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       South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2021, 5:46 am
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       OLD CONTENT
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_South_West_Africa
       [quote]In April 1885, the Deutsche Kolonialgesellschaft für
       Südwest-Afrika (German Colonial Society for Southwest Africa,
       known as DKGSWA) was founded with the support of German bankers
       (Gerson von Bleichröder, Adolph von Hansemann), industrialists
       (Count Guido Henckel von Donnersmarck) and politicians
       (Frankfurt mayor Johannes von Miquel). DKGSWA was granted
       monopoly rights to exploit mineral deposits.[2]
       ...
       In May, Heinrich Ernst Göring was appointed Commissioner and
       established his administration at Otjimbingwe. Then, on 17 April
       1886, a law creating the legal system of the colony was passed,
       creating a dual system with laws for Europeans and different
       laws for natives.[3]
       Over the following years relations between the German settlers
       and the indigenous peoples continued to worsen. Additionally,
       the British settlement at Walvis Bay, a coastal enclave within
       South West Africa, continued to develop, and many small farmers
       and missionaries moved into the region. A complex web of
       treaties, agreements, and vendettas increased the unrest. In
       1888 the first group of Schutztruppen—colonial protectorate
       troops—arrived, sent to protect the military base at
       Otjimbingwe.
       In 1890 the colony was declared a German Crown Colony, and more
       troops were sent.[4] In July of the same year, as part of the
       Heligoland–Zanzibar Treaty between Britain and Germany, the
       colony grew in size through the acquisition of the Caprivi Strip
       in the northeast, promising new trade routes into the
       interior.[5]
       Almost simultaneously, between August and September 1892, the
       South West Africa Company Ltd (SWAC) was established by the
       German, British, and Cape Colony governments, aided by
       financiers to raise the capital required to enlarge mineral
       exploitation (specifically, the Damaraland concession's copper
       deposit interests).[/quote]
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herero_and_Namaqua_genocide
       [quote]In 1883, during the scramble for Africa, Franz Adolf
       Eduard Lüderitz, a German merchant, purchased a stretch of coast
       near the Angra Pequena bay from the reigning chief. The terms of
       the purchase were fraudulent, but the German government
       nonetheless established a protectorate over it.[19] At that
       time, it was the only overseas German territory deemed suitable
       for white settlement.[20]
       ...
       The Herero leaders repeatedly complained about violation of this
       treaty, as Herero women and girls were raped by Germans, a crime
       that the German authorities were reluctant to punish.[22]
       In 1890 Maharero's son, Samuel, signed a great deal of land over
       to the Germans in return for helping him to ascend to the
       Ovaherero throne, and to subsequently be established as
       paramount chief.[23] German involvement in ethnic fighting ended
       in tenuous peace in 1894.[citation needed] In that year, Theodor
       Leutwein became governor of the territory, which underwent a
       period of rapid development, while the German government sent
       the Schutztruppe (imperial colonial troops) to pacify the
       region.[24]
       ...
       Under German colonial rule, natives were routinely used as slave
       labourers, and their lands were frequently confiscated and given
       to colonists, who were encouraged to settle on land taken from
       the natives;
       ...
       In 1903, some of the Nama clans rose in revolt under the
       leadership of Hendrik Witbooi.[24] A number of factors led the
       Herero to join them in January 1904.
       One of the major issues was land rights. The Herero had already
       ceded over a quarter of their 130,000 square kilometres (50,000
       sq mi) to German colonists by 1903,[25]:60 before the Otavi
       railway line running from the African coast to inland German
       settlements was completed.[31]:230 Completion of this line would
       have made the German colonies much more accessible and would
       have ushered a new wave of Europeans into the area.[32]:133
       Historian Horst Drechsler states that there was discussion of
       the possibility of establishing and placing the Herero in native
       reserves and that this was further proof of the German
       colonists' sense of ownership over the land. Drechsler
       illustrates the gap between the rights of a European and an
       African; the German Colonial League held that, in regards to
       legal matters, the testimony of seven Africans was equivalent to
       that of a colonist.[32]:132, 133 Bridgman writes about racial
       tensions underlying these developments; the average German
       colonist viewed native Africans as a lowly source of cheap
       labour, and others welcomed their extermination.[25]:60
       A new policy on debt collection, enforced in November 1903, also
       played a role in the uprising. For many years, the Herero
       population had fallen in the habit of borrowing money from
       colonist traders at extreme interest rates. For a long time,
       much of this debt went uncollected and accumulated, as most
       Herero had no means to pay. To correct this growing problem,
       Governor Leutwein decreed with good intentions that all debts
       not paid within the next year would be voided.[25]:59 In the
       absence of hard cash, traders often seized cattle, or whatever
       objects of value they could get their hands on, to recoup their
       loans as quickly as possible. This fostered a feeling of
       resentment towards the Germans on the part of the Herero people,
       which escalated to hopelessness when they saw that German
       officials were sympathetic to the traders
       ...
