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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 6, 2023, 8:04 pm
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"the only people talking about it are rightists"
We are people too!
"eco-fascist"
We proudly embrace this name for ourselves:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/plebian-hubris/msg16715/#msg16715
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/green-wave/msg15586/#msg15586
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-seriousness-in-environmentalism/msg10452/#msg10452
"Is there a way we can reclaim this talking point, and make it
distinctly leftist? It wasn’t until after the industrial
revolution did the population start to really creep up, so the
real blame still lies with the west and the countries that
adopted westernisation."
This is the way!
"But because worries of overpopulation are directed towards
‘non-white’ countries i.e. China and India, it’s ‘non-whites’
who get all the blame"
The populations of China, India, etc. are indeed too high. At
the same time as we encourage state control over reproduction,
we also encourage mass emigration from these countries into the
former Western colonial powers which caused the problem in the
first place:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/population-and-demographics/msg6837/#msg6837
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/climate-refugees/msg10011/?topicseen#msg10011
It is only fair that the former Western colonial powers be
required to absorb the excess population of these countries
above their respective pre-industrial carrying capacities.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: HikariDude Date: January 6, 2023, 10:20 pm
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Don't forget the rightists who blame Christians and Muslims for
overpopulation, then contrast them with Jews considering them
"minorities." Judaism is responsible for the root of the problem
you're discussing:
[img width=1280
height=669]
HTML https://dailyverses.net/images/en/niv/xl/genesis-1-28.jpg[/img]
As NuminousSun (now guest5 and maybe NSFAN) said, Jesus and
Mohammed never cared about gaining massive support.
The reason why there's so many Christians and Muslims is because
anyone can follow the example of individuals like Jesus and
Mohammed.
Also the reason why Judaism has fewer people is because being
Jewish isn't even on faith (non-physical trait) but on physical
traits like bloodline and tribalism. Not to mention that it's
difficult to convert.
The fact that Judaism encourages its distinct quote (mentioned
above) is the root of why so many people existed, corrupting the
planet.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 3, 2023, 10:37 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/keto-diet-worst-diet-both-180936920.html
[quote]The keto diet, a low-carb and high-fat eating plan
despised by nutritionists, is not only bad for your body,
according to recent research findings — it's also bad for the
environment.
Researchers at Tulane University ranked six popular ways of
eating, including the keto diet, according to their average
nutritional value and environmental impact. Their findings,
published March 1 in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition,
showed a correlation between healthy eating and low carbon
emissions.
While the study didn't touch on every diet trend, the
researchers considered the daily diets of more than 16,000
adults surveyed between 2005 and 2010. Then, they split the
individual data into six diet groups: keto, paleo, vegan,
vegetarian, pescetarian, and omnivore.
They found that the average keto eater generates almost 3 kg of
carbon dioxide for every 1,000 calories consumed — that's four
times the carbon footprint of a similarly-sized vegan plate.
...
Food systems account for more than one-third of global
greenhouse gas emissions, according to a UN-backed study
published in 2021.
Going keto requires dieters to consume about 70% of their
calories from fat and almost no carbohydrates, so many followers
of the diet opt for animal products with high amounts of fat and
protein.
Beef production is a major driver of carbon emissions, so the
researchers weren't surprised that the keto diet had the largest
carbon footprint of the diets studied.
The keto diet was followed by paleo, a regimen based on what
humans were thought to eat before farming. The diet cuts out
grains and legumes in favor of lean meats; fruits, vegetables,
nuts, and seeds also make an appearance on the paleo plate. The
ancient eating plan was associated with 2.6 kg of carbon dioxide
per 1,000 calories consumed.
On the other end of the spectrum, the vegan diet was associated
with the least amount of greenhouse gas emissions.
...
The authors concluded that if just a third of the study's
omnivores began following a vegetarian diet, it would be
equivalent to eliminating 340 million passenger vehicle miles on
an average day.[/quote]
We are just better.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 10, 2023, 6:44 pm
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HTML https://www.nationalobserver.com/2023/03/07/news/white-men-super-spreaders-climate-denialism
[quote]White men are the super spreaders of climate denialism
...
Researchers have found a tight relationship between harmful
forms of masculinity, right-wing extremism and the refusal to
deal with the climate crisis. Fostered by the fossil fuel
industry, this confluence has been dubbed "petro-masculinity" by
Cara Daggett, a Virginia Tech professor and climate sociologist,
to describe a form of masculinity where using fossil fuels is a
way to express an individualistic and patriarchal type of
masculinity.
Symbols of petro-masculinity, like souped-up trucks and highly
gendered divisions of labour, show up repeatedly in climate
disinformation where they simultaneously hinder climate action
and fuel authoritarianism. Environmentalists and politicians
must consider this mindset in their efforts to tackle the
climate crisis, gender inequality and political polarization,
she said.
Fossil fuels provide petrol and plastic. But for some people —
particularly white, conservative, North American men — they
underpin culture, she explained. Measures to phase them out in
the face of climate catastrophe can easily be perceived as a
threat to these people's sense of culture and self-worth,
imposed by a vague group of elites. These perceptions serve to
make climate action a political hot potato.
