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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 25, 2022, 3:18 am
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They have the same attitude to religion, assuming all religious
extremists share a stereotype despite them being extreme about
religions with different teachings! This never made any sense to
me. There was also the underlying presumption that all religious
extremism is bad. Why? If the religion itself is good, the more
extreme you are about following it, clearly the better you are!
They just fear extremism for being extreme, without regard for
the content of the extremism. These are probably the same types
who lack the ability to tell the difference between initiated
violence and retaliatory violence, instead considering both
equally bad. (They have annoyed me since childhood with bullshit
about how I will only succeed in converting meat-eaters to
veganism by being nice to them in all circumstances (even when
they are literally killing animals in front of me) "so that they
cease to fear veganism as something extreme". WTF?! The reason
meat-eaters aren't vegan is not because they "consider veganism
extreme" but because they don't care about the animals! I don't
want to convert meat-eaters in the first place; I want to kill
them using the same methods they are OK with being used to kill
their victims! But when I say this, I am accused of "making
vegans look extreme".)
"left-leaning"
Which means we are the ones constantly having to expend extra
energy to distinguish ourselves from them and clarify that they
do not represent serious leftist thinking, thereby putting us at
an even bigger disadvantage compared to rightists who do not
have this problem.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: SirGalahad Date: January 25, 2022, 5:16 pm
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Not to mention that very often, massive problems require extreme
solutions to solve in the first place. Using "extremist" or
"radical" as a specifically negative catch-all term is foolish.
"They have annoyed me since childhood with bullshit about how I
will only succeed in converting meat-eaters to veganism by being
nice to them in all circumstances"
This drives me (quite literally) mad. What irks me the most is
that 99% of the people saying this are non-vegan themselves. If
you couldn't convince yourself to be vegan, why the **** would
anyone take YOUR advice when you claim to know how to convert
people? You're unintentionally admitting that you shouldn't be
listened to. They're basically politely telling you to shut up,
because non-humans are so oppressed that nobody even wants to
hear about or be bothered with their plight, and on the rare
occasions that it IS brought up in discussions, people forget
entirely about the non-human's perspective in all of this. "It's
all up to dietary choice. I'll respect vegans as long as they
respect my right to eat meat." "I just don't like the vegans
that force it on people" (neglecting the fact that carnism is
forced on non-humans). "We need to eat plant-based for the
environment." Etc etc. The psychopathic tunnel vision is so
strong in carnists, that they register merely bringing up and
vouching for veganism as force, and the exploitation and murder
of billions of living beings as non-force. Cows, pigs, chickens,
and really any non-human deemed socially acceptable to imprison,
exploit and slaughter, are openly and proudly viewed as complete
non-entities. Now, if only I had the power to snap my fingers
and put any carnist in the situation they willingly place
non-humans in
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: Zea_mays Date: January 30, 2022, 5:38 am
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[quote]They just fear extremism for being extreme, without
regard for the content of the extremism.[/quote]
As an additional coping mechanism for their fear, they have
turned to self-aggrandizement! For example, I've seen countless
people seriously bring up the "horseshoe theory" (which is not
even a "theory", much less a logically-consistent idea)--which
is basically a way to say "Anyone who is unideological like me
is good; anyone who has an ideology is bad."
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
And for fun, here is a forum to make fun of these morons who
make a false equivalency between leftism and rightism:
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/
[quote]This drives me (quite literally) mad. What irks me the
most is that 99% of the people saying this are non-vegan
themselves.[/quote]
It reveals their exploitive character in its rawest form.
They are basically saying "Gratify me first, and if I am
entertained enough, _maybe_ I will consider your perspective.
But, if you slip up, I will mock you, because even in defiance I
can derive gratification from you."
i.e. "I am going to attempt to exploit you, because I don't
value you in the first place."
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: guest55 Date: February 1, 2022, 1:50 pm
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[quote]It reveals their exploitive character in its rawest form.
They are basically saying "Gratify me first, and if I am
entertained enough, _maybe_ I will consider your perspective.
But, if you slip up, I will mock you, because even in defiance I
can derive gratification from you."
i.e. "I am going to attempt to exploit you, because I don't
value you in the first place."[/quote]
Alot of this going on out there!
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 9, 2022, 9:37 pm
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HTML https://archive.is/j9e22
[quote]Status Anxiety Is Blowing Wind Into Trump’s Sails
...
Over the past six decades, according to Petersen, there has been
a realignment of the parties in respect to their position as
pro-establishment or anti-establishment: “In the 1960s and 1970s
the left was associated with an anti-systemic stance but this
position is now more aligned with the right-wing.”[/quote]
Yes, because in the 60s-70s the establishment had been shaped by
traditional Western civilization. Today's establishment, on the
other hand, has been significantly shaped by the Counterculture.
[quote]Instead of focusing on the economic system and its
elites, Hartwich continued,
Right-wing populists usually identify what they call liberal
elites in culture, politics and the media as the “enemies of the
people.” Combined with the rejection of marginalized groups like
immigrants, this creates targets to blame for dissatisfaction
with one’s personal situation or the state of society as a whole
while leaving a highly unequal economic system intact.
Right-wing populists’ focus on the so-called culture wars, the
narrative that one’s culture is under attack from liberal
elites, is very effective because culture can be an important
source of identity and self-worth for people. It is also
effective in organizing political conflicts along cultural,
rather than economic lines.