       The Herero judged the situation intolerable, and revolted in
       early 1904, killing between 123 and 150 Germans, including seven
       Boers and three women,[25]:74 in what Nils Ole Oermann calls a
       "desperate surprise attack".[34]
       The timing of their attack was carefully planned. After
       successfully asking a large Herero clan to surrender their
       weapons, Governor Leutwein was convinced that they and the rest
       of the native population were essentially pacified and so
       withdrew half of the German troops stationed in his
       colony.[25]:56 Led by Chief Samuel Maharero, the Herero
       surrounded Okahandja and cut links[clarification needed] to
       Windhoek, the colonial capital. Maharero then issued a manifesto
       in which he forbade his troops to kill any Englishmen, Boers,
       uninvolved peoples, women and children in general, or German
       missionaries.[25]:70 The Heroro revolts catalysed a separate
       revolt and attack on Fort Namutoni in the north of the country a
       few weeks later by the Ondonga.[35][36]
       Leutwein was forced to request reinforcements and an experienced
       officer from the German government in Berlin.[37]:604
       Lieutenant-General Lothar von Trotha was appointed Supreme
       Commander (German: Oberbefehlshaber) of South West Africa on 3
       May 1904, arriving with an expeditionary force of 14,000 troops
       on 11 June.
       ...
       Leutwein wanted to defeat the most determined Herero rebels and
       negotiate a surrender with the remainder to achieve a political
       settlement.[37]:605 Trotha, however, planned to crush the native
       resistance through military force. He stated that:
       My intimate knowledge of many central African nations (Bantu and
       others) has everywhere convinced me of the necessity that the
       Negro does not respect treaties but only brute force.[19]
       ...
       General Trotha stated his proposed solution to end the
       resistance of the Herero people in a letter, before the Battle
       of Waterberg:[38]:11
       I believe that the nation as such should be annihilated, or, if
       this was not possible by tactical measures, have to be expelled
       from the country ... This will be possible if the water-holes
       from Grootfontein to Gobabis are occupied. The constant movement
       of our troops will enable us to find the small groups of this
       nation who have moved backwards and destroy them gradually.
       Trotha's troops defeated 3,000–5,000 Herero combatants at the
       Battle of Waterberg on 11–12 August 1904 but were unable to
       encircle and annihilate the retreating survivors.[37]:605
       The pursuing German forces prevented groups of Herero from
       breaking from the main body of the fleeing force and pushed them
       further into the desert. As exhausted Herero fell to the ground,
       unable to go on, German soldiers acting on orders killed men,
       women, and children.[39]:22 Jan Cloete, acting as a guide for
       the Germans, witnessed the atrocities committed by the German
       troops and deposed the following statement:[32]:157
       I was present when the Herero were defeated in a battle in the
       vicinity of Waterberg. After the battle all men, women, and
       children who fell into German hands, wounded or otherwise, were
       mercilessly put to death. Then the Germans set off in pursuit of
       the rest, and all those found by the wayside and in the sandveld
       were shot down and bayoneted to death. The mass of the Herero
       men were unarmed and thus unable to offer resistance. They were
       just trying to get away with their cattle.
       A portion of the Herero escaped the Germans and went to the
       Omaheke Desert, hoping to reach British territory of
       Bechuanaland; fewer than 1,000 reached Bechuanaland, where they
       were granted asylum.[40] To prevent them from returning, Trotha
       ordered the desert to be sealed off.[41] German patrols later
       found skeletons around holes 13 metres (43 ft) deep that had
       been dug in a vain attempt to find water. Some sources also
       state that the German colonial army systematically poisoned
       desert water wells.[39][39]:22[42] Maherero and 500–1,500 men
       crossed the Kalahari into Bechuanaland where he was accepted as
       a vassal of the Batswana chief Sekgoma.[43]
       On 2 October, Trotha issued a warning to the Herero [DE 1]:
       I, the great general of the German soldiers, send this letter to
       the Herero. The Herero are German subjects no longer. They have
       killed, stolen, cut off the ears and other parts of the body of
       wounded soldiers, and now are too cowardly to want to fight any
       longer. I announce to the people that whoever hands me one of
       the chiefs shall receive 1,000 marks, and 5,000 marks for Samuel
       Maherero. The Herero nation must now leave the country. If it
       refuses, I shall compel it to do so with the 'long tube'
       (cannon). Any Herero found inside the German frontier, with or
       without a gun or cattle, will be executed. I shall spare neither
       women nor children. I shall give the order to drive them away
       and fire on them. Such are my words to the Herero people.[46]
       ...