"We've seen … the climate denial groups morph into (misogyny)
seamlessly, in a way that indicates it's a core value,"
explained Michael Khoo, a strategic communications expert and
former lead campaigner for Greenpeace Canada. "A lot of those
groups have been part of building the infrastructure of the
radical right-wing, which is now an amorphous hotbed of vitriol
that has taken on energy policy as a core tenet."
...
Recent years have seen Peterson increasingly delve into the
climate change conversation, largely by denying it exists and
presenting erroneous pseudo-science to back up his claims. Take
recent tweets promoting a pro-fossil fuel lobbyist or falsely
suggesting climate measures will allow "tyrants" to take away
people's "cars," "flights," or "luxury."
...
Senior researcher Cosmin Dzsurdza regularly attacks climate
action — most recently plans to reduce emissions from
fertilizer, bolstering months of disinformation and conspiracy
theories — and progressive gender politics. A 2019 Canada's
National Observer investigation uncovered that he has strong
links to far-right groups.
Still, University of Regina climate sociologist Emily Eaton
warned that while Peterson and his ilk take “up a lot of room
and [do] a lot of damage," the fossil fuel industry poses an
equal, or larger, threat.
"Behind the scenes, the industry has been working at ensuring
their workers identify with a suite of things that are highly
masculinized," like big trucks and "hard work" in the oilpatch,
she explained. Peterson is "reflecting back something deeper and
much more grassroots" that has been fostered by oil and gas
companies and lobby groups for decades.
The fossil fuel industry "very knowingly" ties its products to
nostalgia for a post-Second World War society where fossil fuels
and patriarchy dominate, she said. Take a recent ad for a job at
Suncor's Port Moody, B.C. marine terminal, where a short video
touting the company's history extracting oil in northern Alberta
frames its first refinery as "historic" and a "leap of faith"
towards what former Alberta premier Ernest Manning dubbed the
"continual progress and enrichment of mankind."
...
"Losing oil is seen as a threat to that way of life — and it
is," particularly for white men in industries linked to fossil
fuels, she said. Governments and environmentalists need to
acknowledge this, she added, and devise ways to tackle the
cultural and economic shifts it entails.[/quote]
Environmentalism should be openly, explicitly and proudly
anti-Western.
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Re: Climate, Weather, and Climate Effects, 2020 and Beyond
By: Veganism Date: March 29, 2023, 1:31 am
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Here's why we need to rethink veganism
[quote]A brief climate change video essay on the environmental
impacts of veganism, and how we can reframe going vegan less as
a lifestyle and more as an aspiration. While eating a
plant-based diet does greatly reduce your carbon footprint due
to the meat industry's rampant fossil fuels use, going vegan is
sometimes not accessible to all.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SdhrN0V7dk
Comments:
[quote]People everywhere need to follow the world-class
role-model of Greta Thunberg who is vegan first and foremost for
ethical reasons. We need a vegan world PDQ including for
climate/environment, human health, world hunger, and world peace
reasons. There are zero non-vegan environmentalists and zero
non-vegan feminists. All people can be vegan. Evil traditions
must end.[/quote]
[quote]The food desert issue (fresh produce) is a problem
regardless of being vegan. Beans are as readily available as
hotdogs in corner stores and dollar stores. I say this as
someone who is disabled, has experienced the food desert, and
has to eat plant-based for my health. Beans have always been the
poor man's protein. But everyone needs fresh fruits and veggies
for good health, even meat-eaters.
Also, this video overestimates the amount of native land for
grazing. Most of the land used for grazing was deforested
decades ago, it's nearly all overgrazed, and would be better
returned to nature. If truly natural pastures and hunting of
overpopulated animals were the only sources of meat for
consumption, then the consumption of meat would reduce
95-99%.[/quote]
[quote]"Meat alternatives are expensive." HAVE I BEEN
UNDERPAYING FOR BEANS!?[/quote]
[quote]The reason "specialty" vegan products like tomatoes (lol)
are more expensive than a McDonalds cheeseburger has everything
to do with what industries the government is subsidizing — and
that can change.[/quote] [quote]You can be vegan/vegetarian
without spending lots of moiney on expensive substitutes. Also,
if healthier foods and local produce were subsidized the same
way livestock production is, it would be far more accessible
than it currently is[/quote]
[quote]"Traditions are just peer pressure from dead relatives"
Obviously there's good traditions but there's horrible ones too
that just need to go[/quote]
[quote]another thing we need to put more emphasis on is eating
locally and seasonally grown vegetables & fruit[/quote]
[quote]I dont understand the point about using land efficiently
in the US. 80% of plant food we grow here is used to feed
livestock. Thats a huge middleman we would be cutting.[/quote]
[quote]I am vegan myself and think there can be an all or
nothing tendancy. So many people say "I would go vegan but for
cheese" In that case then eat cheese and have the rest of your
diet be plant based[/quote]
[quote]The I "am" vegan is so paper thin. People are just as
offended if I say "I don't eat animals." The guilt on their part
is the problem, not our semantics.[/quote]
[quote]We don't stay vegan for the environment though. Once you
value animal life it's extremely hard to go back[/quote]
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 19, 2023, 7:18 pm
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At last!
