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Indian attitudes
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 12, 2020, 11:16 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAXHXb-HLak
Some people (unwilling to confront the ugly truth) say the
problem in India is colourism (ie. positive discrimination for
lighter-skinned people, negative discrimination for
darker-skinned people). If this theory is true, then
Northeasterners, who on average are among the lightest-skinned:
HTML https://ojaifilmfestival.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/What-is-Your-Brown-Number.jpg
should tend to receive positive discrimination. But since in
reality Northeasterners tend to receive negative discrimination,
then what is going on cannot be straightforward colourism. What
I suggest is really going on is (as usual) Eurocentrism.
Positive discrimination is not for lighter-skinned people per
se, but for people who remind the discriminators of their
colonizers "whites" (which Northeasterners do not).
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"What I suggest is really going on is (as usual) Eurocentrism.
Positive discrimination is not for lighter-skinned people per
se, but for people who remind the discriminators of their
colonizers "whites" (which Northeasterners do not)."
Unfortunately, mere sociological analyses put forth by
mainstream media do not suffice to provide an adequate
explanation for why such discrimination occurs. I theorize that
there may be a genetic component that can be attributed to the
behavior of such individuals, namely Turanian blood.
For example, it is no coincidence that the conventionally
"white" looking individuals (both in terms of skin color and in
their approximation towards Eurocentrically ideal phenotypes) in
India are the ones that will seek to emulate Western mannerisms,
dress, food habits, communication, etc, all of which are not
necessarily "American", but which are undoubtedly Western. One
could interpret this phenomenon simply as a matter of
individuals wanting to solidify their position in the social
hierarchy, but it can also be viewed as them aspiring towards
the Eurocentric archetypes which naturally appeal to them.
The reason I bring up this point is because the sociological
explanations can easily be used as a cop out (just as can the
"colorism" explanations) by those who are inherently racist and
seek to infiltrate anti-racist groups, be it Zionist agents or
opportunistic False Leftists. Our message should be clear, if
you are a racist, you are not welcome here, irrespective of what
part of the world you are coming from.
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"For example, it is no coincidence that the conventionally
"white" looking individuals (both in terms of skin color and in
their approximation towards Eurocentrically ideal phenotypes) in
India are the ones that will seek to emulate Western mannerisms,
dress, food habits, communication, etc,"
Picture examples would be helpful.
To test your theory, if genes are causing this, then surely by
the same token the Northeasterners who are bullied for looking
"chinky") would be more likely to seek to emulate Sinosphere
mannerisms/dress/etc.? Do they? (If not, the sociological
explanation could account for this by noting that China never
colonized India whereas Britain/Portugal/Netherlands did.)
"One could interpret this phenomenon simply as a matter of
individuals wanting to solidify their position in the social
hierarchy, but it can also be viewed as them aspiring towards
the Eurocentric archetypes which naturally appeal to them."
Another way to investigate your theory is to consider which
Eurocentric archetypes appeal most to the Indian Eurocentrists.
For example, do they prefer British archetypes or Russian
archetypes? If their behaviour is caused by Turanian blood as
you propose, they should prefer the latter:
HTML https://indo-european.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/R1a-thegeneticatlas.png
Do they? (Again, if not, the sociological explanation could
account for this by noting that Russia never colonized India.)
"Our message should be clear, if you are a racist, you are not
welcome here, irrespective of what part of the world you are
coming from."
Definitely.
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www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/lets-talk-about-racism-you-loo
k-south-indian-but-your-sister-looks-indian/story-4DgxcpTrZPC7db
9rqziWgM.html
[quote]“Aap toh south Indian dikhti hai par aapki behen Indian
dikhti hai.” (You look like a south Indian but your sister looks
Indian.)
