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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 6, 2021, 10:18 pm
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"Native American languages like Guarani"
These should certainly be taught as part of a decolonized
Classics curriculum in American schools, similar to how Latin
and ancient Greek are taught as part of the Classics curriculum
in British etc. schools:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classics
While Latin is no longer used for daily correspondence in
Britain, it is the default for ceremonial text:
HTML https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2FA4YFK/coat-of-arms-and-latin-inscription-on-old-school-building-harwich-essex-england-uk-2FA4YFK.jpg
This is the role that I can easily imagine Guarani taking in
Paraguay, and so on, and something that the state could
implement with relative ease. If it spontaneously grows to
become the default for daily use too, then great! But the state
should avoid trying too hard with the latter.
"I also feel like it's more expedient for Latin America to stick
to exclusively Spanish"
For daily use this would be more convenient in the short-term.
The regional Counterculture era also used Spanish:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k70mf5ZDDw
so discontinuing Spanish would mean cutting people off from such
works, which is not my intention.
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 19, 2021, 12:06 am
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This latest article by our old enemy Mercer highlights how
differently we and they see language:
HTML https://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/10/u-s-kids-cant-read-write-or-do-math-but-are-no-1-in-critical-race-theory/
[quote]In fairness to the kids, anyone under 50 seems to be
similarly afflicted: This cohort can’t use tenses, prepositions
and adjectives grammatically and creatively, or appreciate a
clever turn-of-phrase, or conjugate verbs correctly. Has anyone
noticed that the past perfect tense is dead in America? People
will relate that they “had went” to school or “had came back
from the cinema.”
Pidgin English is what the young, high-school graduate speaks.
Pidgin English, or Ebonics if black. Oh, yes: Ethnic linguistic
affectation and oddities are treasured as culturally and
politically precious and authentic, rather than just lazy and
plain ghastly.
[/quote]
Dislike of verb conjugation is a healthy instinct. Conjugating
verbs is stupid. It adds no meaning whatsoever to the clause
containing the verb, but only makes it more unnecessarily
complicated.
"I am" "You/They are" "He/She/It is" WTF?? Why??
Ebonics simplifies this to: "[any pronoun] be" This is what
genuine improvement to language looks like. But Mercer does not
see it this way because she is a Westerner.
#Post#: 9471--------------------------------------------------
Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: October 19, 2021, 1:29 pm
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Never thought I'd live to see the day where ebonics are praised.
Aryanism is full of surprises.
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 6, 2021, 10:52 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDE8JiOYnMg
Does Trump have Turanian blood memory?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative
[quote]In Slavic languages, multiple negatives affirm each
other. Indeed, if a sentence contains a negated verb, any
indefinite pronouns or adverbs must be used in their negative
forms. For example, in the Serbo-Croatian, ni(t)ko nikad(a)
nigd(j)e ništa nije uradio ("Nobody never did not do nothing
nowhere") means "Nobody has ever done anything, anywhere", and
nikad nisam tamo išao/išla ("Never I did not go there") means "I
have never been there". In Czech, it is nikdy jsem nikde nikoho
neviděl ("I have not seen never no-one nowhere"). In
Bulgarian, it is: никога
не съм
виждал
никого
никъде [nikoga ne sam
vishdal nikogo nikade], lit. "I have not seen never no-one
nowhere", or не знам
нищо ('ne znam nishto'), lit. "I don't
know nothing". In Russian, "I know nothing" is я
ничего не
знаю [ya nichevo nye znayu], lit. "I
don't know nothing".
Negating the verb without negating the pronoun (or vice versa),
while syntactically correct, may result in a very unusual
meaning or make no sense at all. Saying "I saw nobody" in Polish
(widziałem nikogo) instead of the more usual "I did not see
nobody" (Nikogo nie widziałem) might mean "I saw an
instance of nobody" or "I saw Mr Nobody" but it would not have
its plain English meaning. Likewise, in Slovenian, saying "I do
not know anyone" (ne poznam kogarkoli) in place of "I do not
know no one" (ne poznam nikogar) has the connotation "I do not
know just anyone": I know someone important or special.
...
As with most synthetic satem languages double negative is
mandatory[citation needed] in Latvian and Lithuanian.
Furthermore, all verbs and indefinite pronouns in a given
statement must be negated, so it could be said that multiple
negative is mandatory in Latvian.
For instance, a statement "I have not ever owed anything to
anyone" would be rendered as es nekad nevienam neko neesmu bijis
parādā.