       Trotha gave orders that captured Herero males were to be
       executed, while women and children were to be driven into the
       desert where their death from starvation and thirst was to be
       certain; Trotha argued that there was no need to make exceptions
       for Herero women and children, since these would "infect German
       troops with their diseases", the insurrection Trotha explained
       "is and remains the beginning of a racial struggle".[37]:605
       Regardless, German soldiers regularly raped young Herero women
       before killing them or letting them die in the desert.[47]:272
       After the war, Trotha argued that his orders were necessary,
       writing in 1909 that "If I had made the small water holes
       accessible to the womenfolk, I would run the risk of an African
       catastrophe comparable to the Battle of Beresonia."[39]
       The German general staff was aware of the atrocities that were
       taking place; its official publication, named Der Kampf, noted
       that:
       This bold enterprise shows up in the most brilliant light the
       ruthless energy of the German command in pursuing their beaten
       enemy. No pains, no sacrifices were spared in eliminating the
       last remnants of enemy resistance. Like a wounded beast the
       enemy was tracked down from one water-hole to the next, until
       finally he became the victim of his own environment. The arid
       Omaheke [desert] was to complete what the German army had begun:
       the extermination of the Herero nation.[48][49]
       Alfred von Schlieffen (Chief of the Imperial German General
       Staff) approved of Trotha's intentions in terms of a "racial
       struggle" and the need to "wipe out the entire nation or to
       drive them out of the country", but had doubts about his
       strategy, preferring their surrender.[50]
       Governor Leutwein, later relieved of his duties, complained to
       Chancellor von Bülow about Trotha's actions, seeing the
       general's orders as intruding upon the civilian colonial
       jurisdiction and ruining any chance of a political
       settlement.[37]:606 According to Professor Mahmood Mamdani from
       Columbia University, opposition to the policy of annihilation
       was largely the consequence of the fact that colonial officials
       looked at the Herero people as a potential source of labour, and
       thus economically important.[38]:12 For instance, Governor
       Leutwein wrote that:
       I do not concur with those fanatics who want to see the Herero
       destroyed altogether ... I would consider such a move a grave
       mistake from an economic point of view. We need the Herero as
       cattle breeders ... and especially as labourers.[19]:169
       Having no authority over the military, Chancellor Bülow could
       only advise Emperor Wilhelm II that Trotha's actions were
       "contrary to Christian and humanitarian principle, economically
       devastating and damaging to Germany's international
       reputation."[37]:606 Upon the arrival of new orders at the end
       of 1904, prisoners were herded into concentration camps, where
       they were given to private companies as slave labourers or
       exploited as human guinea pigs in medical experiments.[8][51]
       ...
       Survivors of the massacre, the majority of whom were women and
       children, were eventually put in places like Shark Island
       Concentration Camp, where the German authorities forced them to
       work as slave labour for German military and settlers. All
       prisoners were categorised into groups fit and unfit for work,
       and pre-printed death certificates indicating "death by
       exhaustion following privation" were issued.[54] The British
       government published their well-known account of the German
       genocide of the Nama and Herero peoples in 1918.[55]
       Many Herero died later of disease, exhaustion, and
       malnutrition.[56][57] Estimates of the mortality rate at the
       camps are between 45%[58][59] and 74%.[30]:196–216[58][59]
       Food in the camps was extremely scarce, consisting of rice with
       no additions.[60]:92 As the prisoners lacked pots and the rice
       they received was uncooked, it was indigestible; horses and oxen
       that died in the camp were later distributed to the inmates as
       food.[27]:75 Dysentery and lung diseases were common.[27]:76
       Despite those conditions, the Herero were taken outside the camp
       every day for labour under harsh treatment by the German guards,
       while the sick were left without any medical assistance or
       nursing care.[27]:76
       Shootings, hangings, beatings, and other harsh treatment of the
       forced labourers (including use of sjamboks) were
       common.[27]:76[61] A 28 September 1905 article in the South
       African newspaper Cape Argus detailed some of the abuse with the
       heading: "In German S. W. Africa: Further Startling Allegations:
       Horrible Cruelty". In an interview with Percival Griffith, "an
       accountant of profession, who owing to hard times, took up on
       transport work at Angra Pequena, Lüderitz", related his
       experiences.
       There are hundreds of them, mostly women and children and a few
       old men ... when they fall they are sjamboked by the soldiers in
       charge of the gang, with full force, until they get up ... On
       one occasion I saw a woman carrying a child of under a year old
       slung at her back, and with a heavy sack of grain on her head
       ... she fell. The corporal sjamboked her for certainly more than
       four minutes and sjamboked the baby as well ... the woman
       struggled slowly to her feet, and went on with her load. She did
       not utter a sound the whole time, but the baby cried very
       hard.[62]
       During the war, a number of people from the Cape (in modern-day
       South Africa) sought employment as transport riders for German
       troops in Namibia. Upon their return to the Cape, some of these
       people recounted their stories, including those of the
       imprisonment and genocide of the Herero and Nama people. Fred
       Cornell, a British aspirant diamond prospector, was in Lüderitz
       when the Shark Island concentration camp was being used. Cornell
       wrote of the camp:
       Cold - for the nights are often bitterly cold there - hunger,
       thirst, exposure, disease and madness claimed scores of victims
       every day, and cartloads of their bodies were every day carted
       over to the back beach, buried in a few inches of sand at low
       tide, and as the tide came in the bodies went out, food for the
       sharks.[62][63]
       ...
       German Commander Von Estorff wrote in a report that
       approximately 1700 prisoners (including 1203 Nama) had died by
       April 1907. In December 1906, four months after their arrival,
       291 Nama died (a rate of more than nine people per day).
       Missionary reports put the death rate at 12–18 per day; as many
       as 80% of the prisoners sent to Shark Island eventually died
       there.[62]
       There are accusations of Herero women being coerced into sex
       slavery as a means of survival.[38]:12[65]
       ...
       Benjamin Madley argues that although Shark Island is referred to
       as a concentration camp, it functioned as an extermination camp
       or death camp.[66][67][68]
       ...
       Prisoners were used for medical experiments and their illnesses
       or their recoveries from them were used for research.[69]
       Experiments on live prisoners were performed by Dr. Bofinger,
       who injected Herero that were suffering from scurvy with various
       substances including arsenic and opium; afterwards he researched
       the effects of these substances via autopsy.[18]:225
       Experimentation with the dead body parts of the prisoners was
       rife. Zoologist Leonhard Schultze (1872-1955)[70][better source
       needed] noted taking "body parts from fresh native corpses"
       which according to him was a "welcome addition," and he also
       noted that he could use prisoners for that purpose.[71][/quote]
       #Post#: 4984--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2021, 5:48 am
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       OLD CONTENT contd.