These words from a decades-old conversation with a Delhi
beautician came back to me when Tarun Vijay, a former BJP MP and
ex-editor of the RSS publication Panchjanya, recently tried to
defend India against charges of racism. “If we were racist,” he
said, “why would have all the entire south [India] which is
complete… you know Tamil, you know Kerala, you know Karnataka
and Andhra… why do we live with them? We have blacks, black
people around us.” (sic) Many south Indians revealed their own
white-skin fixation when they protested against Vijay’s comment
by objecting to being termed black. It is just as telling that
most north Indians would be aghast if they knew that the racial
descriptor “black” is used by Europeans and Americans not for
people of African origin alone but for Indians too, and not just
the dark-skinned among us. The offensive aspect of Vijay’s
statement is not in these sensitivities though, but in his
condescension, the implication that the north can choose whether
or not to “live with them”, and in the othering of the south.
It was an attitude echoed all those years back by that woman who
blurted out in shock on discovering that my comparatively
light-complexioned companion was my sibling: “You look like a
south Indian but your sister looks Indian.” Because in her view,
the standard Indian is gora and from the north, a dark skin like
mine could only belong to a southerner, and a southerner is, of
course, ‘the other’.
Being a Malayali-born and living in Delhi, I am used to such
remarks. In my school years, I remember a reader of The
Statesman writing to the editor: “south Indians are our guests”
and “we” should be kind to “them”. “You southies have brains, we
north Indians have looks,” said a neighbour to Mum one day.
These comments, like the oily-haired, aiyyaiyyo-spouting,
vibhuti-sporting ‘Madrasi’ stock character in old Hindi cinema,
are relatively innocuous manifestations of a problem so deep
rooted that most of us scarcely notice it.
...
Take colour, for one, in the Indian mindscape. White is a
reminder of our colonisers, black the colour of African slaves;
white is the dominant colour of today’s superpowers, black we
associate with a poverty-stricken wilderness; white is linked to
Brahmins i.e. those who work in the shade, black to lower castes
i.e. those who work under the sun. It’s complicated and
convoluted. North Indians, who tend to consider themselves
universally ‘gora-chitta’, bombard light-skinned ‘Madrasis’ with
the inexplicable question, “How can you be south Indian?”, and
are cruel to ‘kallus’ among their own. Priyanka Chopra once
spoke to me in an interview of the ordeal of being black in a
Punjabi household. South Indians too deem light lovelier than
dark. Meanwhile, suicides have been reported in both regions by
victims of colour-related oppression.
Here though is a twist in my tale. My experience of colour
prejudice pales in comparison with the crushing taunts thrown at
one of my closest friends all his life. Kaala kauwa, kaala
bhoot, kaala kaloota (black crow, black ghost, blacky), black as
coal — he has heard it all, from classmates (in a respected
Delhi school, mind you), neighbours, strangers, even relatives
and friends. I saw his shoulders wilt in humiliation as a child,
and each time my heart broke a little for him.
While writing this piece, I asked him why I was not similarly
traumatised. Stressing his conviction that the epithets would
have remained unchanged if he had been north Indian, he reminds
me too that most Indians would not consider me as dark as he is.
True. On the Asian Paints Shade Card of Complexions in every
Indian’s head, I am 3.946 ‘shades fairer’ than my friend and
5.217 ‘shades darker’ than my sister. In the vocabulary of our
contemptible version of racism, then, he is a ‘kaala kauwa’
deserving ridicule, I merit sympathy, and my sister is crowned
an ‘Indian’.[/quote]
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The correct way to undermine this is to keep exposing the extent
of Eurocentrism/West-worship among a considerable fraction of
Indians suffering from colonial trauma:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVuudcpW-MY
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www.gqindia.com/content/white-privilege-indian-tinder-gq-india
[quote]"I think maybe I'm a racist," writes Charu, 31, 14
kilometres away, active 2 minutes ago. "I only want 2 **** u coz
u r white."
...
"I want u 2 pee on me. R u into that?"
...
But Charu's invitation reminded me of a piece I'd read in MW by
Dustin Silgardo, about how men packing more melanin than me felt
they weren't getting their fair shakes on Indian Tinder. Like,
zero hits, bro.
...
