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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: January 30, 2022, 5:33 am
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As a follow-up of the other post, here is more evidence I
stumbled upon showing Hitler was indeed vegetarian.
Hitler at a meeting with the Strassers and General Ludendorff in
1920.
[quote]‘Bravo,’ said Ludendorff. Raising his clear green glass,
which rested on a massive stem, he offered to drink with each of
us. We all naturally responded to his gesture, but to my
astonishment I noticed that Hitler’s glass contained nothing but
water.
‘Herr Hitler is a teetotaler,’ Gregor explained, with a host’s
smile. ‘He is also a vegetarian,’ he added, with a glance almost
of apprehension at his wife.
The roast had just been brought in.
‘Herr Hitler will not offend me by refusing my cooking,’ my
little sister-in-law said calmly, but at the same time
challengingly.
An instinctive dislike of the guest who had been thrust on her
was perceptible in her eyes and her whole attitude.
Else never approved of her husband’s intimacy with Adolf Hitler.
She tolerated him during the years that followed without ever
daring to express her revulsion aloud. But her hostility to
Hitler never changed.
That day Adolf Hitler ate meat. I do not think he has ever done
so since.[/quote]
Otto Strasser. (1940). Hitler and I. Translated by Gwenda David
and Eric Mosbacher (1940). Page 5-6.
HTML https://archive.org/details/HitlerAndIOttoStrasser
[quote]Roehm had taken a year’s lease of a room at Wiessee.
Immediately on receiving Hitler’s reply, he went to the village
inn and booked a number of rooms for June 29. He even ordered a
vegetarian lunch for Adolf. I learned these details from
responsible witnesses.[/quote]
Otto Strasser. (1940). Hitler and I. Translated by Gwenda David
and Eric Mosbacher (1940). Page 188.
HTML https://archive.org/details/HitlerAndIOttoStrasser
So, we have Rauschning (an anti-Hitler rightist) and Otto
Strasser (an anti-Hitler leftist) both finding Hitler's
vegetarianism and disinterest in alcohol to be remarkable enough
to mention it multiple times.
Wagener and Hitler's secretary (Christa Schroeder, who was hired
in 1933) suggested his vegetarianism was influenced by the death
of his niece Geli Raubal in 1931 for some reason. However,
Strasser makes clear that Hitler's vegetarianism and teetotalism
was already notable by 1920, and Rauschning writes Hitler had
told him his principled conviction in vegetarianism was
influenced by Richard Wagner and romanticist attitudes.
[quote]When I met him a week later [1931] in Nuremberg, it came
to my attention that he ate no meat. Unfortunately, I myself had
ordered goulash. I noticed Hitler fighting off nausea as I put
the meat on my plate, though I did not make the connection.
Suddenly he rose and said:
“I’ll sit over there. Please Join me when you’ve
finished.”[/quote]
Otto Wagener. (written in 1946, first published in German in
1978). Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant. Edited by Henry Ashby
Turner, Jr., translated by Ruth Hein (1985). Page 222.
HTML https://archive.org/details/wagenerhitlermemoirsofaconfidant/page/n265/mode/2up
From the editor's narrative in the introduction. (They didn't do
a very good job researching if they didn't find Strasser's and
Rauschning's accounts!)
[quote]He provides an explanation for Hitler's becoming a
vegetarian, a development about which little is otherwise
known.[38]
[38] See chapter 35, where Wagener connects that step with the
death of Hitler’s niece Geli Raubal. Hitler’s private secretary
had also linked his becoming a vegetarian to Geli’s death, but
without the details provided by Wagener: Albert Zoller, Hitler
Privat: Erlebnisbericht seiner Geheimsekretärin (Düsseldorf,
1949), p. 91.[/quote]
Otto Wagener. (written in 1946, first published in German in
1978). Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant. Edited by Henry Ashby
Turner, Jr., translated by Ruth Hein (1985). Page xxv.
HTML https://archive.org/details/wagenerhitlermemoirsofaconfidant/page/n27/mode/2up
The timeline of Hitler's teetotalism given by Wagener is
consistent with Strasser's account, and it is consistent with
Rauschning's account that Hitler did not do this for health
reasons, but principle.
[quote]But Hitler denied himself even more. Early on, he had
given up smoking and, soon after the war, any enjoyment of
alcohol.