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Island_Concentration_Camp
       [quote]Although there are records of Herero prisoners-of-war
       being held in Lüderitz Bay as early as 1904, the first
       references to a camp at Shark Island and the transfer of large
       numbers of Herero prisoners from Keetmanshoop are in March
       1905.[12] From early on, large numbers of Herero died in the
       camp, with 59 men, 59 women and 73 children reportedly dying by
       late May 1905.[13] Despite this high initial rate of mortality
       on the island which, with its cold climate, was unsuitable for
       habitation, particularly for people used to the dry, arid
       climate of the veld, the German authorities continued to
       transfer people from the interior to the island, ostensibly
       because of a lack of food in the interior, but also because they
       wished to use the prisoners as labour in constructing a railway
       connecting Lüderitz with Aus.[14]
       ...
       Word quickly spread among the Herero of the conditions at the
       camp, with prisoners in other parts of German South West Africa
       reportedly committing suicide rather than be deported to
       Lüderitz due to the stories of harsh conditions there in late
       1905.[15] The Cape Argus, a South African newspaper, also ran
       stories describing terrible conditions at the camp in late
       September 1905. One transport rider who was described as having
       been employed at the camp in early 1905 was quoted as saying:
       The women who are captured and not executed are set to work for
       the military as prisoners ... saw numbers of them at Angra
       Pequena (i.e., Lüderitz) put to the hardest work, and so starved
       that they were nothing but skin and bones [...] They are given
       hardly anything to eat, and I have very often seen them pick up
       bits of refuse food thrown away by the transport riders. If they
       are caught doing so, they are sjamboked (whipped).[16]
       August Kuhlmann was one of the first civilians to visit the
       camp. What he witnessed shocked him as he described in September
       1905:
       A woman, who was so weak from illness that she could not stand,
       crawled to some of the other prisoners to beg for water. The
       overseer fired five shots at her. Two shots hit her: one in the
       thigh, the other smashing her forearm...in the night she
       died.[17]
       Many cases of rape of prisoners by Germans were reported at the
       camp.[18] Although some of these cases did result in the
       perpetrator being successfully punished where a "white champion"
       took up the victim's cause, the majority of cases went
       unpunished.[19]
       Other factors such as minimal food rations, uncontrolled
       diseases, and maltreatment led to high mortality rates.
       Prisoners typically received a handful of uncooked rice.
       Diseases such as typhoid spread quickly. Prisoners were
       concentrated in large, unsanitary living quarters with low
       medical attention. Beating occurred frequently as the German
       officials often used the sjambok to force prisoners to work.
       ...
       Whilst the Germans initially followed a policy of sending people
       from the south to concentration camps in the north, and vice
       versa,[20] meaning that Nama prisoners mostly went to
       concentration camps around the city of Windhoek, by mid-1906
       Germans in Windhoek were becoming increasingly concerned about
       the presence of so many prisoners in their city. In response to
       these concerns, in August 1906 the Germans began to transfer
       Nama prisoners to Shark Island, sending them by cattle-car to
       Swakopmund and then by sea to Lüderitz.[21] The Nama leader,
       Samuel Isaak, protested this, saying that their transfer to
       Lüderitz had not been part of the agreement under which they had
       surrendered to the Germans, however, the Germans ignored these
       protests.[21] By late 1906, 2,000 Nama were held prisoner on the
       island.
       ...
       The prisoners held on Shark Island were used as forced labour
       throughout the camp's existence.[22] This labour was made
       available by the German army Etappenkommando for use by private
       companies throughout the Lüderitz area, working on
       infrastructure projects such as railway construction, the
       building of the harbour, and flattening and levelling Shark
       Island through the use of explosives.[23] This highly dangerous
       and physical work inevitably led to large-scale sickness and
       death amongst the prisoners, with one German technician
       complaining that the 1,600-strong Nama work force had shrunk to
       a strength of only 30–40 available for work due to 7–8 deaths
       occurring daily by late 1906.[24] The policy of forced labour
       officially ended when prisoner-of-war status for the Herero and
       Nama was revoked on 1 April 1908, although Herero and Nama
       continued to labour on colonial projects after this.[25][/quote]
       [quote]According to the Whitaker Report, the population of
       80,000 Herero was reduced to 15,000 "starving refugees" between
       1904 and 1907.[77]
       ...
       With the closure of concentration camps, all surviving Herero
       were distributed as labourers for settlers in the German colony.
       From that time on, all Herero over the age of seven were forced
       to wear a metal disc with their labour registration
       number,[38]:12 and banned from owning land or cattle
       ...
       The German losses were 676 soldiers killed in combat, 76
       missing, and 689 dead from disease.[27]:88 The Reiterdenkmal
       (English: Equestrian Monument) in Windhoek was erected in 1912
       to celebrate the victory and to remember the fallen Germans with
       no mention of the killed indigenous population.[/quote]
       (So yes, the Holocaust was real. But its perpetrators were not
       "Nazis", but colonial era Germans, and its victims were not
       Jews, but Herero, Nama and other "black" people. But how many
       people around the world have heard of this compared with the
       fake Holohoax?)
