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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 3, 2021, 2:14 am
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"If you mean that Vedic traditionalism exhibits a double
standard by forbidding non-Brahmins to eat beef but allowing
Brahmins to consume it"
This is what I meant.
"the first step in this process is to reject other meats as
well"
Of course! I only mentioned milk because it also comes from
cows.
"Lacto Vegetarianism > Ovo Vegetarianism"
Disagree here. Recall:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/our-enemies-concede-that-judaism-is-rightist/comment-page-1/#comment-180200
[quote]I would have no problem in principle with eating eggs
from GENUINELY free hens (not the present-day scam “free-range”
where there is a so-called “exit” that none of the hens can
realistically reach). Back in the Neolithic era, it would have
made perfect sense for hens to congregate voluntarily on Aryan
subsistence farms (where they would get not only food but also
refuge from predators (human and non-human)), and the Aryans
would get their eggs in return. This only became corrupted when
non-Aryan humans who had learned farming imprisoned the
congregated hens, and started breeding subsequent generations
deliberately (for both eggs and meat, as well as cockfighting
and other sadistic practices), which eventually led to the
horrors of Western modern poultry factories:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_molting
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_culling
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debeaking
Thus, while I would in principle be willing to eat eggs from
existing hens (in genuinely free living conditions), I would
never support breeding subsequent generations of hens for the
sake of maintaining a supply of eggs for humans. This means in
practice that I don’t eat eggs within the economy at all, as
doing so would create economic demand for subsequent generations
of hens to be bred.
...
“Was it noble of them to assume that the chickens coming to them
for refuge were okay with them eating their eggs? Do you think
that there somehow was communication/consent between the two
species?”
It would only be an assumption if the chickens were not allowed
to choose to leave. What I was describing involved chickens free
to weigh the deal they got on Aryan subsistence farms compared
to deals they could get elsewhere. Indeed, it is entirely
possible that two Aryan subsistence farms had different tax
rules, for example one might prefer taxes payable in manure:
HTML https://www.hgtv.com/outdoors/gardens/animals-and-wildlife/the-straight-poop-on-using-chicken-manure-as-fertilizer
so it would be up to individual chickens to migrate to whichever
they prefer. Remember, back then chickens were not yet
domesticated, so if they didn’t like any available deal, they
could choose to fend for themselves like they were doing the
whole time before Aryan subsistence farms came along! (Whereas
today, dealing with domesticated chickens, the ethical
calculation is different.)[/quote]
In contrast, there was no prehistoric ethical pathway for milk
consumption short of a freak scenario where the calf dies
accidentally and then the cow turns up at the Aryan subsistence
farm volunteering to be milked.
#Post#: 6106--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dietary decolonization
By: rp Date: May 3, 2021, 2:46 am
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"In contrast, there was no prehistoric ethical pathway for milk
consumption short of a freak scenario where the calf dies
accidentally and then the cow turns up at the Aryan subsistence
farm volunteering to be milked."
I see. But I was using ovo vegetarians to refer to those consume
eggs but also consume dairy, whereas most lacto vegetarians I
know avoid the former. I should have used "lacto-ovo
vegetarianism" to refer to the the former group.
#Post#: 6162--------------------------------------------------
Re: Gentilism
By: Zea_mays Date: May 5, 2021, 10:03 pm
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It always shocked me that things like "Meatless Monday" are
supposed to be a challenge for the majority of people. Are these
people really so addicted to cruelty that they eat meat every
single meal of every single day? Like, don't they just
spontaneously have random days with no meat in their meals? They
are actually going out of their way to meticulously plan each
meal to ensure they don't accidentally demasculinize themselves
by forgetting their meat?
(It's also shocking that environmentalists and vegans who
promote things like "Meatless Monday" think that's actually
going to make a dent in violence against non-humans and
environmental damage...)
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Re: Re: Gentilism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 6, 2021, 2:04 am
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"every single meal"
I never understood how it is possible to eat meat for breakfast.
The infamous full English breakfast:
HTML https://www.ladbible.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1200,quality=70,format=jpeg,fit=cover,dpr=1/https%3A%2F%2Fs3-images.ladbible.com%2Fs3%2Fcontent%2F8389bb7360696b98394622a8f527b983.png
[img]
HTML https://www.datocms-assets.com/32685/1613141623-skillet2.jpg?q=80&auto=format&dpr=1&w=800&h=500&fit=crop[/img]
Worse, hotels etc. in former colonies continue to offer this
breakfast option! And many local Eurocentrists consider it to be
"cultured"!
"They are actually going out of their way to meticulously plan
each meal to ensure they don't accidentally demasculinize
themselves by forgetting their meat?"
It certainly seems that way:
HTML https://www.ladbible.com/news/uk-sausage-voted-as-the-most-important-part-of-a-full-english-breakfast-20210404
"(It's also shocking that environmentalists and vegans who
promote things like "Meatless Monday" think that's actually
going to make a dent in violence against non-humans and
environmental damage...)"
I am convinced that the only way we will ever get a vegan world
is by prohibiting lots of people from reproducing.
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: rp Date: May 6, 2021, 2:38 am
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"English breakfast"
HTML https://youtu.be/WEBy5zrsdPI
I never understood Westerners' obsession with "breakfast" to
begin with. In many non-western cultures, for example, a bowl of
porridge or oats is considered enough. Anything else is reserved
for special occasions.