In fact, Indian men were complaining the app was broken, or
corrupted by a "no matches bug". What other explanation could
there be for their datelessness?
...
Huh. That's interesting. I hadn't noticed any bugs (beyond the
one match, in making the kind of horrible snap judgment so
frowned upon on Tinder, whom I suspect may've picked up a few
pant-crabs along the way). My Tinder box was full of Indian
girls. A fecund amount. Were my Indian brothers really having so
much trouble with this?
...
So as one might -- as one should, fellas -- like having been
diagnosed with a sneaky case of pant-crabs, I contacted my
recent Tinder matches to see if our relations had been somehow
infec--affected, by my evolutionary lack of skin pigment.
"Are you inclined to swipe right on a white guy more than an
Indian?" I asked 28-year-old Sonali, a friend whose being on
Tinder had initially made me consider that the whole thing might
not just be for douche-tubes.
""I would lean towards the white guys," she said,
...
She's done this six times since January, and has been on only 10
dates -- one Indian, nine whites. "One led to sex and one was
just heavy petting," she wrote. "Both were white."
...
Meera said at one point she used to get 25-30 matches an hour
and had to turn off notifications.
Or maybe you shouldn't right-swipe quite so many dudes?
"Ok," I typed. "How many of those Tinder matches turned into
real dates?"
"Four."
"And how many of them led to sex?"
"Just one. The white guy."
...
"There are so many [women] on there that have really
confrontational messages now," complained my 32-year-old Gujju
friend Arjun, having noticed the Meeras of Tinder adding
conditions and caveats to their profile descriptions recently.
...
Well I guess you haven't matched with Charu yet, Arjun. In her
case, those proscribed come-on lines above might be welcome. But
no. Arjun wouldn't have matched with Charu. Our kinky little
housewife is in it for the palefaces. Palefaces that'll **** on
her.[/quote]
And some people think I exaggerate about Eurocentrism among
former formerly colonized peoples.....
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It was just a matter of time before this obvious inconsistency
was called out. Now is as good a time as any!
www.yahoo.com/huffpost/bollywood-skin-whitening-priyanka-chopra-
195756748.html
[quote]Priyanka Chopra — whom Forbes called “arguably the most
successful Bollywood actor to cross over to Hollywood” — Sonam
Kapoor — winner of India’s prestigious Filmfare Award in 2017 —
and Disha Patani — who starred alongside Jackie Chan in the film
“Kung Fu Yoga” — were among those criticized for posts promoting
social justice and arguing that all skin colors deserve respect.
They previously served as brand ambassadors for Garnier, L’Oréal
or Pond’s “fairness” creams, which are widely promoted in India
as a means of reducing darker skin.[/quote]
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Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: April 21, 2021, 1:39 am
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Wrong way to rebut Eurocentrists appropriating the word "Aryan":
HTML https://twitter.com/vakyas001/status/1381834604580122626?s=19
[quote]
you must be either christian or stupid. oh wait, they're the
same thing.
still worshiping a rotting corpse on a stick. mlecchas gonna
mleccha.
eat beef. drink alcohol. WE WUZ ARYANS N' SHIEEEEET says the
corpse-like untouchable.
😂
[/quote]
This underestimates the enemy. By attacking them for being
"Christian" you are simply leading them to embrace the Turanian
religion.
Also it is important to distinguish between Judeo Christians and
real Christians.
At least he doesn't seem to be a racist (Eurocentrist) though:
HTML https://twitter.com/vakyas001/status/1381769713471135746?s=19
[quote]
judaism is the fountainhead of abrahamic exclusivism and
bigotry. what is with Hindus in the US/UK sucking up to these
abes?
abraham is the adi-asura (a demon of old).
[/quote]
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 21, 2021, 2:51 am
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I am always disappointed to see Indian nationalists bashing
Christianity, when they could be taking credit for it instead:
HTML https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1994-12-25-1994359065-story.html
[quote]"Jesus Lived in India."
