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#Post#: 17230--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
By: Moltke Date: December 25, 2022, 2:54 pm
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Perhaps Hitler didn't want to piss off too many military
generals when he gained power through election? Even though
Hitler himself had served in the military, the Western
structural hierarchy was still deeply ingrained within German
society, the trinity of the government, the military, and the
people, was very much still present. One could certainly argue
that NS military uniforms were still western in design by the
start of WWII.
[quote]Word usage
The Oxford English Dictionary traces collar in its modern
meaning to c. 1300, when collars served as neck-protecting
armour.[1]
History
Today's shirt collars descend from the rectangular band of linen
around the neck of 16th century shirts. Separate ruffs exist
alongside attached ruffled collars from the mid-16th century,
usually to allow starching and other fine finishing,[citation
needed] or to make collar-laundering easier.[2]
During the medieval period and sporadically thereafter, people
wore ornamental collars as a form of jewelry.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collar_(clothing)
[quote]When people are fighting for their existence on this
planet and are faced with the fatal question, “to be or not to
be”, all considerations of humaneness or appearances crumble
into nothing. These concepts are not floating in the air, but
are born in man’s imagination where they will cease to exist
when he ceases to exist. Man’s departure from this world
dissolves those concepts into nothing because Nature does not
know them. They are limited to the men in a handful of countries
or rather a few races, and their value is only to the degree
they unfold from these men’s feelings. Humaneness and
showy-idealism for the sake of appearances would disappear from
the inhabited world if the races that created and upheld these
concepts were lost.
In a peoples’ struggle for its existence in the world, these
concepts are of only minor importance. They are not important in
determining the form of the struggle. If the time comes when
they might cripple the drive for self-preservation in a
struggling people, they must be discarded.
As far as the question of humaneness is concerned, even Moltke
(known as Moltke the Elder, Helmuth Karl Bernhard von Moltke was
a Prussian soldier, Chief of General Staff in 1858 and
responsible for the French defeat in 1870) pointed out that in
war it is essential to make a decision as quickly as possible,
and that the most ruthless methods of fighting are at the same
time the most humane.
If anyone should try to improve us with nonsense about putting
on airs of moral superiority for appearance’s sake or
showy-idealism because it is what they think other people
believe we should do, there can only be one answer: Any question
of destiny that is as important as a people’s struggle to
survive immediately disposes of any duty to demonstrate “proper”
appearances or to be concerned in any way with how we appear to
outsiders. The least beautiful thing that can exist in human
life is the yoke of slavery. Or do these touchy-feely people
find the present lot of the German nation only an appearance to
be viewed by others? We have no need to discuss the matter with
the Jews. They are the inventors of this perfume of civilization
which makes people more concerned with appearances than with
survival. Their whole existence is a denial of the beauty of
God’s creation. — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg.115[/quote]
Certainly alot for Aryanists to disagree with in the quote as
well. Gnostic considerations did not really enter NS thought
until the arrival of Alfred Rosenberg either: (The following
sentence from Wikipedia makes absolutely no sense by the way.)
[quote]He is known for his rejection of and hatred for
Christianity,[2][3] having played an important role in the
development of German nationalist Positive
Christianity.[4][/quote] (?)
[quote]The author of a seminal work of Nazi ideology, The Myth
of the Twentieth Century (1930), Rosenberg is considered one of
the main authors of key Nazi ideological creeds, including its
racial theory, persecution of the Jews, Lebensraum, abrogation
of the Treaty of Versailles, and opposition to what was
considered "degenerate" modern art.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg
Moltke the Elder, Chief of the General Staff from 1857–88,
modernized the Prussian Army during his tenure.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_Army
[quote]Prussian virtues (German: preußische Tugenden) are the
virtues associated with the historical Kingdom of Prussia
(1701–1918). They were derived from Prussia's militarism and the
ethical code of the Prussian Army as well as from bourgeois
values such as honesty and frugality that were influenced by
Pietism and the Enlightenment. The so-called "German virtues"
that include punctuality, order and diligence can also be traced
back to Prussian virtues.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_virtues
[quote]Military dress and styles have gone through significant
changes over the centuries, from colourful and elaborate,
ornamented clothing until the 19th century, to utilitarian
camouflage uniforms for field and battle purposes from World War
I (1914–1918) on. Military uniforms in the form of standardised
and distinctive dress, intended for identification and display,
are typically a sign of organised military forces equipped by a
central authority.
Military uniforms differ not only according to military units
but tend to also be offered in different levels of formality in
accordance with Western dress codes: full dress uniform for
formal wear, mess dress uniform for semi-formal wear, service
dress uniform for informal wear, and combat uniform (also called
"battle/field dress") which would equal casual wear. Sometimes
added to the casual wear category is physical training
uniforms.[/quote]
[quote]End of bright colours
Until 1914 the majority of armies still provided colourful dress
uniforms for all ranks,[23][24] at least for parade and off-duty
wear. These often retained distinctive features from the past.
Most Russian troops, for example, wore the very dark green
introduced by Peter the Great in 1700. German infantry generally
wore the dark "Prussian blue" of the previous two centuries.