...
Double or multiple negatives are grammatically required in
Hungarian with negative pronouns: Nincs semmim (word for word:
"[doesn't-exists] [nothing-of-mine]", and translates literally
as "I do not have nothing") means "I do not have anything".
Negative pronouns are constructed by means of adding the
prefixes se-, sem-, and sen- to interrogative pronouns.[/quote]
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: acc9 Date: December 20, 2021, 3:46 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fJuoYoZwQ
In the above video, the Hong Kong student studying abroad in New
Zealand told the audience that many Chinese students she knew
would pretend they no longer remember how to speak their
mother-tongue after they've been overseas for a year or two
(sometimes even after only a few months). When they meet up with
old pals in Hong Kong, they would stutter a sentence in
Cantonese but in such a way that it's interspersed with English
phrases like "you know", "I see", "oh my gosh" etc. just to show
how western they have become, when in fact their English is
actually lousy!
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 9, 2022, 8:24 pm
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This is something new!
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/deglobalisation-writing-wall-china-reversing-093000083.html
[quote]In the last two months, staff at subway stations in the
Chinese capital Beijing and the neighbouring city of Tianjin
have been on a mission.
Signs and route maps with English names at the stations have
come down and been replaced with ones with pinyin, or romanised,
transliterations of the Chinese characters.
Instead of maps pointing out the stop for Tianjin Binhai
International Airport, the directions are now to Binhai Guo Ji
Ji Chang. Beijing Railway Station is now referred to as Beijing
Zhan, and Olympic Park is Gaolinpike Gongyuan.
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2Zdtj0kIKLxQ6xT08qwEBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY2OTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/a_0e2a6BL72GWxbyC39amQ--~B/aD0xMzk0O3c9MTk5OTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/south_china_morning_post_us_228/3f2700ecae53d5b44cb0683d5a258887[/img][/quote]
I like it!
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 1, 2022, 8:55 pm
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Here is an almost cartoonish exhibit of colonization:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/joining-asian-american-sorority-taught-130016209.html
[quote]I was raised in a primarily white community in Southern
California. Instead of feeling proud of being Chinese American,
all I wished was for my hair to be lighter, my eyes rounder, my
skin a slightly pinker shade.
I grew up feeling out of place. I tried to blend in as much as
possible through clothing, music and food choices. But still I
would be reminded that I was “an other.” Kids would pull their
eyelids back with their fingers and make sounds they thought
mimicked the Chinese language. A student told me to go back to
where I came from. I deflected idiotic questions ― why I
didn’t have an accent, why my family ate with chopsticks ―
by shrugging instead of challenging the askers. These
microaggressions chipped away at me, forming the foundation of
how I viewed myself.[/quote]
Just the usual Eurocentrist so far. Then what?
[quote]In my second year of college, a roommate asked me to
pledge an Asian American sorority with her.
...
Chi Delta Theta was the first Asian American interest sorority
at the university.[/quote]
Why is it named using Greek letters FFS?! Answer: you are still
a Eurocentrist!
HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
Epilogue:
[quote]In 2021, given the rise in violence against Asians during
the coronavirus pandemic, I took my family to a protest against
AAPI hate. My husband, who isn’t Asian, asked why I suddenly
wanted to protest.
(Photo: Courtesy Of Joanne Saunders)[/quote]
Does anyone feel confident guessing the ethnic background of her
husband?
[quote]A couple of weeks ago, my son told me another student
called him a derogatory name in reference to his Asian
appearance. It hurt to know that our society hasn’t come that
far since I was a child.[/quote]
Neither have you!
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 17, 2022, 8:08 pm
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How colonized is South Korea? Take a look:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/sounds-cooler-english-south-korean-000159635.html
[quote]South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol’s “unnecessary” use
and praise of English has some citizens alleging he has a
“complex.”
Yoon has been heard using English terms on several occasions,
even when the events did not call for a mixing of languages.
In a meeting on June 10 with the leaders of the ruling People
Power Party, Yoon brought up a name change for Yongsan Park, a
newly opened former Korea base for the U.S. Forces.
While suggesting a new name, the president said, “When you say
‘National Memorial Park’ in English, it sounds cool, but when
you say ‘Gukrip Chumo Gongwon,’” referring to the Korean
equivalent of the name, “it doesn’t, so I don’t know what to
call it in our country’s language.”