In a nutshell, he proposes that the son of Joseph and Mary
traveled to India when young, imbibed the Buddhist philosophy
and world view at the feet of Buddhist monks, then returned to
propagate his findings among his people in Palestine.
...
Mr. Kersten asserts that Christ did not die on the cross but
survived and returned to India.
In the remote Himalayan land of Kashmir, Jesus (known then as
"Issa") lived to a ripe old age as a Buddhist monk, according to
Mr. Kersten. His tomb, he says, appears to be situated in the
Kashmiri city of Srinagar, where, in point of fact, it is
venerated to this day.
Whatever the truth about Jesus,the book is a reminder of the
extraordinary importance India has exerted through the centuries
the human spirit.
Ritual baptism and monastic asceticism are among its exports.
According to Mr. Kersten, even Jesus' parable of the widow's
mite, cited in the Gospel according to St. Mark, seems to be a
reworking of an older Buddhist story.
Another work of Mr. Kersten, to be published in English next
March, enumerates the parallels between the teachings of Jesus
and Siddhartha Gautama, the Indian prince and ascetic who
founded Buddhism.
Mr. Kersten contends that Jesus' original message was hijacked
by the Apostle Paul, who introduced new elements, including
misogyny and the concept that Christ's death absolved others of
their sins.[/quote]
This interpretation would still allow them to attack Judaism.
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: April 26, 2021, 3:24 am
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"Indian" promotes Turanians
HTML https://twitter.com/HinduLiberty/status/1386419692902916096?s=20
[quote]No evidence our ancestors originated in Himalayas or
Vedas were composed there.
Veda-Shastras contain both spiritual and worldly aspects.
Nothing shameful about studying both aspects.
4000 years ago, there were no nation states. Nothing shameful if
our ancestors came from steppe
[/quote]
Turanians must be thought of as anti-Indian. Just because they
didn't consider themselves "White" doesn't mean they were not
racist against the indigenous Indians.
Similarly, just because you don't consider "Whites" Aryan
doesn't mean you aren't Eurocentric. Eurocentrism posits that
the steppe subhumans were "Aryan", which you agree with.
BONUS:
He also promotes the Turanian diet:
HTML https://twitter.com/HinduLiberty/status/1349084000837455872?s=20
[quote]It's ok to have a small portion of prasad. In traditional
Vedic shrauta yajnas, animals are sacrificed and the officiating
brahmin priests consume a small portion of the sacrificed animal
meat.
[/quote]
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 26, 2021, 4:12 am
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"Turanians must be thought of as anti-Indian."
To promote this first requires cultivating pride in pre-Vedic
India.
"just because you don't consider "Whites" Aryan doesn't mean you
aren't Eurocentric. Eurocentrism posits that the steppe
subhumans were "Aryan", which you agree with."
Strictly speaking, Eurocentric Turanists would believe that the
Turanians who migrated west degraded less from mixing than the
Turanians who migrated south did.
I have encountered some Turanist Hindus who believe the
opposite, which is their rationale for supposedly looking down
on "whites": they think brahmins are purer Turanians than
"whites", and won't shut up about brahmin average IQ test score
(~120 ie. even higher than Jews (their emphasis)). These cannot
be described as Eurocentric. Example:
HTML https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/asia/the-ashkenazim-of-india/
[quote]So Brahmins are not same and if you don’t know the IQ of
Bengali Brahmins (average with half standard deviation) vary
among 110-122 as we Kulin Brahmins(well my ancestors had surname
Ganguly) of Bengal have upper limit of IQ 122 which is lot
higher than Ashkenazi.BTW 2 most famous pure living Bengali
Brahmins are Anandamohan Chakraborty,one of the greatest
biologist of 20th century who is more famous for his epic patent
win and another one is Anirban Banerjee who Nobel laureate
signature award in 2007 in field of Chemistry and there are few
inventors o here in USA but the number of highest patents is
only 7 who is only 29 year old.
...