This and other features of the historic Prussian Army uniform
were generally adopted by the other German States as they fell
under Prussian influence before and after the Franco-Prussian
War of 1870. Bavarians, however, continued to wear light blue
and Saxon regiments retained a number of distinctions after the
establishment of the German Empire (1871).[25] Two regiments of
the Prussian Guard and one of the Russian were still issued with
the brass mitre caps of the 18th-century grenadier.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_uniform
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Re: Re: Facial Aryanism
By: HikariDude Date: December 25, 2022, 6:13 pm
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[quote author=Billy Kid link=topic=1634.msg17227#msg17227
date=1671995169]
Counter culture era dress
[/quote]
Like Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake's iconic denim
outfits. High in sexual dimorphism but here's a comparison:
[img]
HTML https://www.billboard.com/wp-content/uploads/media/katy-perry-riff-raff-britney-spears-justin-timberlake-mtv-vmas-billboard-650.jpg?w=650&h=430&crop=1[/img]
You can tell which one is from Counterculture-era by the amount
of rhinestones and colors/shades their outfits have. The outfits
of Britney and JT have less rhinestones and were closer to being
monotone than the outfits of Katy Perry and Riff Raff. Not to
mention their accessories and Raff's tattoos. The outfits of
Perry and Raff weren't even denim outfits, therefore have
slightly less quality (if not completely less quality) than the
outfits of Britney and JT.
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: HikariDude Date: December 25, 2022, 8:21 pm
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@Moltke
Interesting to see that camouflage is a distinctly Western
military color. Seeing pre-colonial militaries like Rome:
[img width=1280
height=851]
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and Heian period Japan:
[img width=1280
height=775]
HTML https://i.shgcdn.com/5d6cef81-4d39-4201-a212-2577c1627256/-/format/auto/-/preview/3000x3000/-/quality/lighter/[/img]
now leads me realize more how bland Western militaries are. I'm
also starting to realize that it wasn't until Western influence
when militaries started practicing hiding, where soldiers can
kill another soldier without them knowing. Camouflage suits this
practice while bright colors don't. Back in pre-colonial times,
every soldier, regardless of side, were killing in harmony,
which meant the color of the uniform didn't matter as much.
#Post#: 17243--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
By: Moltke Date: December 26, 2022, 7:57 pm
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[quote]Interesting to see that camouflage is a distinctly
Western military color. Seeing pre-colonial militaries like
Rome:[/quote]
It is interesting to note that as the machines of war become
deadlier the more armies find the need to hide from each other.
Aerial reconnaissance and bombardment, artillery, tanks, and
sniper rifles, have all made it necessary to hide equipment and
soldiers as much as possible. Given enough time I'm sure Western
military's will invent cloaking devices such as the ones found
in The Predator movies as well.
I suppose we could put forth the argument that soldier's hide
from the western machines western civilians invent. Even more
bizarre of a phenomenon when it's worded that way I'm
thinking...
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: guest90 Date: December 29, 2022, 6:03 am
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[quote author=HikariDude link=topic=694.msg17233#msg17233
date=1672021276]
I'm also starting to realize that it wasn't until Western
influence when militaries started practicing hiding, where
soldiers can kill another soldier without them knowing.
Camouflage suits this practice while bright colors don't. Back
in pre-colonial times, every soldier, regardless of side, were
killing in harmony, which meant the color of the uniform didn't
matter as much.
[/quote]
You can clearly see the hunter-gatherer influence with
camouflage, as it allows predators to destroy their prey without
the victim being alerted and thus less able to fight back or
flee in time. This is an ignoble tactic to use in warfare, where
combat and intent should be openly declared, especially if one
is an invading army (after all, if your reasons of invasion are
noble, what reason is there to hide?).
#Post#: 17988--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
By: HikariDude Date: February 18, 2023, 12:29 pm
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I apologize if my question is late but I still don't get how the
NS Uniforms compare with other non-Western uniforms and contrast
with Western uniforms.
If I was making sure of myself, it's because of the uniformity
and the corrupt environment of Germany at the time. Not only
that, but the physique doesn't look overly emphasized enough to
be "Western." Compare with the American sack suit (contrast with
the British and Italian suits):
HTML https://bespokeunit.wpenginepowered.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/British-Italian-and-American-Suit-Graphic.png
Note how the waist of the American suit looks less even with the
waists of the British and Italian suits.
In terms of sexual dimorphism, here's Hitler in his uniform next
to Braun:
[img]
HTML https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/470a339cb4a7f6c4f6c01ceb1c941a5a2661d96d/c=143-0-786-856/local/-/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2014/04/05//1396716586000-AP-GERMANY-HITLER-S-END.jpg?width=300&height=400&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp[/img]
That's what I call coordination. Sadly that faded away after
Counterculture.
But in my opinion, what's more important than the dress code
(even Western dress codes) is what you make of it. Here's Hitler
and his SA members:
[img width=1280
height=910]
HTML https://cdn.britannica.com/39/91939-050-3E884A80/Adolf-Hitler-rally-Germany-1933.jpg[/img]
Hitler's outfit is less decorated than some of the others.
But to be sure, if an individual's outfit is complex, they need
to coordinate with the others. If an individual's outfit has to
stand out, their best bet is a simpler outfit. I still would
like some feedback, even if it's not from 90sRetroFan (though
90sRF can reply if they want to).
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