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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 6, 2021, 10:18 pm
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"Native American languages like Guarani"
These should certainly be taught as part of a decolonized
Classics curriculum in American schools, similar to how Latin
and ancient Greek are taught as part of the Classics curriculum
in British etc. schools:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classics
While Latin is no longer used for daily correspondence in
Britain, it is the default for ceremonial text:
HTML https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2FA4YFK/coat-of-arms-and-latin-inscription-on-old-school-building-harwich-essex-england-uk-2FA4YFK.jpg
This is the role that I can easily imagine Guarani taking in
Paraguay, and so on, and something that the state could
implement with relative ease. If it spontaneously grows to
become the default for daily use too, then great! But the state
should avoid trying too hard with the latter.
"I also feel like it's more expedient for Latin America to stick
to exclusively Spanish"
For daily use this would be more convenient in the short-term.
The regional Counterculture era also used Spanish:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k70mf5ZDDw
so discontinuing Spanish would mean cutting people off from such
works, which is not my intention.
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 19, 2021, 12:06 am
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This latest article by our old enemy Mercer highlights how
differently we and they see language:
HTML https://www.amren.com/commentary/2021/10/u-s-kids-cant-read-write-or-do-math-but-are-no-1-in-critical-race-theory/
--- Quote ---
> In fairness to the kids, anyone under 50 seems to be similarly
afflicted: This cohort can’t use tenses, prepositions and
adjectives grammatically and creatively, or appreciate a clever
turn-of-phrase, or conjugate verbs correctly. Has anyone noticed
that the past perfect tense is dead in America? People will
relate that they “had went” to school or “had came back from the
cinema.”
>
> Pidgin English is what the young, high-school graduate speaks.
Pidgin English, or Ebonics if black. Oh, yes: Ethnic linguistic
affectation and oddities are treasured as culturally and
politically precious and authentic, rather than just lazy and
plain ghastly.
>
--- End Quote ---
Dislike of verb conjugation is a healthy instinct. Conjugating
verbs is stupid. It adds no meaning whatsoever to the clause
containing the verb, but only makes it more unnecessarily
complicated.
"I am" "You/They are" "He/She/It is" WTF?? Why??
Ebonics simplifies this to: "[any pronoun] be" This is what
genuine improvement to language looks like. But Mercer does not
see it this way because she is a Westerner.
#Post#: 9471--------------------------------------------------
Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: October 19, 2021, 1:29 pm
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Never thought I'd live to see the day where ebonics are praised.
Aryanism is full of surprises.
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 6, 2021, 10:52 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDE8JiOYnMg
Does Trump have Turanian blood memory?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_negative
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> In Slavic languages, multiple negatives affirm each other.
Indeed, if a sentence contains a negated verb, any indefinite
pronouns or adverbs must be used in their negative forms. For
example, in the Serbo-Croatian, ni(t)ko nikad(a) nigd(j)e ništa
nije uradio ("Nobody never did not do nothing nowhere") means
"Nobody has ever done anything, anywhere", and nikad nisam tamo
išao/išla ("Never I did not go there") means "I have never been
there". In Czech, it is nikdy jsem nikde nikoho neviděl ("I
have not seen never no-one nowhere"). In Bulgarian, it is:
никога не
съм виждал
никого
никъде [nikoga ne sam
vishdal nikogo nikade], lit. "I have not seen never no-one
nowhere", or не знам
нищо ('ne znam nishto'), lit. "I don't
know nothing". In Russian, "I know nothing" is я
ничего не
знаю [ya nichevo nye znayu], lit. "I
don't know nothing".
>
> Negating the verb without negating the pronoun (or vice
versa), while syntactically correct, may result in a very
unusual meaning or make no sense at all. Saying "I saw nobody"
in Polish (widziałem nikogo) instead of the more usual "I
did not see nobody" (Nikogo nie widziałem) might mean "I
saw an instance of nobody" or "I saw Mr Nobody" but it would not
have its plain English meaning. Likewise, in Slovenian, saying
"I do not know anyone" (ne poznam kogarkoli) in place of "I do
not know no one" (ne poznam nikogar) has the connotation "I do
not know just anyone": I know someone important or special.
> ...
> As with most synthetic satem languages double negative is
mandatory[citation needed] in Latvian and Lithuanian.
Furthermore, all verbs and indefinite pronouns in a given
statement must be negated, so it could be said that multiple
negative is mandatory in Latvian.
>
> For instance, a statement "I have not ever owed anything to
anyone" would be rendered as es nekad nevienam neko neesmu bijis
parādā.
> ...
