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True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 3, 2021, 3:50 am
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OLD CONTENT
blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/why-we-should-all-use-they-t
hem-pronouns/
[quote]Across college campuses and in a growing number of
professional workplaces, it is now common to begin meetings by
having people introduce themselves and state their pronouns.
Pronoun preferences are showing up on e-mail signatures
too.[/quote]
The above is False Left.
[quote]These new practices challenge assumptions that gender
identity is always self-evident and that everyone identifies as
either man or woman. But they leave intact the presumption that
gender identity is relevant in all social interactions. Indeed,
having to constantly announce one’s pronouns or choose an
honorific may make gender seem even more important than it
already is.[/quote]
True Left consciousness finally appears! Yay!
[quote]it is not surprising that many seek gender-anonymity in
online chat rooms and in other virtual spaces. Not only do these
spaces allow us to escape judgments based on gender, but they
free us from the obligation to be gendered in the first place.
Sometimes a person just wants to be a doctor or a firefighter,
not a woman doctor or a female firefighter.
What if there were a way to promote gender inclusion—as
announcing pronouns and adding Mx. as an option to airline
reservations seek to do—without running the risk of worsening
gender inequality? We think there is: using they/them for
everyone, regardless of gender identity. We could similarly make
Mx. the salutation for everyone or simply do away with
salutations altogether.
The universal singular they is inclusive of people who identify
as male, female or nonbinary (e.g., “Drew is in my class; they
are a great student”). It avoids the problem of misgendering by
not using pronouns to gender people in the first place.[/quote]
All of which is not only what I have been saying for years, but
indeed how pronouns used to work for millenia in other parts of
the world prior to the colonial era (during which they
shamefully altered their own previously non-gender-specific
pronouns to gender-specific versions for the sake of
Westernization):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-person_pronoun
[quote]In 1917, the Old Chinese graph tā (她, from
nǚ 女, "woman") was borrowed into the written
language to specifically represent "she" by Liu Bannong. As a
result, the old character tā (他), which previously
also meant "she" in written texts, is sometimes restricted to
meaning "he" only. ... The creation of gendered pronouns in
Chinese was part of the May Fourth Movement to modernize Chinese
culture, and specifically an attempt to assert sameness between
Chinese and the European languages, which generally have
gendered pronouns.[80]
...
In the modern Japanese, kare (彼) is the male and kanojo
(彼女) the female third-person pronouns.
Historically, kare was a word in the demonstrative paradigm
(i.e., a system involving demonstrative prefixes, ko-, so-, a-,
and do-), used to point to an object that is physically far but
psychologically near. The feminine counterpart kanojo, on the
other hand, is a combination of kano (adjective version of ka-)
and jo ("woman"), coined for the translation of its Western
equivalents. It was not until the Meiji period that kare and
kanojo were commonly used as the masculine and feminine pronoun
in the same way as their Western equivalents.[/quote]
WESTERN CIVILIZATION MUST DIE.
Back to the main article:
[quote]To be sure, for people who have experienced the pain of
being denied gender recognition in the past, announcing pronouns
can lead to meaningful moments of affirmation. But this may come
at a hidden cost to others. Some people feel that announcing
gender, writes historian Jen Manion, of Amherst College,
“requires them to make a declaration, whether they are ready, or
want to.”
And, we argue, announcing pronouns may enable gender bias and
discrimination. Likewise, while the use of honorifics is
commonly viewed as a sign of respect, as long as the two most
used options are gender-specific, use of honorifics emphasizes
gender and potentially perpetuates bias and
discrimination—problems we cannot afford to disregard.[/quote]
I would put it more strongly: being denied gender recognition
hurts the inferior, whereas being forced to announce gender
hurts the superior.
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"As a trans girl is it bad if I want to be called she?"
If you live in a society where cis girls are called "she", then
it is understandable that you would want to be called the same
thing as cis girls, as otherwise would imply being discriminated
against compared to cis girls.