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shark_Island_Concentration_Camp
       [quote]Although there are records of Herero prisoners-of-war
       being held in Lüderitz Bay as early as 1904, the first
       references to a camp at Shark Island and the transfer of large
       numbers of Herero prisoners from Keetmanshoop are in March
       1905.[12] From early on, large numbers of Herero died in the
       camp, with 59 men, 59 women and 73 children reportedly dying by
       late May 1905.[13] Despite this high initial rate of mortality
       on the island which, with its cold climate, was unsuitable for
       habitation, particularly for people used to the dry, arid
       climate of the veld, the German authorities continued to
       transfer people from the interior to the island, ostensibly
       because of a lack of food in the interior, but also because they
       wished to use the prisoners as labour in constructing a railway
       connecting Lüderitz with Aus.[14]
       ...
       Word quickly spread among the Herero of the conditions at the
       camp, with prisoners in other parts of German South West Africa
       reportedly committing suicide rather than be deported to
       Lüderitz due to the stories of harsh conditions there in late
       1905.[15] The Cape Argus, a South African newspaper, also ran
       stories describing terrible conditions at the camp in late
       September 1905. One transport rider who was described as having
       been employed at the camp in early 1905 was quoted as saying:
       The women who are captured and not executed are set to work for
       the military as prisoners ... saw numbers of them at Angra
       Pequena (i.e., Lüderitz) put to the hardest work, and so starved
       that they were nothing but skin and bones [...] They are given
       hardly anything to eat, and I have very often seen them pick up
       bits of refuse food thrown away by the transport riders. If they
       are caught doing so, they are sjamboked (whipped).[16]
       August Kuhlmann was one of the first civilians to visit the
       camp. What he witnessed shocked him as he described in September
       1905:
       A woman, who was so weak from illness that she could not stand,
       crawled to some of the other prisoners to beg for water. The
       overseer fired five shots at her. Two shots hit her: one in the
       thigh, the other smashing her forearm...in the night she
       died.[17]
       Many cases of rape of prisoners by Germans were reported at the
       camp.[18] Although some of these cases did result in the
       perpetrator being successfully punished where a "white champion"
       took up the victim's cause, the majority of cases went
       unpunished.[19]
       Other factors such as minimal food rations, uncontrolled
       diseases, and maltreatment led to high mortality rates.
       Prisoners typically received a handful of uncooked rice.
       Diseases such as typhoid spread quickly. Prisoners were
       concentrated in large, unsanitary living quarters with low
       medical attention. Beating occurred frequently as the German
       officials often used the sjambok to force prisoners to work.
       ...
       Whilst the Germans initially followed a policy of sending people
       from the south to concentration camps in the north, and vice
       versa,[20] meaning that Nama prisoners mostly went to
       concentration camps around the city of Windhoek, by mid-1906
       Germans in Windhoek were becoming increasingly concerned about
       the presence of so many prisoners in their city. In response to
       these concerns, in August 1906 the Germans began to transfer
       Nama prisoners to Shark Island, sending them by cattle-car to
       Swakopmund and then by sea to Lüderitz.[21] The Nama leader,
       Samuel Isaak, protested this, saying that their transfer to
       Lüderitz had not been part of the agreement under which they had
       surrendered to the Germans, however, the Germans ignored these
       protests.[21] By late 1906, 2,000 Nama were held prisoner on the
       island.
       ...
       The prisoners held on Shark Island were used as forced labour
       throughout the camp's existence.[22] This labour was made
       available by the German army Etappenkommando for use by private
       companies throughout the Lüderitz area, working on
       infrastructure projects such as railway construction, the
       building of the harbour, and flattening and levelling Shark
       Island through the use of explosives.[23] This highly dangerous
       and physical work inevitably led to large-scale sickness and
       death amongst the prisoners, with one German technician
       complaining that the 1,600-strong Nama work force had shrunk to
       a strength of only 30–40 available for work due to 7–8 deaths
       occurring daily by late 1906.[24] The policy of forced labour
       officially ended when prisoner-of-war status for the Herero and
       Nama was revoked on 1 April 1908, although Herero and Nama
       continued to labour on colonial projects after this.[25][/quote]
       [quote]According to the Whitaker Report, the population of
       80,000 Herero was reduced to 15,000 "starving refugees" between
       1904 and 1907.[77]
       ...
       With the closure of concentration camps, all surviving Herero
       were distributed as labourers for settlers in the German colony.
       From that time on, all Herero over the age of seven were forced
       to wear a metal disc with their labour registration
       number,[38]:12 and banned from owning land or cattle
       ...
       The German losses were 676 soldiers killed in combat, 76
       missing, and 689 dead from disease.[27]:88 The Reiterdenkmal
       (English: Equestrian Monument) in Windhoek was erected in 1912
       to celebrate the victory and to remember the fallen Germans with
       no mention of the killed indigenous population.[/quote]
       (So yes, the Holocaust was real. But its perpetrators were not
       "Nazis", but colonial era Germans, and its victims were not
       Jews, but Herero, Nama and other "black" people. But how many
       people around the world have heard of this compared with the
       fake Holohoax?)
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_West_Africa
       [quote]In 1915, during South West Africa Campaign of World War
       I, South Africa captured the German colony. After the war, it
       was declared a League of Nations Class C Mandate territory under
       the Treaty of Versailles, with the Union of South Africa
       responsible for the administration of South West Africa.