“People sometimes think,” he told me on the occasion of a trip
we took together, “that I don’t like beer or wine. Oh! I really
do like them. But every time I saw a bottle of wine, or even a
quarter-bottle, or a mug of beer, I was reminded of my time in
Vienna and later in Munich, when I had wanted it so much, I as
well as my comrades—but we had not been able to afford it. All
of us had had to think twice, three times, before we spent so
much as a penny. And even then I had often enough put the money
back into my pocket once more because somewhere I had seen a
book that I wanted to borrow or buy because I felt an inner urge
to have read it. And today, when there are so many people out of
work who are living now as I lived in those days, I cannot bring
myself to take a glass of wine or a mug of beer, since behind
the glass I always see the sobbing expression of a head of a
family or the satanic grimace of the plight afflicting the Volk.
“And so I gradually gave it up.”[/quote]
Otto Wagener. (written in 1946, first published in German in
1978). Hitler: Memoirs of a Confidant. Edited by Henry Ashby
Turner, Jr., translated by Ruth Hein (1985). Page 34.
HTML https://archive.org/details/wagenerhitlermemoirsofaconfidant/page/n63/mode/2up
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Ok, one more account. It was shockingly easy to find all this,
given the number of random articles I've seen in the past
desperately trying to claim Hitler being a vegetarian was just
some myth.
[quote]The food was emphatically simple. A soup, no appetizer,
meat with vegetables and potatoes, a sweet. For beverage we had
a choice between mineral water, ordinary Berlin bottled beer, or
a cheap wine. Hitler was served his vegetarian food, drank
Fachinger mineral water, and those of his guests who wished
could imitate him. But few did. It was Hitler himself who
insisted on this simplicity. He could count on its being talked
about in Germany. Once, when the Helgoland fishermen presented
him with a gigantic lobster, this delicacy was served at table,
much to the satisfaction of the guests, but Hitler made
disapproving remarks about the human error of consuming such
ugly monstrosities. Moreover, he wanted to have such luxuries
forbidden, he declared.
[...]
Hess came to table about once every two weeks; he would be
followed by his adjutant in a rather weird getup, carrying a tin
vessel containing a specially prepared meal which was to be
rewarmed in the kitchen. For a long time it was hidden from
Hitler that Hess had his own special vegetarian meal served to
himself. When someone finally gave the secret away, Hitler
turned irritably to Hess in the presence of the assembled
company and blustered: “I have a first-class diet cook here. If
your doctor has prescribed something special for you, she will
be glad to prepare it. But you cannot bring your food with you.”
Hess, even then inclining to obstinate contrariness, began
explaining that the components of his meals had to be of special
biodynamic origin. Whereupon Hitler bluntly informed him that in
that case he should take his meals at home. Thereafter Hess
scarcely ever came to the dinners.[/quote]
Albert Speer. (1969). Inside the Third Reich. Translated by
Richard Winston and Clara Winston. (1970). Page 119-120.
HTML https://archive.org/details/inside-the-third-reich-memoirs-by-albert-speer-by-albert-speer-richard-winston-a/page/118/mode/2up
[quote]Finally the conversation would revert to the quality of
the food. He was highly pleased with his diet cook and praised
her skill at vegetarian cuisine. If a dish seemed to him
especially good, he asked me to have a taste of it.
[...]
Incidentally, even here at headquarters he would often make fun
of meat-eaters, but he did not attempt to sway me. He even had
no objection to a Steinhager after fatty food—although he
commented pityingly that he did not need it, with his fare. If
there were a meat broth I could depend on his speaking of
“corpse tea”; in connection with crayfish he brought out his
story of a deceased grandmother whose relations had thrown her
body into the brook to lure the crustaceans; for eels, that they
were best fattened and caught by using dead cats.[/quote]
Albert Speer. (1969). Inside the Third Reich. Translated by
Richard Winston and Clara Winston. (1970). Page 301.
HTML https://archive.org/details/inside-the-third-reich-memoirs-by-albert-speer-by-albert-speer-richard-winston-a/page/300/mode/2up
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: January 30, 2022, 7:37 pm
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None of this information is even all that necessary because
Hitler's teeth have been analyzed, and there were no traces of
meat consumption. So whenever vegetarian and vegan leftists
claim that members of Hitler's party only claimed him to be
vegetarian for propagandistic purposes, they're making a
statement that's so easily falsifiable if you skim through
Hitler's Wikipedia entries. In their defense though, this
analysis was only conducted a few years ago.