Well Tam Brahmin compares them with Ashkenazi,But Bengali
Brahmin-Baidya say they have produced 5-10 times more laurels in
terms of population than AShkenazi Jew.10,00 population in US
has produced so many names,so if you change it mathematically to
7 million like Ashkenazi,then Bengali Brahmin-Baidya_brahmin
have at least 10 times more achievements than Ashkenazi.
So Ashkenazi Jew are far inferior than us Bengali Brahmin-Baidya
Brahmin.[/quote]
Nevertheless, they measure superiority by Western standards.
Western =/= Eurocentric.
In any case, don't just respond here, use your Twitter account
to challenge the guy directly too!
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: April 26, 2021, 6:17 am
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Another one of the comments:
HTML https://www.aei.org/foreign-and-defense-policy/asia/the-ashkenazim-of-india/#comment-54303
[quote]Well Bengali hall of fame american Amar Gopal Bose died
but we have two other hall of fame inventors still
alive-A.Chakraborty,Bedabrata Pain and we have more than 120 Us
patents/10000 population.
Tamil Brahmin-0 Hall of fame inventor,even rest of India has not
produced any American Hall of fame inventor.[/quote]
So even possessing a high IQ is not enough for him, he wants
innovation! For the record, the Tamil Brahmins are vegetarians,
whereas the Bengali Brahmins are not. The Tamil Brahmins also
possess the lowest amount (among all other Brahmins) of the
precious r1a1a haplogroup DNA favored by Turanists. Coincidence?
Perhaps this could account for why Tamil Brahmins, despite
possessing high IQs, do not use this intelligence to build more
machinery. This is the difference between Aryan and non-Aryan
intelligence.
"To promote this first requires cultivating pride in pre-Vedic
India."
The Twitter account I mentioned says the Vedics simply
"peacefully" migrated and mixed with the Harappans, and decided
to call themselves "Aryan". He is different from the unabashed
Turanists who take pride in destroying the Harappan
Civilization. While it may be true that some of the Harappans
mixed with the Vedics and called themselves Aryan as the IVC was
rapidly decaying (beef eating was prominent), it was far from a
peaceful migration. Also, the word "Aryan" predates the arrival
of the steppe peoples.
"I have encountered some Turanist Hindus who believe the
opposite, which is their rationale for supposedly looking down
on "whites": they think brahmins are purer Turanians than
"whites", and won't shut up about brahmin average IQ test score
(~120 ie. even higher than Jews (their emphasis)). These cannot
be described as Eurocentric."
What else do they consider "pure Turanism" though (aside from
IQ)? Ritual sacrifice? Turanian diet? "Caucasoid" features? High
sexual dimorphism? I mentioned the reverential attitude toward
innovation also, but I would like to know if there are others.
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: April 27, 2021, 2:15 am
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HTML https://twitter.com/BharadwajSpeaks/status/1382676126040879111?s=20
[quote]Did you know?
The word "Ādivāsi" meaning "original inhabitants" was
coined by a Christian missionary in 1930.
Such a word DID NOT EXIST in Sanskrit.
The implication of word is that non tribal Hindus are ALL
outsiders to India . They inserted this word even in
constitution.[/quote]
It wasn't until reading Aryan Diffusion that I learned the
so-called "Adivasi" were actually the Vanavasi. This makes sense
considering that "Vanavasi" itself means "forest dweller" in
Sanskrit, which obviously refers to the primitives whom the IVC
people would have encountered.
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 27, 2021, 2:54 am
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"IQ"
I suggest using the term "IQ test score" instead. Using "IQ"
makes it sound like it is something real, whereas "IQ test
score" makes it clear that it is merely the score for a
particular Western test known as an IQ test.
"What else do they consider "pure Turanism" though (aside from
IQ)? Ritual sacrifice? Turanian diet? "Caucasoid" features? High
sexual dimorphism? I mentioned the reverential attitude toward
innovation also, but I would like to know if there are others."
I would like to suggest one: ornamentation.