       ...
       The Prime Minister, Jan Smuts, objected to South West Africa
       coming under UN control and refused to allow the territory's
       transition to independence, instead seeking to make it South
       Africa's fifth province in 1946.[7]
       Although this never occurred, in 1949, the South West Africa
       Affairs Act was amended to give representation in the Parliament
       of South Africa to whites in South West Africa, which gave them
       six seats in the House of Assembly and four in the Senate.[8]
       This was to the advantage of the National Party, which enjoyed
       strong support from the predominantly Afrikaner and ethnic
       German white population in the territory.[9] Between 1950 and
       1977, all of South West Africa's parliamentary seats were held
       by the National Party.[10][/quote]
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#South_African_mandate
       [quote]South Africa began imposing apartheid, its codified
       system of racial segregation and discrimination, on South West
       Africa during the late 1940s.[36] Black South West Africans were
       subject to pass laws, curfews, and a host of draconian
       residential regulations that heavily restricted their movement.
       Development was concentrated in the region of the country
       immediately adjacent to South Africa, formally denoted as the
       "Police Zone", where most of the German colonial era settlements
       and mines were also located. Outside the Police Zone, indigenous
       peoples were restricted to theoretically self-governing tribal
       homelands.[37][/quote]
       NEVER FORGIVE. NEVER FORGET.
       #Post#: 4985--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2021, 5:49 am
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       OLD CONTENT contd.
       Finally:
       [quote]During the late 1950s and early 1960s, pressure for
       global decolonisation and national self-determination began
       mounting on the African continent; these factors had a radical
       impact on South West African nationalism. Early nationalist
       organisations such as the South West African National Union
       (SWANU) and South West African People's Organisation (SWAPO)
       made determined attempts to establish indigenous political
       structures for an independent South West Africa.[38] In 1966,
       following the ICJ's controversial ruling that it had no legal
       standing to consider the question of South African rule, SWAPO
       launched an armed insurgency which escalated into part of a
       wider regional conflict known as the South African Border
       War.[39][/quote]
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War#Internal_oppositi
       on_to_South_African_rule
       [quote]Modelled after Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the
       African National Congress,[47] the South West African Liberation
       Army (SWALA) was formed by SWAPO in 1962.
       ...
       In November 1960, Ethiopia and Liberia had formally petitioned
       the ICJ for a binding judgement, rather than an advisory
       opinion, on whether South Africa remained fit to govern South
       West Africa. Both nations made it clear that they considered the
       implementation of apartheid to be a violation of Pretoria's
       obligations as a mandatory power.[46]
       ...
       Around March 1962 SWAPO president Sam Nujoma visited the party's
       refugee camps across Tanzania, describing his recent petitions
       for South West African independence at the Non-Aligned Movement
       and the UN. He pointed out that independence was unlikely in the
       foreseeable future, predicting a "long and bitter struggle".[15]
       Nujoma personally directed two exiles in Dar es Salaam, Lucas
       Pohamba and Elia Muatale, to return to South West Africa,
       infiltrate Ovamboland and send back more potential recruits for
       SWALA.[15] Over the next few years Pohamba and Muatale
       successfully recruited hundreds of volunteers from the
       Ovamboland countryside, most of whom were shipped to Eastern
       Europe for guerrilla training.[15] Between July 1962 and October
       1963 SWAPO negotiated military alliances with other
       anti-colonial movements, namely in Angola.[5] It also absorbed
       the separatist Caprivi African National Union (CANU), which was
       formed to combat South African rule in the Caprivi Strip.[14]
       Outside the Soviet bloc, Egypt continued training SWALA
       personnel. By 1964 others were also being sent to Ghana,
       Algeria, the People's Republic of China, and North Korea for
       military instruction.[15] In June of that year, SWAPO confirmed
       that it was irrevocably committed to the course of armed
       revolution.[5]
       ...
       In September 1965, the first cadre of six SWALA guerrillas,
       identified simply as "Group 1", departed the Kongwa refugee camp
       to infiltrate South West Africa.[14][2] Group 1 trekked first
       into Angola, before crossing the border into the Caprivi
       Strip.[2] Encouraged by South Africa's apparent failure to
       detect the initial incursion, larger cadres made their own
       infiltration attempts in February and March 1966.[5] The second
       cadre, "Group 2", was led by Leonard Philemon Shuuya,[5] also
       known by the nom de guerre "Castro" or "Leonard Nangolo".[14]
       Group 2 apparently become lost in Angola before it was able to
       cross the border, and the cadre dispersed after an incident in
       which the guerrillas killed two shopkeepers and a vagrant.[2]
       Three were arrested by the Portuguese colonial authorities in
       Angola, working off tips received from local civilians.[2]
       Another eight, including Shuuya,[5] had been captured between
       March and May by the South African police, apparently in
       Kavangoland.[14] Shuuya later resurfaced at Kongwa, claiming to
       have escaped his captors after his arrest. He helped plan two
       further incursions: a third SWALA group entered Ovamboland that
       July, while a fourth was scheduled to follow in September.[5]
       On 18 July 1966, the ICJ ruled that it had no authority to
       decide on the South West African affair. Furthermore, the court
       found that while Ethiopia and Liberia had locus standi to
       institute proceedings on the matter, neither had enough vested
       legal interest in South West Africa to entitle them to a
       judgement of merits.[55] This ruling was met with great
       indignation by SWAPO and the OAU.[48] SWAPO officials
       immediately issued a statement from Dar es Salaam declaring that
       they now had "no alternative but to rise in arms" and "cross
       rivers of blood" in their march towards freedom.[15] Upon
       receiving the news SWALA escalated its insurgency.[48] Its third
       cadre, which had infiltrated Ovamboland in July, attacked
       white-owned farms, traditional Ovambo leaders perceived as South
       African agents, and a border post.[5] The guerrillas set up camp
       at Omugulugwombashe, one of five potential bases identified by
       SWALA's initial reconnaissance team as appropriate sites to
       train future recruits.[5] Here, they drilled up to thirty local
       volunteers between September 1965 and August 1966.[5] South
       African intelligence became aware of the camp by mid 1966 and
       identified its general location.[15] On 26 August 1966, the
       first major clash of the conflict took place when South African
       paratroops and paramilitary police units executed Operation
       Blouwildebees to capture or kill the insurgents.[54] SWALA had
       dug trenches around Omugulugwombashe for defensive purposes, but
       was taken by surprise and most of the cadre was quickly
       overpowered.[54] The South Africans killed two guerrillas,
       wounded one, and captured eight more.[54] This engagement is
       widely regarded as the start of what became known in South
       Africa as the Border War, and according to SWAPO, officially
       marked the beginning of its revolutionary armed
       struggle.[15][56]
       ...