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: guest55 Date: January 31, 2022, 12:07 am
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Karl Wilhelm Krause also confirms Hitler's vegetarianism at
19:25 of this interview of him. Note that it was Dr. Morel that
told Hitler to eat sardines. Many in the upper echelon of the
NSDAP seemed to be suffering stomach issues at the time too, I
suspect stress was a major contributor. (I'm not a big fan of
Krause myself and it seems Hitler ended up having some issues
with him as well....).
In The Service Of The Führer Hitler’s Shadow Documentary
HTML https://vimeo.com/583598857
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: January 31, 2022, 9:39 pm
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[quote]None of this information is even all that necessary
because Hitler's teeth have been analyzed, and there were no
traces of meat consumption.[/quote]
Interesting, I hadn't heard of that before. Still, even before
that there were multiple literary sources available for decades
confirming it, yet I have seen so many blogs and articles try to
argue without even being aware of such basic information. ::)
(I just edited my previous post with an additional source. I
figured I'd compile this information here as I stumbled across
it while doing research for the socialism thread.)
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: January 31, 2022, 9:48 pm
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Ok, time for some actual ideological decolonization:
[quote]Tell us about the Sistah Vegan Anthology and why you
started this project.
In September 2005, I transitioned to veganism because it aligned
with my perceptions of social and environmental justice. I had
been living in the Boston area for six years, and couldn’t find
any other black identified vegans. I was also doing research on
the internet just to look at veganism and African Americans when
I somehow came to the BlackPlanet.com website. There was a
dialogue about a PETA campaign and the images used—people
suffering in the Holocaust, Native American genocide and African
American slaves positioned next to nonhuman animals that were
suffering from exploitation. There were 28 people on that
dialogue and 27 were really annoyed and offended by this
campaign. There was only one black woman who said she understood
what PETA was trying to convey. I found that interesting and
wondered if this was a case of racism from PETA or speciesism
from the 27 black people on the forum.
I decided to do a call for papers and see if there were other
female vegans of the African Diaspora in America. I wanted to
look at how our philosophies are shaped by the fact most of us,
collectively as black women, have experienced racism and
classism. How does that shape how we understand food, nutrition,
veganism and how we understand those connections to
environmentalism and the treatment of nonhuman animals?
[...]
Can you talk more about veganism as an approach to combating
institutional racism, and the legacies of colonialism and
slavery?
It is important to note a lot of the health disparities we face
result from legacies of colonialism, slavery and current
systemic whiteness.
A lot of the foods African Americans have been eating we were
given as part of the slave system and colonialism. Most of the
food and preparation was never actually healthy—high flesh
foods, high saturated fat and sugar foods. A lot of it came from
exploiting nonhuman animals and the reason we are eating it is
because we ourselves historically have been exploited as slaves.
We need to start reflecting deeper in our practices of
anti-racism and decolonization. Like Dick Gregory notes, we even
need to look at our own traditional black soul food diet as part
of this decolonization process.
One thing I’ve been thinking about lately is the work of Antonia
Dumas who works at the Food Studies Institute in New York. In
2001 she went to Florida to the Bay Point School for boys where
she worked with low-income “at risk” adjudicated black and
Latino teens. She asked the boys to incorporate a plant-based
whole foods diet for six weeks and keep a food journal about how
they feel. In the journals the boys recorded that their moods
changed drastically. Their grades changed for the better and
physically they felt better. It was amazing. I listened to an
interview of her on the radio show Animal Voices, out of
Toronto. The interviewer noticed Antonia was having problems
getting funding for this project and asked ‘Do you think this
has something to do with how profitable the prison industrial
complex is?’ I thought that was an interesting link to what a
more mindful and compassionate diet means for at risk youth.
Whole foods plant-based veganism is potentially a great way to
lower the risk of these teenage boys entering the prison
industrial complex.
A few months ago, we were having a discussion about how the
public dialogue around ethical eating is dominated by a select
few, and how it often doesn’t incorporate the larger justice
issue we are talking about here. It seems to be more about
modifying the status quo than challenging consumption. Can you
talk about that?
I’ve been thinking about that since I read Peter Singer’s
interview in Satya. I understood his intent that maybe if we get
people mindful and aware of where their meat comes from, then
they’ll start buying organic and free-range. Maybe it’s more
“humane,” maybe eventually this will spark something in the
person’s brain to really reflect on where their food comes from.