HTML https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/watch-live-mayor-eric-adams-makes-climate-and-food-related-announcement-from-nyc-health-hospitals-culinary-center/
[quote]NEW YORK -- Mayor Eric Adams wants New Yorkers to eat
less meat to help combat climate change.
"Food is the third-biggest source of cities' emissions right
after buildings and transportation. But all food is not created
equal. The vast majority of food that is contributing to our
emission crises lies in meat and dairy products," Adams said.
According to new data released by the city, 20% of the Big
Apple's greenhouse gas emissions come from food production and
consumption. The mayor is now vowing to reduce the city's
food-based emissions at agencies by 33% in the next seven years
and challenging the private sector to follow suit.[/quote]
How our enemies are reporting the story:
HTML https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/nycs-vegan-mayor-eric-adams-to-limit-amount-of-meat-people-can-eat-to-combat-climate-change/
[quote]Last year children in New York City schools, who were
already subjected to “Meatless Mondays” were also forced to
participate in “Vegan Fridays.”
NYC Mayor Eric Adams forced his vegan diet (doesn’t consume any
animal products) of vegetables and fake meat and bean slop onto
children.
...
Last year Adams said he wants all New Yorkers to join the vegan
cult.
“I’ve got to get New Yorkers to eat a plant-based centered
life,” Adams said last February.
...
Eric Adams wants all New Yorkers to adopt his nutrient-deficient
vegan diet and if they don’t, he will do it by force.[/quote]
Sounds good to me.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: antihellenistic Date: April 29, 2023, 10:53 pm
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Hitler always serious on environmentalism
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Re: China: The ocean is not Japan's trash can
By: christianbethel Date: May 9, 2023, 6:30 pm
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The irony of the only country to be nuked (twice) now resorting
to nuclear pollution... This is what happens when a non-Western
country develops a colonial mindset due to American occupation.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: seriousness in environmentalism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 6, 2023, 12:05 am
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[img]
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:)
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Re: Western Democracy
By: guest98 Date: July 26, 2023, 4:53 pm
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HTML https://thewire.in/environment/london-calling-climate-rishi-sunak-conservative
Can Democracy Deal With the Climate Apocalypse?
[quote]
It feels like apocalypse now!
Floods, storms, heatwaves, wildfires, crop failures and melting
ice caps. Natural disasters happen now and again. But not like
this. Climate change is all around us, in every continent. It’s
by far the biggest existential crisis our planet faces. And
what, exactly, are we doing about it?
It’s not simply our problem; it’s our fault.
Everyone knows this, but there’s not much urgency in taking
action to reduce our carbon emissions. For politicians, there’s
the perpetual temptation to take the course of least resistance
– because they will be long gone before the full scale of the
disaster is evident. And voters tend to duck the immediate pain
of tackling global warming in favour of a softer, more gradual,
‘let’s not panic just yet’ approach. Democracy may well be the
best form of government – but it isn’t always at its best in
dealing with ‘slow burn’ problems.
Both main British political parties are getting nervous
all-of-a-sudden about championing the green agenda.
All political observers thought – given the unpopularity of
Rishi Sunak’s Conservative government – that this would be an
easy Labour victory. They were wrong.
The reason: the Labour Mayor of London is about to introduce a
daily charge of about Rs 1,250 for anyone driving an old and
high polluting car or van anywhere in the capital. That’s on top
of the Rs 1,500 ‘congestion charge’ that any vehicle owner has
to pay for every day they bring their car into central London.
The new charge would affect about one-in-ten of those cars and
vans currently in use. The aim is to force dirtier cars off the
road, and so reduce air pollution and cut carbon emissions. But
the people who drive these older cars are exactly those who
can’t afford to trade up to something newer and cleaner. And the
wider sense that Labour is penalising ordinary people to promote
climate change goals which many see more as desirable than
essential is eating into their support in the areas of outer
London that will be most affected.
The Labour Party seems to be taking note that bold moves to
address climate change which hit its supporters in the wallet
will make it harder for them to win the next election.
the Conservatives have had – for a right-of-centre pro-market
party – a creditable record on environmental issues. But some
within their ranks are urging the party to abandon ‘costly and
unpopular’ green policies.
Rishi Sunak is not an enthusiastic environmentalist. He’s not a
climate change denier, but just doesn’t see the issue as a
priority. He may well be tempted to back-pedal on carbon
emission measures in his increasingly desperate search for
votes.
It’s difficult to see where that leadership will now come from.
After all, a young Swedish woman, Greta Thunberg, has done more
to alert the world to the perils of global warming than all our
elected leaders combined.
While we all waste time, the crisis becomes ever more profound.
And if we slide into a climate meltdown, that will be a disgrace
for democracy and our collective failure.
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