> Double or multiple negatives are grammatically required in
Hungarian with negative pronouns: Nincs semmim (word for word:
"[doesn't-exists] [nothing-of-mine]", and translates literally
as "I do not have nothing") means "I do not have anything".
Negative pronouns are constructed by means of adding the
prefixes se-, sem-, and sen- to interrogative pronouns.
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#Post#: 10207--------------------------------------------------
Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: acc9
Date: December 20, 2021, 3:46 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fJuoYoZwQ
In the above video, the Hong Kong student studying abroad in New
Zealand told the audience that many Chinese students she knew
would pretend they no longer remember how to speak their
mother-tongue after they've been overseas for a year or two
(sometimes even after only a few months). When they meet up with
old pals in Hong Kong, they would stutter a sentence in
Cantonese but in such a way that it's interspersed with English
phrases like "you know", "I see", "oh my gosh" etc. just to show
how western they have become, when in fact their English is
actually lousy!
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 9, 2022, 8:24 pm
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This is something new!
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/deglobalisation-writing-wall-china-reversing-093000083.html
--- Quote ---
> In the last two months, staff at subway stations in the
Chinese capital Beijing and the neighbouring city of Tianjin
have been on a mission.
>
> Signs and route maps with English names at the stations have
come down and been replaced with ones with pinyin, or romanised,
transliterations of the Chinese characters.
>
> Instead of maps pointing out the stop for Tianjin Binhai
International Airport, the directions are now to Binhai Guo Ji
Ji Chang. Beijing Railway Station is now referred to as Beijing
Zhan, and Olympic Park is Gaolinpike Gongyuan.
>
>
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/2Zdtj0kIKLxQ6xT08qwEBg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY2OTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/a_0e2a6BL72GWxbyC39amQ--~B/aD0xMzk0O3c9MTk5OTthcHBpZD15dGFjaHlvbg--/https://media.zenfs.com/en/south_china_morning_post_us_228/3f2700ecae53d5b44cb0683d5a258887[/img]
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I like it!
#Post#: 13822--------------------------------------------------
Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 1, 2022, 8:55 pm
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Here is an almost cartoonish exhibit of colonization:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/joining-asian-american-sorority-taught-130016209.html
--- Quote ---
> I was raised in a primarily white community in Southern
California. Instead of feeling proud of being Chinese American,
all I wished was for my hair to be lighter, my eyes rounder, my
skin a slightly pinker shade.
>
> I grew up feeling out of place. I tried to blend in as much as
possible through clothing, music and food choices. But still I
would be reminded that I was “an other.” Kids would pull their
eyelids back with their fingers and make sounds they thought
mimicked the Chinese language. A student told me to go back to
where I came from. I deflected idiotic questions ― why I
didn’t have an accent, why my family ate with chopsticks ―
by shrugging instead of challenging the askers. These
microaggressions chipped away at me, forming the foundation of
how I viewed myself.
--- End Quote ---
Just the usual Eurocentrist so far. Then what?
--- Quote ---
> In my second year of college, a roommate asked me to pledge an
Asian American sorority with her.
> ...
> Chi Delta Theta was the first Asian American interest sorority
at the university.
--- End Quote ---
Why is it named using Greek letters FFS?! Answer: you are still
a Eurocentrist!
HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
Epilogue:
--- Quote ---
> In 2021, given the rise in violence against Asians during the
coronavirus pandemic, I took my family to a protest against AAPI
hate. My husband, who isn’t Asian, asked why I suddenly wanted
to protest.
>
> (Photo: Courtesy Of Joanne Saunders)
--- End Quote ---
Does anyone feel confident guessing the ethnic background of her
husband?
--- Quote ---
> A couple of weeks ago, my son told me another student called
him a derogatory name in reference to his Asian appearance. It
hurt to know that our society hasn’t come that far since I was a
child.
--- End Quote ---
Neither have you!
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/reproductive-decolonization/
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 17, 2022, 8:08 pm
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How colonized is South Korea? Take a look:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/sounds-cooler-english-south-korean-000159635.html
--- Quote ---
> South Korean President Yoon Suk-yeol’s “unnecessary” use and
praise of English has some citizens alleging he has a “complex.”
>
> Yoon has been heard using English terms on several occasions,
even when the events did not call for a mixing of languages.
>
> In a meeting on June 10 with the leaders of the ruling People
Power Party, Yoon brought up a name change for Yongsan Park, a
newly opened former Korea base for the U.S. Forces.
>
> While suggesting a new name, the president said, “When you say
‘National Memorial Park’ in English, it sounds cool, but when
you say ‘Gukrip Chumo Gongwon,’” referring to the Korean
equivalent of the name, “it doesn’t, so I don’t know what to
call it in our country’s language.”