I think he was hoping people will keep on enlightening
themselves to the point where they’ll realize they don’t need to
eat meat.
But I think someone can actually fall into being apathetic and
complacent. It just puts a band-aid on the larger problem. Back
to African slavery, there were people trying to figure out how
to make the state of slavery better, how to make the slaves’
lives better. But that doesn’t address the question, is it okay
to enslave human beings?
Supposedly by 2048 we will no longer have a seafood stock from
the ocean. And people are saying ‘oh no, well what fish can we
start breeding so we can have more to eat?’ My question is why
are we not reframing the question to, why do we still need to
eat fish?
At least there is some mindfulness and compassion behind fair
trade coffee, chocolate and tea, but I don’t want it to stop
there. It is a phenomenal idea because up until recently many
people were suffering to give first worlders their addictive
substances. But then, I started thinking why are we using their
land to give us our addictive substances—sugar, tea, coffee and
chocolate—even if it is fairly traded? Why don’t we reframe the
question, and ask why can’t we just let them use that land to
grow their own crops to be self-sufficient?
It’s problematic because we are not trying to get to the very
root of the problem, which is, at least in the first world, over
consumption. We are not addressing our addictions.[/quote]
HTML https://www.loveunityvoice.com/sistah-vegans-the-satya-interview-with-dr-amie-breeze-harper/
Article with some thoughts on how to use
intersectionality/anti-racism to improve vegan activism.
[quote]White Veganism is a reference to mainstream
veganism—which is, undeniably very white, narrow, one sided and
ignores intersectionality.
[...]
The more constructive approach would be illustrating how our
government heavily subsidizes this corrosive industry, then
create programs (i.e. WIC) that will disproportionately funnel
disease-inducing food into Black and Brown bodies. How CAFO’s
(Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations) are strategically
placed in or near PoC communities where irresponsibly managed
waste poisons the air, water, and food supply of the community.
How we shouldn’t attack slaughterhouse workers who are not evil
incarnates, but poor and marginalized people forced to work a
job most people would not do themselves. How realizing that our
plant-based foods are anything but “cruelty free” when you
consider the farm workers who are horribly mistreated most
places our food is grown. The intersection of capitalism and
white supremacy utilizes the mass exploitation of animals as a
medium to drive profit and power over people and the planet.
[...]
The adherers of white veganism (because white veganism is a way
in which veganism is advocated and could very well be adhered to
by a PoC) will often talk about how they do not care about the
oppression of humans and will willfully engage in that
oppression. They will often times perpetuate racism and sexism
in their quest to promote veganism or just in everyday actions
as they do not care about dismantling other systems of
oppression. This is due to the privilege white vegans inherit
that allows them to not think about race or racism on a daily
basis. White veganism erases the role that whiteness and its
constructs create and promote in animal exploitation. They will
often say we are “divisive” and “taking away from the animals”
when we speak on the issues of white veganism but nothing could
be farther from the truth. White veganism creates barriers
against veganism, it paints veganism as being inherently racist.
Animal liberation cannot succeed through white veganism.[/quote]
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20200616042747/https://veganvoicesofcolor.com/2017/01/09/dismantling-white-veganism/
"White" identity alert! (Comment from someone who disagrees with
the article):
[quote]Anti-white hatred has gotten to the point where almost
all leftist thought is soaked in it. I say this as a Jew, as a
traditionally liberal Jew, and it really disturbs me. This is
why veganism needs to be kept away from partisan
politics.[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/5n8bah/dismantling_white_veganism_mainstream_veganisms/dc9w1ws/
This article is mostly academic word salad, but it also raises
the point that "white" veganism must be replaced with
anti-capitalist and anti-racist sentiments if veganism is to be
worthy of being called a social justice movement. Western
Civilization is behind both the dietary colonization of
non-Western nations (which, prior to colonization, were largely
vegetarian/vegan), and ongoing racist oppression. Veganism as a
social justice movement can only succeed if it is
anti-Western/anti-"white".
[quote]Recently, I watched a youtube video from Unnatural Vegan
entitled, “Anti-Capitalism is Anti-Vegan”. I am not even going
to elaborate on the nonsense that this video is propagating —
there are response videos make a great analysis against this
content. The creator has 250K subscribers and the video 142K
views. But this explains why veganism as a social (justice)
movement is in crisis. There is truth here — Veganism is not
inherently anti-capitalist, and this is truly problematic as an
anti-oppressive social (justice) movement. Unnatural Vegan’s
arguments align with a white supremacist imperialist veganism,
which was never disrupted by Watson and The Vegan Society, and
is currently propagated by John Mackey of Whole Foods Market.