But would you rather live in a society where even cis girls are
not called "she" either, but instead everyone is called "they"
or some other ungendered pronoun? That is the important
question.
(In places which speak languages with no gendered pronouns,
someone can talk about a person for ages without anyone knowing
the talked-about person's gender until someone else specifically
asks, no different than how we don't know the talked-about
person's height (for example) without asking. Imagine how weird
it would be if we had to use different pronouns for tall people
and short people (heighted pronouns?)! That's how weird gendered
pronouns actually are.)
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Another journalist makes the jump to True Left:
www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/opinion/pronoun-they-gender.html
[quote]most people guess that I go by “he” and “him.” And that’s
fine; I will not be offended if you refer to me by those
traditional, uselessly gendered pronouns.
But “he” is not what you should call me. If we lived in a just,
rational, inclusive universe — one in which we were not all so
irredeemably obsessed by the particulars of the parts dangling
between our fellow humans’ legs, nor the ridiculous expectations
signified by those parts about how we should act and speak and
dress and feel — there would be no requirement for you to have
to assume my gender just to refer to me in the common tongue.
There are, after all, few obvious linguistic advantages to the
requirement. When I refer to myself, I don’t have to announce my
gender and all the baggage it carries. Instead I use the
gender-nonspecific “I.” Nor do I have to bother with gender when
I’m speaking directly to someone or when I’m talking about a
group of people. I just say “you” or “they.”
...
If you write about me, interview me, tweet about me, or if you
are a Fox News producer working on a rant about my extreme
politics, I would prefer if you left my gender out of it. ...
because the world will be slightly better off if we abandoned
unnecessary gender signifiers as a matter of routine
communication.
...
One truth I’ve come to understand too late in life is how
thoroughly and insidiously our lives are shaped by gender norms.
These expectations are felt most acutely and tragically by those
who don’t conform to the standard gender binary — people who are
transgender or nonbinary, most obviously.
But even for people who do mainly fit within the binary, the
very idea that there is a binary is invisibly stifling. Every
boy and girl feels this in small and large ways growing up; you
unwittingly brush up against preferences that don’t fit within
your gender expectations, and then you must learn to fight those
expectations or strain to live within them.
But it was only when I had a son and a daughter of my own that I
recognized how powerfully gendered constructs shape our
development. From their very earliest days, my kids, fed by
marketing and entertainment and (surely) their parents’
modeling, seemed to hem themselves into silly gender norms. They
gravitated to boy toys and girl toys, boy colors and girl
colors, boy TV shows and girl TV shows. This was all so sad to
me: I see them limiting their thoughts and their ambitions,
their preferences and their identity, their very liberty, only
to satisfy some collective abstraction. And there’s little
prospect for escape: Gender is a ubiquitous prison for the mind,
reinforced everywhere, by everyone, and only rarely questioned.
We’re a long way from eradicating these expectations in society.
But we don’t have to be wary about eradicating them in language.
“Part of introducing the concept of gender-neutral pronouns to
people is to get them to ask, ‘Why does this part of society
need to be gendered in the first place?’” said Jay Wu, director
of communications at the National Center for Transgender
Equality. They continued: “Part of how we fix that is more and
more people noticing that things are so gendered and being like,
why does it have to be that way? What benefit does it bring us?”
None, I say, other than confusion, anxiety and grief.[/quote]
Right (and False Left):
"In His own image created He them; male and female created He
them." - Tanakh
True Left:
"When you make the male and the female one, so that the male
will not be male nor the female female ... then will you enter
the Kingdom.” - Jesus
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Victory:
news.yahoo.com/berkeley-bans-gendered-words-manhole-195405363.ht
ml
[quote]The City Council in Berkeley, Calif., voted this week to
ban gender-specific words in the liberal city’s municipal code,
clearing the way for the changes to become official.
...