>
> In another incident on June 8, Yoon spoke about how “In
advanced countries like the U.S., former ‘general attorneys’ are
widely positioned in politics and government,” saying “general
attorneys” in English.
>
> Yoon’s seemingly unnecessary inclusion of English in his
official statements have sparked debate in South Korea as to
whether the new president is showing bias toward the U.S. and
the West more broadly.
> ...
> In another speech, Yoon pledged to make Busan Port an
international, massive “megaport,” with the last word in English
again, despite “megaport” not being a familiar term to most
Koreans.
>
> Main opposition Democratic Party of Korea Representative Cho
Eung-chun stated on an MBC radio show that Yoon appears to have
“some sort of complex about English,” adding that the president
had mentioned Justice Minister Han Dong-hoon’s fluency in
English as one of the first reasons for picking him.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
Yoon also looks like what we would expect:
HTML https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/D39A/production/_123607145_gettyimages-1238869615.jpg
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/south-korea-white-korea/msg8949/#msg8949
#Post#: 15195--------------------------------------------------
Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 18, 2022, 5:45 pm
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"White" linguistic fragility:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-bend-over-backward-man-230655154.html
--- Quote ---
> In Damaso’s clip, the man can be heard lecturing the women to
speak in English because they are in Canada. When Damaso
approaches them and calls the man out for being a racist, he
repeatedly denies being one. At one point, he claims be a
lawyer.
> ...
> "If we have to bend over backward to accommodate, then that's
a problem. Why do we have to bend over backwards? You move to
Japan, you speak Japanese."
--- End Quote ---
Firstly, this is Canada, not England. Secondly, this is how the
Western colonialists treated the pre-existing local languages:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Canada#Indigenous_languages
--- Quote ---
> the residential school system attempted to institutionally
exterminate languages and cultures from coast to coast to coast.
The genocidal methods (such as physical and sexual abuse, as
well as death rates as high as one in twenty children[69])
resulted in a sharp declines in language use across all
nations,[70] including amongst deaf and signing communities.[71]
--- End Quote ---
Woke comments:
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> A. WHY is he even listening in on a PRIVATE CONVERSATION that
he is not a part of?
> B. why did he feel the need to interject himself into a
private conversation when there is no immediate emergency of
life threatening situation
> c. the women were not even talking to him but he feels it’s
all right to interrupt them
> d. then he TELLS THEM WHAT TO DO even though he is not a
representative of the state nor has that authority
> e. even is he happens to have authority, speaking non-English
in a public space is not against the law
--- End Quote ---
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> Because that is what privileged, old (middle aged in this
case), white men do.
--- End Quote ---
In short, nothing has changed since the residential school era.
--- Quote ---
> Why? Because he hates people of Asian descent on sight. That
is what racists and bigots do. After all, he is ok with French
for some reason...
--- End Quote ---
Good point. The English-speaking settlers never tried to
eliminate French from Canada, nor vice versa. This proves their
motives had nothing to do with principled belief in
monolingualism. As I have previously observed, rightists
actually love multiculturalism, but only when all the cultures
involved are "white".
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> I don't understand this mentality. Why in the Blue HEEELLLLL
does anyone care what language another person is speaking if
they aren't part of the conversation? The sense of entitlement
to be able to eavesdrop on the conversations of total strangers?
--- End Quote ---
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> I'm very confused. In what way did he have to bend over
backwards to accommodate them?
--- End Quote ---
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> "Bending over backwards"???? Hey Chief... it is not your
obligation to participate in a stranger's conversation. In fact,
you're mostly likely not even welcome to do it.
--- End Quote ---
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> Exactly. Poor guy, he's such a victim.
--- End Quote ---
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> Next time just keep taking and start laughing at them, and
keep speaking louder and start slapping your knee while
laughing louder.
--- End Quote ---
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> Then point at his 'southern region' and wiggle your pinkie.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Linguistic Decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 13, 2022, 3:18 pm
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HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11301335/Schools-branded-racist-trying-improve-pupils-vocabulary.html
--- Quote ---
> Ian Cushing, lecturer in English and Education at Edge Hill
University, believes tackling the ‘word gap’ – the difference
between the language range of typical middle class and working
class or disabled youngsters – has ‘colonial’ roots.
> ...
> schools were characterising pupils from ethnic minorities and
low income families as ‘deficient and limited’ because they
‘failed to meet benchmarks designed by powerful white
listeners’. The study claims that common interventions, such as
encouraging pupils to speak in full sentences and use standard
English, are ‘tethered to colonial logics’ and blame
marginalised pupils and their families for their ‘apparent
failure to use the right words’.
>
--- End Quote ---
This was trivially understood back in the Counterculture era:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MePgt0odLBA
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