In another incident on June 8, Yoon spoke about how “In advanced
countries like the U.S., former ‘general attorneys’ are widely
positioned in politics and government,” saying “general
attorneys” in English.
Yoon’s seemingly unnecessary inclusion of English in his
official statements have sparked debate in South Korea as to
whether the new president is showing bias toward the U.S. and
the West more broadly.
...
In another speech, Yoon pledged to make Busan Port an
international, massive “megaport,” with the last word in English
again, despite “megaport” not being a familiar term to most
Koreans.
Main opposition Democratic Party of Korea Representative Cho
Eung-chun stated on an MBC radio show that Yoon appears to have
“some sort of complex about English,” adding that the president
had mentioned Justice Minister Han Dong-hoon’s fluency in
English as one of the first reasons for picking him.[/quote]
HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
Yoon also looks like what we would expect:
HTML https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D39A/production/_123607145_gettyimages-1238869615.jpg
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/south-korea-white-korea/msg8949/#msg8949
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 18, 2022, 5:45 pm
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"White" linguistic fragility:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-bend-over-backward-man-230655154.html
[quote]In Damaso’s clip, the man can be heard lecturing the
women to speak in English because they are in Canada. When
Damaso approaches them and calls the man out for being a racist,
he repeatedly denies being one. At one point, he claims be a
lawyer.
...
"If we have to bend over backward to accommodate, then that's a
problem. Why do we have to bend over backwards? You move to
Japan, you speak Japanese."[/quote]
Firstly, this is Canada, not England. Secondly, this is how the
Western colonialists treated the pre-existing local languages:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Canada#Indigenous_languages
[quote]the residential school system attempted to
institutionally exterminate languages and cultures from coast to
coast to coast. The genocidal methods (such as physical and
sexual abuse, as well as death rates as high as one in twenty
children[69]) resulted in a sharp declines in language use
across all nations,[70] including amongst deaf and signing
communities.[71][/quote]
Woke comments:
[quote]A. WHY is he even listening in on a PRIVATE CONVERSATION
that he is not a part of?
B. why did he feel the need to interject himself into a private
conversation when there is no immediate emergency of life
threatening situation
c. the women were not even talking to him but he feels it’s all
right to interrupt them
d. then he TELLS THEM WHAT TO DO even though he is not a
representative of the state nor has that authority
e. even is he happens to have authority, speaking non-English in
a public space is not against the law[/quote]
[quote]Because that is what privileged, old (middle aged in this
case), white men do.[/quote]
In short, nothing has changed since the residential school era.
[quote]Why? Because he hates people of Asian descent on sight.
That is what racists and bigots do. After all, he is ok with
French for some reason...[/quote]
Good point. The English-speaking settlers never tried to
eliminate French from Canada, nor vice versa. This proves their
motives had nothing to do with principled belief in
monolingualism. As I have previously observed, rightists
actually love multiculturalism, but only when all the cultures
involved are "white".
[quote]I don't understand this mentality. Why in the Blue
HEEELLLLL does anyone care what language another person is
speaking if they aren't part of the conversation? The sense of
entitlement to be able to eavesdrop on the conversations of
total strangers?[/quote]
[quote]I'm very confused. In what way did he have to bend over
backwards to accommodate them?[/quote]
[quote]"Bending over backwards"???? Hey Chief... it is not your
obligation to participate in a stranger's conversation. In fact,
you're mostly likely not even welcome to do it.[/quote]
[quote]Exactly. Poor guy, he's such a victim.[/quote]
[quote]Next time just keep taking and start laughing at them,
and keep speaking louder and start slapping your knee while
laughing louder.[/quote]
[quote]Then point at his 'southern region' and wiggle your
pinkie.[/quote]
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 13, 2022, 3:18 pm
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HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11301335/Schools-branded-racist-trying-improve-pupils-vocabulary.html
[quote]Ian Cushing, lecturer in English and Education at Edge
Hill University, believes tackling the ‘word gap’ – the
difference between the language range of typical middle class
and working class or disabled youngsters – has ‘colonial’ roots.
...
schools were characterising pupils from ethnic minorities and
low income families as ‘deficient and limited’ because they
‘failed to meet benchmarks designed by powerful white
listeners’. The study claims that common interventions, such as
encouraging pupils to speak in full sentences and use standard
English, are ‘tethered to colonial logics’ and blame
marginalised pupils and their families for their ‘apparent
failure to use the right words’.
[/quote]
This was trivially understood back in the Counterculture era:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MePgt0odLBA
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