       As the war intensified, South Africa's case for annexation in
       the international community continued to decline, coinciding
       with an unparalleled wave of sympathy for SWAPO.[41] Despite the
       ICJ's advisory opinions to the contrary, as well as the
       dismissal of the case presented by Ethiopia and Liberia, the UN
       declared that South Africa had failed in its obligations to
       ensure the moral and material well-being of the indigenous
       inhabitants of South West Africa, and had thus disavowed its own
       mandate.[58] The UN thereby assumed that the mandate was
       terminated, which meant South Africa had no further right to
       administer the territory, and that henceforth South West Africa
       would come under the direct responsibility of the General
       Assembly.[58] The post of United Nations Commissioner for South
       West Africa was created, as well as an ad hoc council, to
       recommend practical means for local administration.[58] South
       Africa maintained it did not recognise the jurisdiction of the
       UN with regards to the mandate and refused visas to the
       commissioner or the council.[58] On 12 June 1968, the UN General
       Assembly adopted a resolution which proclaimed that, in
       accordance with the desires of its people, South West Africa be
       renamed Namibia.[58] United Nations Security Council Resolution
       269, adopted in August 1969, declared South Africa's continued
       occupation of "Namibia" illegal.[58][59] In recognition of the
       UN's decision, SWALA was renamed the People's Liberation Army of
       Namibia.[14]
       ...
       mines were strategically placed along roads to hamper police
       convoys or throw them into disarray prior to an ambush;
       guerrillas also laid others along their infiltration routes on
       the long border with Angola.[61] The proliferation of mines in
       South West Africa initially resulted in heavy police casualties
       and would become one of the most defining features of PLAN's war
       effort for the next two decades.[61]
       ...
       Swelled by thousands of new recruits and an increasingly
       sophisticated arsenal of heavy weapons, PLAN undertook more
       direct confrontations with the security forces in 1973.[62]
       Insurgent activity took the form of ambushes and selective
       target attacks, particularly in the Caprivi near the Zambian
       border.[66] On the evening of 26 January 1973 a heavily armed
       cadre of about 50 PLAN insurgents attacked a police base at
       Singalamwe, Caprivi with mortars, machine guns, and a single
       tube, man portable rocket launcher.[59][67] The police were
       ill-equipped to repel the attack and the base soon caught fire
       due to the initial rocket bombardment, which incapacitated both
       the senior officer and his second in command.[67] This marked
       the beginning of a new phase of the South African Border War in
       which the scope and intensity of PLAN raids was greatly
       increased.[54] By the end of 1973, PLAN's insurgency had
       engulfed six regions: Caprivi, Ovamboland, Kaokoland, and
       Kavangoland.[54] It had also successfully recruited another
       2,400 Ovambo and 600 Caprivian guerrillas.[59] PLAN reports from
       late 1973 indicate that the militants planned to open up two new
       fronts in central South West Africa and carry out acts of urban
       insurrection in Windhoek, Walvis Bay, and other major urban
       centres.[54]
       ...
       Another significant factor of the physical environment was South
       West Africa's limited road network. The main arteries for SADF
       bases on the border were two highways leading west to Ruacana
       and north to Oshikango, and a third which stretched from
       Grootfontein through Kavangoland to Rundu.[32] Much of this
       vital road infrastructure was vulnerable to guerrilla sabotage:
       innumerable road culverts and bridges were blown up and rebuilt
       multiple times over the course of the war.[54][103] After their
       destruction PLAN saboteurs sowed the surrounding area with land
       mines to catch the South African engineers sent to repair
       them.[29] One of the most routine tasks for local sector troops
       was a morning patrol along their assigned stretch of highway to
       check for mines or overnight sabotage.[29] Despite their efforts
       it was nearly impossible to guard or patrol the almost limitless
       number of vulnerable points on the road network, and losses from
       mines mounted steadily; for instance in 1977 the SADF suffered
       16 deaths due to mined roads.[62] Aside from road sabotage, the
       SADF was also forced to contend with regular ambushes of both
       military and civilian traffic throughout Ovamboland.[29]
       ...