...
Diana Mutz, a political scientist at the University of
Pennsylvania, described the political consequences of white
status decline in her 2018 paper, “Status threat, not economic
hardship, explains the 2016 presidential vote.”
...
Mutz found that:
Change in financial well-being had little impact on
candidate preference. Instead, changing preferences were related
to changes in the party’s positions on issues related to
American global dominance and the rise of a majority-minority
America: issues that threaten white [s]Americans[/s]’ sense of
dominant group status.
...
Status anxiety has become a driving force, Mitrea and her
colleagues note: “It is not so much current economic standing,
but rather anxiety concerning future socioeconomic decline and
déclassement, that influences electoral behavior.”[/quote]
Hence offering to improve their financial well-being will not
placate them. The only thing that will placate them is to give
them permanent "white" supremacy. This is morally unacceptable.
Therefore we should not be trying to placate them at all. We
should be trying to destroy them.
[quote]Michael Bang Petersen puts it this way:
We know that humans essentially have two routes to acquire
status: prestige and dominance. Prestige is earned respect from
having skills that are useful to others. Dominance is status
gained from intimidation and fear. Individuals who are high in
the pursuit of dominance play a central role in political
destabilization. They are more likely to commit political
violence, to engage in hateful online interactions and to be
motivated to share misinformation.
That this is dangerous does not need repeating.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-we-lose/
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 21, 2022, 11:38 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1cMn5nR0PM
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 12, 2022, 8:03 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhmC26sbGfM
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/groypers/
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: rp Date: April 11, 2022, 1:02 am
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"But not the majority "white" school! They are Eurocentrists."
Literally this. I know many Indian immigrant parents who moved
all the way to another fucking city just to get their children
into a "good" school. But I do not know if it was because they
wanted their children to attend a "White" majority school, or if
it was simply because those schools had shown better academic
performance among their students.
They are still Westerners, as they view academic performance in
the Western education system positively.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: Zea_mays Date: May 14, 2022, 2:20 pm
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[quote]A series of 13 studies with over 10,000 participants
tested the change in Americans’ prejudice following the
presidency of Donald Trump. The researchers found that explicit
racial and religious prejudice increased amongst Trump’s
supporters, while prejudice decreased among those who opposed
him. This research was published in Nature Human Behavior.
[...]
Across Studies 1-9, Ruisch and Ferguson found that support for
Donald Trump predicted “a significant increase in prejudice
towards a range of social, racial and religious minoritized
groups.” Those who generally opposed Trump, including liberals
and conservatives, showed decreases in prejudice in the same
time period. Studies 10-13 provided indirect support for the
mechanism behind the shift in social norms.
Trump supporters perceived that expressing prejudice had become
more acceptable since his election, and this perception
predicted greater personal prejudice among them. As well,
“experimentally leading participants to feel that Trump
supporters approved of his controversial rhetoric significantly
increased Trump supporters’ personal expressions of prejudice
.”[/quote]
HTML https://www.psypost.org/2022/04/donald-trumps-presidency-associated-with-significant-changes-in-the-topography-of-prejudice-in-the-united-states-62880
I.e., tolerating tribalism makes tribalists more tribalist:
[quote]Although these correlational studies cannot speak to
causality, our final four studies provided indirect support for
our proposed causal mechanism of shifting social norms: Trump
supporters perceive that it has become more acceptable to
express prejudice since Trump’s election (study 10), and the
perception that prejudice is more acceptable predicts greater
personal prejudice amongst Trump supporters (study 11).
Providing more decisive causal evidence for this proposed norms
mechanism, we found (studies 12 and 13) that experimentally
leading participants to feel that Trump supporters approved of
his controversial rhetoric significantly increased Trump
supporters’ personal expressions of prejudice.[/quote]
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
By: Zea_mays Date: May 30, 2022, 12:19 am
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[quote]More than 60 percent of Americans who voted for former
President Trump agree with the core tenet of the “great
replacement theory,” according to a new Yahoo News-YouGov poll.
The poll, published on Tuesday, found that 61 percent of Trump
supporters agree with the statement that “a group of people in
this country are trying to replace native-born Americans with
immigrants and people of color who share their political views.”
Twenty-two percent of Trump supporters surveyed said they
disagreed with the conspiracy theory.
Meanwhile, 16 percent of respondents who voted for President
Biden said they agree with the statement, while 71 percent said
otherwise.
Seventy-three percent of Trump supporters agreed with the
statement that there is discrimination against white people in
the U.S. and 18 percent disagreed, compared with 20 percent of
Biden supporters who agreed and 74 percent who disagreed.
Sixty-nine percent of respondents who voted for Trump said that
they are concerned U.S.-born citizens are losing​​
economic, political and cultural influence in the country to
immigrants, while 30 percent of those who voted for Biden agreed
with that statement, the poll said.
The new poll comes a week after the massacre at a Tops Friendly
Markets location in Buffalo, N.Y., that resulted in the deaths
of 10 people and injuries to three others.[/quote]
HTML https://thehill.com/news/state-watch/3499877-6-in-10-trump-voters-agree-with-core-tenet-of-great-replacement-theory-survey/
Who are those 16% of Biden voters who believe this?
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