This is a morally astute form of capitalism, “Conscious
Capitalism”. For too many people there is only one form of
veganism — a single-issue movement that is anti-indigenous,
anti-Black, colonial, capitalist and centered around white
supremacy and white saviorism.
[...]
The animal agriculture industry has expanded in the Global
South. Roeder’s “Beyond Diet’’ piece explains that for some
BIPOC contemporary vegans around the world, “the return to a
plant-based diet signifies resistance to a legacy of European
colonialism that harms both human health and the natural
environment.” But this walks around neocolonialism that enforces
European-American customs and food traditions based on diets
high in meat, dairy, and gluten (the Western Patterned Diet).
Although Roeder positions veganism as “an obvious threat to the
animal agriculture industry,” neocolonialism exists in more
ruthless and hegemonic ways.
While mainstream veganism focuses on contentions with meat and
dairy industries in the US and Europe, there is very little
investment in disrupting the neocolonial take over by meat and
dairy industries in the Global South. Neoliberal free-market
policies in the last 40 years have exponentially expanded meat
and dairy industries and pushed consumption throughout the
world. In continental African, where prior to European
colonization food was often vegetarian and still is in many
regions, growing capitalist markets are attempting to change
that.
[...]
White-led anti-oppressive movements will always be problematic.
Veganism is institutionalized, those who wield power and moral
authority within veganism are white.
[...]
Anti-blackness has never been positioned as unethical in western
settler colonial nations, and neither has white savior trauma
porn. The work of Reign Hervey contends that “race is seen as
only worthy of discussion as a means of advancing nonhuman
animal liberation. …Instead of addressing white supremacy as an
ideology responsible for exploitation, white veganism maintains
animal rights as a single issue or uses nonwhite bodies to fill
a quota to avoid talking about race directly.” Hervey’s work
connects with Aph and Sly Ko’s Aphro-ism: Essays on Pop Culture,
Feminism, and Black Veganism from Two Sisters: “Comparing and
contrasting the literal/physical violation these subjects
experience misses the conceptual boat since the reason why they
are each oppressed is precisely because they are all citizens of
the same subhuman space. Naturally, their oppression might
physically resemble one another since they have a common
oppressor.”
[...]
When white supremacy and capitalism is ejected from our
collective understanding and activism against speciesism,
veganism as an anti-oppressive social (justice) movement is
stripped from truly being revolutionary.
[...]
Additionally, T. Colin Campbell coined the term “plant based” to
depoliticize veganism and focus solely on diet culture further
pushes colonialism and cultural appropriation. This connects
currently with John Mackey, a self proclaimed conscious
capitalist and vegan health advocate. So we can not be surprised
when veganism projects and sustains elitism and white supremacy.
[...]
Veganism is not yet fully ethical and not yet fully liberatory,
but Black Veganism shows the way.[/quote]
HTML https://lbetty1.medium.com/veganism-is-in-crisis-36f78fa9a4b9
HTML https://miro.medium.com/max/875/1*Lt-XdSr6Xc-LvlFv2OwoZQ.jpeg
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 5, 2022, 11:03 pm
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Here is an example of how decolonization in one field can end up
increasing colonization in another field. Just days ago we
thought we had seen a sign of hope:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg10956/#msg10956
Now what we thought was an icon of decolonization is being used
in China to sell WESTERN WINE FFS:
HTML https://wx4.sinaimg.cn/mw2000/6b1a55e1ly1gyi1f91td8j20u01hcq6w.jpg<br
/>(WTF?!)
HTML https://wx4.sinaimg.cn/mw2000/6b1a55e1ly1gyi1f5uzxfj20u01hcqav.jpg<br
/>(WTF?!?!)
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So I looked it up:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_in_China#Consumption
[quote]China's consumption of red wine has grown by 136% since
2008
...
Since around 2008, many small convenience stores have begun to
carry a small selection of wines, with specialty wine shops
emerging in cities throughout the country.[/quote]
HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
Still, this gives us the chance to discuss something else:
alcohol decolonization. Since the colonial era, pre-colonial
local alcoholic beverages in colonized countries have been to
varying degrees supplanted by Western wine. This is also
something we should be trying to reverse. While we are not
especially pro-alcohol in general, if people must drink, from a
purely anti-colonialist perspective we should encourage them to
drink the pre-colonial stuff.