Before Turanian diffusion:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harappan_architecture
[quote]sculpture have no integral role in architecture. They
found separately.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecture_of_India#Indus_Valley_Civilization_(2600_BCE_%E2%80%93_1900_BCE)
[quote]Architectural decoration is extremely minimal[/quote]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/Archaeological_Ruins_at_Moenjodaro-108221.jpg/800px-Archaeological_Ruins_at_Moenjodaro-108221.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Other_side_of_Moenjodaro_by_Usman_Ghani.jpg/800px-Other_side_of_Moenjodaro_by_Usman_Ghani.jpg
After Turanian diffusion:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/City_of_Kushinagar_in_the_5th_century_BCE_according_to_a_1st_century_BCE_frieze_in_Sanchi_Stupa_1_Southern_Gate.jpg/800px-City_of_Kushinagar_in_the_5th_century_BCE_according_to_a_1st_century_BCE_frieze_in_Sanchi_Stupa_1_Southern_Gate.jpg
I find the contrast even stronger in sculpture.
Before Turanian diffusion:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/WLA_brooklynmuseum_Harappa_Miniature_Votive_Images_2.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Valle_dell%27indo%2C_barca_a_forma_di_toro%2C_periodo_kot-dijan%2C_2800-2600_ac_ca._%28coll._priv.%29_02.jpg/800px-Valle_dell%27indo%2C_barca_a_forma_di_toro%2C_periodo_kot-dijan%2C_2800-2600_ac_ca._%28coll._priv.%29_02.jpg
After Turanian diffusion:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Indian_-_A_Votive_Figurine_-_Walters_25249_-_Three_Quarter_Left_%28cropped%29.jpg/483px-Indian_-_A_Votive_Figurine_-_Walters_25249_-_Three_Quarter_Left_%28cropped%29.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c4/MET_DP253249_%28cropped%29.jpg/507px-MET_DP253249_%28cropped%29.jpg
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: April 27, 2021, 3:35 am
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"I suggest using the term "IQ test score"
I see. So those who score high on IQ tests may or may not be
Aryan depending on what they pursue. Those who score high on the
test may merely view it as a means toward an end to obtain
greater academic qualifications and thus more money, or they may
view it as something worth valuing in and of itself, and hence
will value the Western definition of "intelligence" and aspire
toward proving the worthiness of this "intelligence" through
innovation.
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Re: Indian Attitudes
By: rp Date: May 2, 2021, 2:13 am
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Hindus argue whether their culture is a product of Steppe or
Valley blood, and which part they should embrace:
HTML https://twitter.com/blog_supplement/status/1388017869661908995?s=20
[quote]Something modern H will not like to hear: From the
mahAbharata we learn that some of our founding fathers carried
out mass hunts of wildlife for food (probably doubled for
military training) v.similar to the Chingizid Mongols. That
suggest it was possibly an old steppe thing.[/quote]
HTML https://twitter.com/Hindu_OSINT/status/1388019064816103428?s=20
[quote]Hindu OSINT
@Hindu_OSINT
Replying to
@blog_supplement
It's amazing how memories of our Nomadic past still survive even
in our second generation scriptures.
[/quote]
HTML https://twitter.com/ImperiumHindu/status/1388119088153579527?s=20
[quote]Hindus have history of indus valley civilization.
They are not some barbarians from steppes.
Deal with it man.[/quote]
I believe there is hope for the third tweeter. While he
incorrectly says in another tweet that Vedic culture is from the
Indus Valley, he at least possesses enough nobility to reject
steppe barbarism as "Hindu" culture. The correct narrative is to
recognize that "Hindu" culture does indeed originate in the IVC
as etymologically it refers to the religion practiced by the
Indus people, but that Vedic culture does not, which by default
makes Vedism necessarily anti-Hindu. So as a true Hindu, you
should reject Vedism.
Contrast this to the Turanists who are happy to claim steppe
ancestry (and to add insult to injury claim this makes them
"Aryan"), and are proud of the nomadic barbarism of Vedism.
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