darker-skinned rivals.
...
Chileans have a strong sense of race just beneath the surface.
The connection between race and class, with whites dominating
the upper classes and mestizos dominating the lower classes, is
understood and largely accepted by nearly every Chilean. The
best evidence of this comes from egalitarian whining. One
blogger has a neat summary of the typical conversation about
race between Americans and Chileans:
Chilean person: There are real race issues in the [United]
States.
Me: Yes, there are huge problems. But I think race is a
problem here.
Chilean: No, we don’t have race issues here. We do have
issues with class.
Me: What do you mean.
Chilean: Well, people of lower class are really looked down
upon.
Me: How can you tell who these people are?
Chilean: You just can.
Me: (finding a darker skinned Chilean in the crowd) What
about that person … over there … what class are they?
Chilean: They are lower class.
The whiter the Chilean, the more proud and protective they are
of their whiteness. Marriages between different economic classes
are uncommon, and this protects the European stock of the upper
classes. Demonstrating this empirically is difficult, but the
signs are very clear. Another leftist blogger noted in 2015
that:
A few years ago there was a study in Chile that consisted
[of] presenting ten images of people with different skin colors
and asking people to identify the subjects as Chileans or not.
There was a tendency [of] identifying light skinned subjects as
Chileans and darker skinned ones as Mapuches [Araucanos] (a
Chilean indigenous group), Peruvians, or “foreigners.”
...
When polled, at least a third of Chileans have openly race
realist views, and all polls about racial matters
under-represent how many people hold “racist” opinions because
many people are unwilling to admit them to a pollster. In this
United States this is called the “Bradley effect.” Here are some
results from a 2003 poll of Chileans about Peruvians, the
largest and most historically salient non-white immigrant group.
Chile is more developed than its neighboring countries
because it has less indigenous population. (agree 34.1 percent,
disagree 65.9 percent)
The problem of opening up to the Latin American immigration
is that many of them (Latin American immigrants) are indigenous.
(agree 35.8 percent, disagree 64.2 percent)
Some races are better than others” (agree 32.9 percent,
disagree 67.1 percent)
If Peruvians get too mixed with Chileans the quality of our
people will worsen (agree 33.4 percent, disagree 66.6 percent)
Peruvian immigrants that come to our country are more likely
to commit crimes (agree 43.8 percent, disagree 56.2 percent)
Chile now even has an identitarian movement, called Identitarian
Action Chile, clearly modeled after those in Western Europe and
the United States. Their symbol is El Torreón, an 18th century
fort built to defend the southern city of Valdivia (named for
Pedro de Valdivia, the conquistador) against the Araucanos.
Though still small, the group appears to be growing. It holds
regular marches, demonstrations, and leafleting campaigns
against immigration and for a Chile-first economy.
...
The north and northeastern border should be militarized: more
walls, more patrols, more checkpoints, and more soldiers.
...
Chile should round up illegal immigrants and deport them, as the
Israelis do.
Immigration from white and whitish countries should get
preference, under one guise or another.
...
Chinese immigration should also be halted[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/jose-antonio-kast/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/identitarian-movement/
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 1, 2023, 4:48 pm
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Our enemies on Eurocentrism in Brazil:
HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2023/01/race-in-another-america-brazil-edward-telles/
[quote]Brazilian history is, indeed, very different from US
history. The Portuguese came without women and brought about
seven times as many black slaves as were imported to the United
States. Slavery was not ended until 1888.
Because there were so many blacks in Brazil, in the 1880s the
government actively recruited white immigrants. This led to a
literal “whitening” of the country, and whites argued that
sustained miscegenation would improve the black racial stock.
This notion of improvement-through-whitening remained in force
for at least a century and is still commonly believed, much to
Prof. Telles’s dismay.
...
From 1940 to 2000, European immigration decreased, and the
percentage of whites fell from 64 percent to 54 percent.
Mulattos increased from 21 percent to 43 percent, and blacks
declined from 15 to 5 percent. Clearly there was miscegenation
by whites, but mostly by the bottom fifth of the socio-economic
scale, and mostly with mulattos rather than blacks.
With more whites of both sexes available for marriage, whites in
the middle-class and higher turned their backs on miscegenation,
leading to a de facto color line.
...
In 1988 — 100 years after emancipation — a new constitution
proclaimed an era of racial equality by making “the practice of
racism . . . subject to imprisonment,” and laid the groundwork
for hundreds of local anti-discrimination laws.
These laws, however, are rarely enforced; Prof. Telles cites
only three cases in 10 years. This appears to be the Brazilian
way: lots of laws and much talk, but little or no enforcement.
...
in 1960, an American white man was three times more likely to
have a “professional” job than a black man but that by 1996, the
differential had dropped to 1.6. For women, the white advantage
declined from 2.8 to 1.4. American racism is therefore held
under tenuous control through race preferences and quotas.
In Brazil, Prof. Telles tells us, the gap between whites and
blacks-and-mulattos has increased. He says this is due to a
racial hierarchy devised and enforced by whites for their own
benefit: “Race relations depend on how persons are categorized,
a process in which more powerful persons ascribe and impose
categories on others.” Many non-whites have internalized this
hierarchy and use color to navigate Brazil’s racial labyrinth.