The new ordinance would eliminate the use of masculine and
feminine pronouns in the municipal code. Instead of “he” and
“she,” the city will use “they” and “them.”
Under the heading "Gender," the amended code will read as
follows:
“Whenever a personal pronoun is used in the neutral gender, it
shall be deemed to include the feminine and masculine also.
‘They/them’ shall indicate a singular individual, unless the
context indicates the contrary.”[/quote]
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Counterculture-influenced schools vs Western protestors:
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7434561/Angry-pupils-protest-ou
tside-school-gates-against-new-pointless-gender-neutral-uniforms
.html
[quote]Police and teachers have been criticised for locking
school gates to schoolchildren who protested a new 'gender
neutral' uniform policy this morning, leaving pupils to wander
the streets of a Sussex town.
Angry pupils and parents protested outside the gates of Priory
School in Lewes over the clothing policy for the new school
year.
But teachers and Sussex Police officers locked the gates on
pupils and refused admittance to girls in skirts
...
The Priory School in Lewes, East Sussex, forced all pupils to
wear trousers in 2017 after 'concerns' were raised over the
length of skirts - and to cater for transgender pupils.
It has brought in a fully gender neutral uniform and yesterday
the head teacher warned pupils would be sent home if they are
not wearing it.[/quote]
The uniform that is causing protests:
HTML https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/09/05/13/18104778-7430963-image-a-2_1567684919509.jpg
Despite explicitly aiming at a gender-neutral uniform they still
end up even at the drawing board stage with significant sexual
dimorphism (note the shoes, trousers, hairstyles and even the
heights)! Of course they deserve some credit for starting the
journey towards reducing sexual dimorphism, but this is how
deeply-embedded sexual dimorphism is in Western civilization.
Meanwhile in China:
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[img]
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I think it'd be better if mandatory school uniform is abolished.
School teachers and staffs don't require wearing uniforms
because they're "adults".
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Without mandatory uniforms you'll just get the traditional
male/female divide in clothing that are already commonplace.
Mandatory uniforms for both staff and students is the way to go.
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More victory:
www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/opp-no-longer-releasing-gender-1.5
293637
[quote]Ontario's provincial police service will no longer
release the gender of people who are charged with crimes and
those who are victims of crimes.
...
"It doesn't matter if it was a male or a female who was an
impaired driver or speeding down the highway, what matters is
that we pulled them over and laid a charge."
...
"We will now say "the individual" or "the accused," and not use
gender-specific pronouns," Dionne said. "In the case of a
suspect where we need to be more specific, we will say "appears
to be a female" or "appears to be a male."[/quote]
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www.rt.com/news/470964-air-canada-ladies-gentlemen/
[quote]Employees of the top Canadian airline were instructed to
drop the long-time tradition of calling their passengers “ladies
and gentlemen” (or “mesdames et messieurs” when speaking
French). Instead, passengers will be addressed as “everybody”
and “tout le monde,” local media reported.[/quote]
Note that this merely puts English and French belatedly on par
with languages of lower sexual dimorphism which have never used
gender-based address in the first place.
Bonus clip:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 3, 2021, 4:05 am
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LOL:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXWOq8sOntU
This is actually only the most recent of a series of similar
poetic justice:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_reveal_party#Incidents_and_injuries
[quote]Some instances of attempted spectacular special effects
at gender-reveals have caused injury, death, and even
large-scale damage.