#Post#: 6789--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 29, 2021, 10:46 pm
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Our enemies are voluntarily leaning into our narrative:
HTML http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2021/05/29/the-food-wars-are-coming-to-america/
[quote]Alienated metropolitan weirdos are attacking the great
culinary traditions of Western civilization
Editor’s Note: By all accounts, Farage loves to drink and
Salvini is a foodie. Neither of them are faking it. Donald Trump
also eats like that.
...
The libs don’t even believe in equality or live and let live
anymore. Today, they have self-righteous moral puritans who
believe that eating a cheeseburger or a chicken sandwich is a
moral catastrophe.
...
Is barbeque a rightwing nationalist and populist cause?
Once again, I never really thought of it that way. Who has a
problem with barbeque?
...
The idea that you are saving the planet by eating asparagus,
brussels sprouts or a salad and that this makes you better than
someone who eats a steak with it is absurd.[/quote]
Let the cow judge who is better!
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Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 8, 2021, 12:25 am
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Just some information that might be useful:
HTML https://www.lockhart.co.uk/medias/lockhart/blog-feature-images/dairy-environment.jpg
#Post#: 7468--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 9, 2021, 2:42 am
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At least some people are attempting to tackle the subject:
HTML https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-exotic-food-racism-xenophobia
[quote]The Washington Post published a piece arguing that food
should no longer be described as "exotic."
...
Galarza spoke with several professors who similarly oppose the
term "exotic food," including one who insisted it's "tied to the
history of colonialism and slavery."[/quote]
This is correct. Western food is never called "exotic" by locals
no matter where in the world you are eating it. People from a
formerly colonized country may call food from a different
formerly colonized country "exotic" even though it is
geographically nearer, and not call food from a former colonial
power (not necessarily even one which colonized the country in
question) "exotic" even though it is geographically further
away. Thus what is considered "exotic" is influenced by
Eurocentrism. This ties back in with what I was saying above
about hotel breakfasts always offering a Western option etc..
[quote]"ok but can i still call the dancers that?" Washington
Examiner commentator T. Becket Adams quipped.[/quote]
Sure, as long as you start by calling ballroom/ballet/etc.
dancers that. Those styles come from centuries ago across the
Atlantic Ocean FFS!
#Post#: 7591--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 18, 2021, 11:17 pm
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Western scientists belatedly confirm what was always totally
obvious to any non-Turanian with a functional nose and tongue:
HTML https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26517348/
[quote]Interactions between tea polyphenols and milk proteins,
especially between catechins and caseins, could account for a
decrease in antioxidant activity,[/quote]
#Post#: 7707--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dietary decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 24, 2021, 10:01 pm
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HTML https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/white-woman-making-improved-congee-apologizes/ar-AAMrFe6
[quote]White woman making 'improved' congee apologizes
Breakfast Cure, an Oregon-based company run by a white woman,
Karen Taylor, has apologized after being accused by Asian
Americans of culturally appropriating congee, a traditional
Asian rice porridge.
The company, which sells pre-packaged meals it had referred to
as congee, issued the apology in a statement on its website this
week after it was criticized by many across social media for
exoticizing the comfort food and trying to reframe the
already-popular dish. It had previously claimed to have altered
congee to fit “your modern palate” and “improve” a dish that’s
been beloved by Asian cultures for centuries.
...
Taylor, an acupuncturist and self-proclaimed “Queen of Congee,”
had written a now-edited post titled, “How I discovered the
miracle of congee and improved it.”
...
Congee has long been a dish for commoners that is often eaten in
times of need because it requires only a few ingredients. By
contrast, Breakfast Cure’s slow-cook meal packs cost $14.95 per
pack. Kim said that Taylor's profiting off of congee,
particularly as a white woman, erases the humble nature of the
dish.
“She's essentially making a large amount of money, or could
potentially make a large amount of money, based on taking common
people's Asian food,” Kim said. “She is claiming that congee is
not good on its own, and she as a white woman has found a way to
make congee much, much better, meaning that it serves a white
people's palate.”
Krishnendu Ray, the chair of the Nutrition and Food Studies
department at New York University, said it’s not surprising that
non-Asians would be interested in East Asian cuisine. The
problem comes when white people are the ones who profit from
this culture and sell a “kind of a white women's version of
porridge and then naming it congee because they want a cool,
exotic name.”
“And when that happens, often outsiders come in, and they, in
their minds, upgrade the cuisine,” Ray said.[/quote]
Embellishment is not improvement/upgrading. But Westerners will
never understand this because Western civilization is
aesthetically inferior. Don't believe me? Here is Taylor's
cultural appropriation product:
[img width=1280
height=890]
HTML https://supchina.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/breakfast-cure.jpg[/img]
This is actual congee:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/White_Congee.jpg/800px-White_Congee.jpg
Anyone who thinks the first picture is an
"improvement"/"upgrade" over the second is a Westerner.
Another article trashing Taylor:
HTML https://nextshark.com/congee-backlash-breakfast-cure-asian-dish-western-palate/
[quote]‘Karen, Queen of Congee’ draws backlash over brand
‘improving’ ancient Asian dish for the Western palate
...
There are currently 13 flavors of Breakfast Cure’s prepackaged
“congee.” These include “Apple Cinnamon,” “Coconut Blueberry
Bliss,” “Golden Spice,” “Karen’s Kitchari,” “Mango and Sticky
Rice,” “Masala Chai Spice,” “Mega-Omega,” “Om Berry,”
“Pear-Fection,” “Pineapple Paradise,” “Romano Bean Dream,”
“Tangled Up in Blueberry” and “Three Treasures.”[/quote]
You only have to read the names to know that this is not
"improvement", but Homo Hubris flavouring.
This goes back to what was being discussed here recently:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg7612/#msg7612
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