...
Prof. Telles describes a system of exchange in which status,
money, and skin color are all carefully evaluated in the
marriage market, with very little left of the romance of the
racial-rainbow utopia. Everyone wants to marry light-skinned
women, and Prof. Telles depicts painful scenes of the blackest
of women who are left on the shelf.
There appears to be as much racial hypocrisy in Brazil as in the
United States, with whites telling pollsters they have
integrationist beliefs, but acting differently. The issue of
implicit versus explicit racism is the same in both countries.
Despite the myth of the mulatto nation, the Brazilian reality is
that blacks are at the bottom with whites at the top.
...
Police have long been accused of simply shooting down black and
mulatto street urchins.
...
Prof. Telles complains that “while nineteenth century scientific
theories of white supremacy have since become discredited, such
ideas remain deeply embedded in social thinking in
Brazil.”[/quote]
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/argentina/
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 3, 2023, 6:32 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zF5UovmW18
From the comments:
[quote]Great video. I learn so much. Thank you. It's such an
insidious sickness that is imbedded in Latin America. It's very
similar for indigenous people. They are seen as less and even
people that look indigenous deny their own roots. It's very sad.
I even see it in my family and its a big topic of fights between
the younger and older generation.[/quote]
[quote]That "bettering of the race" by Whitening the ppl is
still practiced today. I saw a TikTok video a few months back
where this Afro-Hispanic mother and daughter were playing with a
doll. While the mother was trying to give her BLACK baby a doll
that looked like her, the grandmother was trying to throw it
away saying it's ugly, all the while trying to give her a blonde
hair White doll.[/quote]
[quote]My grandmother refused to believe our 23 and me report
which showed we were 5.4% West African and 5.8% North African.
She and a lot of people of her generation see "darkness" as bad
even though she herself is "prieta." She always insisted on
"mejorar la raza..." which is a tragic sentiment shared by far
too many Latinos.[/quote]
[quote]I'm Puerto Rican and this couldn't be more than true in
my family. There's racism in our families too. Too dark, or hair
too curly or coilly and they will let you know too.[/quote]
[quote]I am at the end of my 90 day stay in Argentina and it has
been an eye-opener. For the most part, people here have been
friendly or neutral. But as a 55 year old, wealthy black
American, I dealt with being ignored by mestizo servers at a
restaurant, being called a "Caco (street thug)" by a white,
young man in the street, and being aggressively stared at by a
mestizo middle aged woman who did not approve that I was
shopping with a young, white woman.[/quote]
[quote]I got in trouble during a family training class when I
asked my Argentinian teacher who was clearly Mesitza what
happened to Native and Black population of the country. She
totally ignored my question, even though her specialty was
familial and generational trauma.[/quote]
[quote]I'm Colombian and only until I grew up to a middle age I
realised how " normalised" racism is to the point where people
even said " I'm not racist, but I don't like black people"
(yes, someone said that to my face and they even felt offended
when I told them that was the definition racism, lol)..
Honestly, there is sooo much work ahead still to do to clean
our cultures from racism...[/quote]
[quote]I'm Panamanian. One of the most celebrated presidents of
our history, Arnulfo Arias Madrid, once wrote an article
praising and advocating for eugenics, as well as a list of
ethnic groups that he explicitly deemed as "undesirable". He
also tried to pass a law to strip Asian-Panamanians from their
citizenship.[/quote]
[quote]He also didn’t want the blacks of West Indian descent to
have Panamanian citizenship either.[/quote]
[quote]As a Mexican, there is a lot of racism in my country
against darker-skinned people. Over here it's often considered
negative to be darker skinned, and most darker skinned people
are portrayed as poor, ignorant, criminals, etc. The word
"prieto" is often used to refer to darker skinned people, and I
notice that in our media, such as movies, novelas, tv shows,
advertisements, etc., most mexicans are portrayed as white, no
matter the region. Mexico has a lot of genetic and cultural
diversity, so it is true that a lot of Northern Mexicans are
white, but this is not true in the south and most of Central
Mexico. People from Chiapas, Oaxaca, Michoacan, Yucatan, and
southern states are made fun of, and "Chiapaneco", "Oaxaco", are
used as insults, due to southern states being portrayed as poor.
I've also noticed in latin-american online communities, being
darker-skinned is negative. Peruvians are often made fun of for
being dark-skinned and "ugly", and there's a lot of
racism.[/quote]
[quote]All brought to you by the Caucasian spanish
colonizers[/quote]
[quote]The deep hatred for our people and melanated skin has
brought sadness in me since I was a child. To think there are
individuals who would rather despise you for being born
different and not the colonizer is baffling.[/quote]
[quote]The white man has taken everything via violence/force.
Haiti understood that[/quote]
[quote]Power is taken it is never given by those who have
it.[/quote]
[quote]and the power house of Europeans is in Europe. Time to
make that trip also.[/quote]
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: guest98 Date: June 4, 2023, 5:35 pm
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It's Spain and Portugal's fault for ingraining this
psychological disease in the minds of the people of south and
central America.