The 2017 Sawmill Fire in Arizona was caused by a gender-reveal
party that combined blue powder and an explosive. Other
dangerous stunts have involved fireworks and alligators.[16]
"Gender reveal burnouts", in which cars emit billowing clouds of
pink or blue smoke, are a fad that became popular in Australia
around 2018. The Queensland Police Service warns that this
practice is dangerous, and that there have been a number of
attempted "burnouts" that resulted in flaming vehicles and
arrests.[17]
In September 2019, there was a plane crash in Turkey, Texas when
a low-flying crop duster was attempting to drop 350 gallons of
colored water for a reveal. The pilot was not injured and the
passenger received minor injuries.[18]
In October 2019, an Iowa woman was killed by debris from the
explosion of a homemade device meant to reveal her relative's
gender.[19]
In September 2020, a gender-reveal pyrotechnic device started
the El Dorado Fire near Yucaipa, California, destroying homes,
prompting evacuations, burning thousands of acres,[20][21] and
causing the death of one firefighter.[22]
On February 21, 2021, the accidental explosion of an
in-development gender reveal device in Liberty, New York killed
the father-to-be and injured his younger brother.[23][24]
On March 29, 2021, two people were killed when a plane crashed
in the Caribbean Sea off the coast of Mexico while carrying a
trailing sign that read "It's a girl!"[25][/quote]
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 23, 2021, 10:17 pm
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What is with Westerners' obsession with gender?
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/gender-reveal-party-prompts-fears-092330692.html
[quote]Gender reveal party prompts fears of 'earthquakes' after
US couple detonates 80 pounds of explosives
...
Locals in the Rockingham County area reported the foundations of
their homes cracking and walls rocking to police, who located
the origin of the blast in a quarry, where a family admitted to
holding the gathering.
...
The incident is the latest in a series of mishaps caused by
lavish gender reveal parties in the United States.
A fire that damaged more than 7,000 acres of land in California
was found to have been caused by a smoke-generating pyrotechnic
device, used to set off streams of blue or pink, in 2020.
In 2019, a 56-year-old woman was killed instantly after a piece
of shrapnel from a homemade explosive hit her in the head. Some
pieces of debris flew as far as 100 yards away.
And in Arizona a party caused a week-long wildfire, devastating
45,000 acres of land, in 2017. The father of the child was
handed a sentence of five years probation and fined.[/quote]
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 9, 2021, 11:16 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/full-stops-words-non-merci-163525577.html
[quote]France’s education ministry has banned the use of
gender-inclusive words in classrooms, saying they "harm"
learning and risk cementing the status of English as the world’s
dominant language.[/quote]
While English is indeed lower in grammatical sexual dimorphism
than French, it is nowhere near the lowest (see previous posts).
Still, there is no doubt that English is qualitatively superior:
[quote]The decree sent to schools across the country took
specific aim at the practice of introducing full stops into the
middle of words to denote both masculine and feminine endings,
such as turning “amis” (friends) into “ami.e.s” - a so-called
'midpoint'.
In French grammar, nouns reflect the gender of the object to
which they are referring and male dominates female in mixed
settings - so a group of friends with nine women and one man
would nevertheless be termed with the masculine ‘amis’.
Activists have long pushed for textbooks to add an ‘e’ to
feminise certain words, making them more inclusive. In their
preferred teaching materials, “élus”, French for elected
officials, becomes “élu.e.s”, for example.[/quote]
In English, "friends" and "officials" can simply be used as they
are, without gender being mentioned. Whereas in French, even
doing the ".e." nonsense still forces people to be reminded
about gender, albeit in an indeterminate sense. In short, there
is no way in French to not be constantly gender-conscious.
(But where French is with nouns, English is with pronouns, as
English still has gendered pronouns, so that we have to do the
"he/she" nonsense.)
[quote]But in the decree published last week by the Education
Ministry, two members of the Académie francaise, the
400-year-old institution which guards the French language,
banned the use of midpoints in schools, saying they are “harmful
to the practice and understanding of the French
language.”[/quote]
We already understand that the French language is inferior, and
reflects well Western sexism:
[quote]Most job titles in French are masculine and linguists
have found evidence of women being discouraged from applying to
roles with exclusively male titles.
The decree also encourages the use of femine and masculine
options when posting a school job announcement - for example “le
candidat or la candidate,” to make it clear the role is open to
both men and women.