This also applies to the New World, where we should be promoting
the various local varieties of:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_beer
while attacking anyone who drinks Western wine.
Further information:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicha
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiswin
etc.
It goes without saying that we should also ridicule the Homo
Hubris wine glasses at every opportunity:
[img width=905
height=1280]
HTML https://www.hospitalityproducts.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Anatomy-of-a-Riedel-Wine-Glass1.jpg[/img]
HTML https://bridefeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/What-are-red-wine-glasses-called.jpeg
HTML https://www.kj.com/sites/default/files/kendall-jackson-difference-between-red-wine-white-wine-glasses.jpg
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 5, 2022, 11:34 pm
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And the Homo Hubris wine bottles too!
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[img width=1280
height=1280]
HTML https://www.italianowine.com/copia/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Forma-bottiglie-1-EN.jpg[/img]
HTML https://i.pinimg.com/474x/2c/17/57/2c175748db924cda39cfcc0399715060--bottle-sizes-cellar-design.jpg
HTML https://www.winecabinets.com/v/vspfiles/images/BottleSizeChart.jpg
As well as related items:
[img width=1066
height=1280]
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[img]
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HTML https://image.slidesharecdn.com/BrochureApril2006-122962313547-phpapp03/95/brochure-april2006-13-728.jpg
And one more thing:
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How to be a Westerner:
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What will happen if we do not prohibit our enemies from
reproducing:
[img width=1280
height=754]
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 26, 2022, 9:18 pm
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This is a good small step, at least:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russian-vodka-pulled-shelves-us-072106736.html
[quote]Liquor stores across the U.S. and Canada have started
throwing out their stocks of Russian vodka in protest of
President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, according to
reports.[/quote]
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: guest55 Date: February 26, 2022, 9:54 pm
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Hey man, I was born in the Rheinland Phalz and apparently my
biological father grew grapes!?!? :D We started making wine
because of the Romans though? Should I start calling you
Charlemagne!? ;)
[quote]Germany has a long history of winemaking. In the course
of their conquests some 2,000 years ago, the Romans – who
adopted viticulture from the Greeks and Etruscans – introduced
viticulture to the Germanic territories. In the 8th century,
Charlemagne regulated viticulture and viniculture as well as
wine-related commerce. Monasteries were centers of wine culture,
and wine was the drink of the people throughout the Middle Ages.
The 19th century could be seen as a “golden age” of German wine,
a time when wines from the Mosel and the Rhine were favorites
among royalty and fetched higher prices than even Champagne and
Bordeaux. Today, German vintners are introducing innovative
ideas to modernize their centuries-old traditions: celebrating
iconic varieties like Riesling and the Pinots while
experimenting with new grapes, styles, and techniques.[/quote]
HTML https://germanwineusa.com/basics/history-of-german-wine/
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 27, 2022, 1:07 am
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"We started making wine because of the Romans though?"
I would theoretically support reviving drinking wine from
Roman-style vessels:
[img width=1280
height=960]
HTML https://previews.123rf.com/images/paulfleet/paulfleet1208/paulfleet120800001/14990586-ilustraci%C3%B3n-de-los-antiguos-romanos-cazos-o-vasos-para-beber-con-una-jarra-de-vino.jpg[/img]
HTML https://www.123rf.com/photo_14990586_illustration-of-ancient-roman-dippers-or-drinking-cups-with-a-wine-jug.html
More examples:
HTML https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/18587909-ancient-roman-terracotta-legionary-wine-cup-55x50mm
HTML https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/17037765-ancient-roman-terracotta-legionary-wine-cup-47x68mm
HTML https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/18701829-ancient-roman-terracotta-legionary-wine-cup-95x93mm
as opposed to the Western-style stemware (pictures in earlier
posts) which originated from the Renaissance:
[quote]The first stemmed glass is said to have originated in
Venice, the capital of glassmaking, around the 1400s. The style
was based on the structure of the chalice that was used for
religious purposes. At that time, wine was drunk in cups that
were either made from wood, leather, pewter or clay, so the
stemware didn’t receive much attention. Around 1450, the
cristallo glass was invented and was used on the island of
Murano in Venice. With this, it helped in enhancing the look of
glassware especially with its colorless appearance.[/quote]
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