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 22, 2023, 7:54 pm
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Cuba was no better:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanqueamiento#Cuba
[quote]At the beginning of the 20th century, the Cuban
government created immigration laws that invested more than $1
million into recruiting Europeans into Cuba to whiten the
state.[14] High participation of blacks in independence
movements threatened white elitist power and when the 1899
census showed that more than 1⁄3 of Cuba's population was
colored, white migration started to gain support.[15] Political
blanqueamiento began in 1902 after the U.S. occupation, where
migration of "undesirables" (i.e. blacks) became prohibited in
Cuba.[16] Immigration policies supported the migration of entire
families. Between 1902 and 1907, nearly 128,000 Spaniards
entered Cuba, and officially in 1906, Cuba created its
immigration law that funded white migrants.[16] [/quote]
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: August 23, 2023, 1:14 am
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Have 2 Castro brothers or the current one, Díaz-Canel, already
repealed the law?
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: christianbethel Date: August 23, 2023, 5:47 pm
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Why did the Third Reich leadership flee to South America after
WWII? Knowing South America's racism, that just makes them look
bad!
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 26, 2023, 6:53 pm
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Paraguay at least tried:
HTML https://theconversation.com/from-paraguay-a-history-lesson-on-racial-equality-68655
[quote]There’s one unusual and controversial moment that, I
hope, may prove enlightening: the time Paraguay made it illegal
for some people to marry within their race.
...
In 1814, Francia issued a decree forbidding marriages between
“European men” (namely, Spaniards) and women “known as Spanish”
(born in Spain or of Spanish descent). European men would only
be allowed to marry indigenous, mixed-race or black Paraguayan
women.
By preventing the white elite from reproducing, Francia’s decree
had the undeniable potential to allow the newly independent
Paraguay to rise as a mixed-race nation.
...
Intent aside, the 1814 decree did cause the extinction of
Spanish Europeans as an ethnic group in Paraguay.
In that effort, Francia was building on Paraguayan initiatives
to eliminate racial difference that already dated back to
colonial times. Because virtually no European women accompanied
the Spanish conquistadors and settlers who arrived in Paraguay
from 1540 to 1550, all took native Guaraní women as wives.
...
Thus in Paraguay’s early period, there had long been a
considerable degree of racial equality, especially compared to
neighbours such as Brazil or the then-United Provinces
(Argentina).[/quote]
But of course this did not work out, because while the
conquistador bloodlines were not allowed to remain "white", they
were allowed to perpetuate. Thus so did their attitude of
"white" supremacy:
[quote]Mestizo but not post-racial
But equality only held for the mestizo ruling classes. Spanish
law never allowed members of the mestizo majority to marry
minority black or mixed-race Afrodescendant people, though they
could occasionally wed indigenous people.
As a result, a significant divide was maintained between the
ruling mestizo elite and minority populations of black,
mixed-race Afrodescendant and some nomadic or un-assimilated
indigenous tribes.
...
after Francia’s reign, oligarchic governments and military
dictatorships introduced new forms of racism and intolerance to
Paraguay. Today, indigenous peoples still suffer
discrimination.[/quote]
Woke comment:
[quote]the decree very cleverly seeks to enshrine the rule of
the “whitest” part of the population that was not entirely
“white” while excluding those even “whiter”.[/quote]
What Francia should have done was prohibit the conquistadors
from reproducing with anyone at all, thus eliminating their
bloodlines.
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Re: La Raza Cósmica
By: rp Date: December 10, 2024, 11:14 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=30.msg28866#msg28866
date=1733350464]
They also try to argue that Spanish is a superior language
compared to English, which of course we disagree with since
Spanish has gendered nouns/adjectives/etc..
And don't get me started about:
HTML https://www.donquijote.org/mexican-culture/traditions/bullfight-mexico/
[quote]Apart from Spain, Mexico has more bullfighting rings and
high quality bullfighters than any other country in the world.
Bullfighting was brought to Mexico more than 500 years ago by
the conquistadores. In recent years however, many Mexicans have
decided that the event is both unnecessary and uncivilized.
There are mixed opinions regarding the topic of bullfighting in
Mexico, with some people feeling that it is traditional and
other feeling that it should be abolished. Mexico is one of the
eight countries in Mexico where Bullfighting is a legal sport.
Some Mexican states have animal protection laws but
unfortunately for the creatures themselves, and many animal
rights activists, these laws do nothing for the protection of
bulls. Bullfighting has been illegalized twice in Mexican
history but at this moment in time, it is completely
legal.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/uniting-americans/msg16017/#msg16017
[/quote]
I have seen some Indigenous activists say that being indigenous
is not about DNA percentages, but about a "mindset". I agree
with this, as individuals who are not 100% indigenous but who
choose to identify with their indigenous side rather than their
"White" side should be welcomed. This also opens the door for
folkism with non Amerindian "non White" ethnicities.
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