French linguistics has been dominated by a war between the ‘old
guard’ who want to preserve traditions and Left-wing groups
saying the language needs to be lifted from its ‘sexist’
roots.[/quote]
By the way, here is an excerpt which highlights how ridiculously
inferior gendered languages are:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_gender#Gender_contrasts_on_human_versus_sentient_referents
[quote]In the case of languages which have masculine and
feminine genders, the relation between biological sex and
grammatical gender tends to be less exact in the case of animals
than in the case of people. In Spanish, for instance, a cheetah
is always un guepardo (masculine) and a zebra is always una
cebra (feminine), regardless of their biological sex. In Russian
a rat and a butterfly are always "krysa"
(крыса) and "babochka"
(бабочка) (feminine).
To specify the sex of an animal, an adjective may be added, as
in un guepardo hembra ("a female cheetah"), or una cebra macho
("a male zebra"). Different names for the male and the female of
a species are more frequent for common pets or farm animals,
e.g. English cow and bull, Spanish vaca "cow" and toro "bull",
Russian "baran" (баран) "ram" and
"ovtsa" (овца) "ewe".
As regards the pronouns used to refer to animals, these
generally agree in gender with the nouns denoting those animals,
rather than the animals' sex (natural gender). [/quote]
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: SirGalahad Date: May 20, 2021, 9:22 pm
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I think that we should all commit to using “it” from here on out
when talking about people on the forums and the blog. It might
sound weird at first, but all of the languages without gendered
pronouns that I know of, use one word for he, she and it. I hate
using “they” as a non-gendered pronoun, because it conflates the
singular and plural, and it can get confusing sometimes
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: rp Date: May 21, 2021, 1:18 am
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False Leftists are "criticizing" Ted Cruz by claiming that he is
"really" the emasculated one since he let Trump insult his wife.
Actually, reverence towards masculinity and deference to the
"alpha male" (i.e. Trump) are not contradictory at all. I would
imagine an Aryanist who despised masculinity would honorably
defend his wife from a Gentile's insults, much likelier than a
Gentile who revered masculinity would. What do you think?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 21, 2021, 1:57 am
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Care is required here. While we would defend our wives, we at
the same time also expect our wives to defend us.
Masculinity-worshipping men who defend their wives would be
traumatized by their wives defending themselves. This is the
first difference.
Secondly, when we defend our wives, it is not because (as
masculinity-worshipping men think) we lack confidence in their
ability to defend themselves. We are simply dividing labour.
In the Cruz case, however, as far as remember, Trump was merely
saying Melania was better-looking than Heidi, so there is
nothing to defend against in the first place! Given Trump's own
aesthetical tastes, his opinion on people's looks is worthless!
The fact that Cruz was even bothered by Trump's opinion probably
means he actually agrees with it!
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: rp Date: May 21, 2021, 2:17 am
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"In the Cruz case, however, as far as remember, Trump was merely
saying Melania was better-looking than Heidi, so there is
nothing to defend against in the first place! Given Trump's own
aesthetical tastes, his opinion on people's looks is worthless!
The fact that Cruz was even bothered by Trump's opinion probably
means he actually agrees with it!"
This was more or less what I was trying to get at, i.e. Cruz's
reverence towards masculinity drives his deference toward alpha
males, although I will say reverence toward masculinity can also
drive a Gentile to despise the alpha male, but merely out of
envy/tribal competition.
But the main point is that the two phenomena are not
contradictory. Would you agree with this?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 21, 2021, 2:51 am
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Yes. The way I would put it is: given Cruz cannot have the top
spot himself, he would much prefer those above him to be more
masculine than himself than less masculine than himself.
This is true not just of masculinity. In general, reverence
towards any trait would imply a preference for following someone
scoring higher in that trait than oneself rather than someone
scoring lower in that trait than oneself. Everyone wants the
power hierarchy in reality to line up with the merit hierarchy
inside our minds. We just differ in what we believe constitutes
merit.
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Re: True Left breakthrough: degendering
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 6, 2021, 2:50 am
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