       South Africa pledged to begin bestowing independence on South
       West Africa by 1 November 1989.
       ...
       South West Africa formally obtained independence as the Republic
       of Namibia on 21 March 1990.[175][/quote]
       Well done Non-Aligned Movement! (Cuba played an especially
       important role, though not mentioned here because its
       involvement was more relevant to Angola, which is another
       story.)
       en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Aligned_Movement
       This is a good example of multinational anti-colonialist
       collaboration that should continue to inspire us.
       #Post#: 6782--------------------------------------------------
       Germany officially recognizes colonial-era Namibia genocide 
       By: guest5 Date: May 29, 2021, 3:47 pm
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       Germany officially recognizes colonial-era Namibia genocide
       [quote]Germany on Friday formally recognized as genocide the
       crimes committed by its colonial troops at the beginning of the
       20th century against the Herero and Nama people in what is now
       Namibia.
       Foreign Minister Heiko Maas (SPD) said in a statement that as a
       "gesture of recognition of the immeasurable suffering" Germany
       caused, it would set up a fund amounting to €1.1 billion (US $
       1.34 billion). Affected communities would play a key role in
       deciding what the funds were used for, the Foreign Ministry said
       in a statement, while legal claims for compensation would not be
       deducted from it.
       The aim of the negotiations that lasted more than half a decade
       was "to find a common path to genuine reconciliation in memory
       of the victims," Maas explained.
       The foreign minister said that representative of the Herero and
       Nama communities were closely involved in negotiations with
       Namibia lasting more than five years.
       Germany began talks with the Namibian government in 2015 on what
       was termed a "future-oriented reappraisal of German colonial
       rule.''
       Germany's former development minister, Heidemarie
       Wieczorek-Zeul, offered her country's first apology for the
       killings on a trip to Namibia in 2004, where she said the
       country's actions would be seen as genocidal in today's terms.
       The declaration is expected to be signed by Maas in the Namibian
       capital, Windhoek, in early June.
       Parliaments in both countries must then ratify the declaration.
       President Frank-Walter Steinmeier is then expected to officially
       apologize for Germany's crimes in front of the Namibian
       Parliament.
       The German Empire was the colonial power in what was then called
       German South West Africa from 1884 to 1915.
       During that time, its military forces brutally put down several
       rebellions, killing tens of thousands of people.
       German General Lothar von Trotha, who was sent to quell a Herero
       uprising in 1904, was particularly known for his extreme
       ruthlessness.
       Historians generally accept that up to 65,000 of roughly 80,000
       Herero people living in the area at the time, and at least
       10,000 of the roughly 20,000 Nama people, were killed.[/quote]
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqjacCNhgO0
       #Post#: 6911--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 5, 2021, 12:22 am
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       Good to see Namibia not fooled:
  HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/viewpoint-why-germanys-namibia-genocide-001947186.html
       [quote]Why Germany's Namibia genocide apology is not enough
       Germany's long-awaited apology for last century's mass killing
       in Namibia has opened fresh questions about how Europe confronts
       its colonial past in Africa, argues Namibian analyst Emsie
       Erastus.
       ...
       The media announcement on Friday was stage craft at its best: a
       carefully compiled statement seemingly to avoid any legal
       culpability. It came as the largest faction within the Ovaherero
       community continue to pursue attempts to sue the German state
       for the genocide.
       The message was intended for a sceptical German audience that,
       according to multiple studies, has little remembrance of the
       killings or of the country's past as a powerful colonial force
       with dominion over modern-day Togo, Namibia, Burundi, and
       Tanzania.
       'Hollow declaration'
       In terms of fully acknowledging its colonial past in Namibia,
       Germany has always been reluctant to do so. This is despite
       providing development support to successive administrations
       since Namibia's independence in 1990.
       ...
       Germany made it clear that it is willing to atone for its
       colonial crimes "without sparing or glossing over them".
       But the country also needs to come to terms with the origins of
       a racialised view of the world, placing Western authorities at
       the top and Africans at the bottom.
       'Patronising aid'
       In the colonial era, Africans were regarded as "barbarians" who
       lacked the abilities to bring about economic and technological
       change, justifying the intervention of the imperial powers.
       This view defined how the West perceived and presented Africa in
       the past, and the echoes of that view may be found today.
       Development aid can still be presented in a patronising way,
       maintaining an unequal relationship.
       If it is being seen as an alternative to reparations, with fewer
       legal ramifications, it does not dismantle the relationship that
       allowed the genocide to happen in the first place.[/quote]
       We do not want money. We want justice.
       #Post#: 7040--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 10, 2021, 2:09 pm
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  HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-acknowledges-colonial-era-genocide-164238547.html
       [quote]As Germany Acknowledges Its Colonial-Era Genocide in
       Namibia, the Brutal Legacy of Diamond Mining Still Needs a
       Reckoning
       ...
       Millions of carats in diamonds have been exported from Namibia
       since 1908. These same sparkling stones have a dirty history
       tied to German colonial rule. Right now, official statements
       about Germany’s debt to Namibia do not account for those
       gemstones at all. The debt Germany owes is construed as limited
       to the recognized period of genocide—even though the real money
       that Germans made and controlled in Namibia came after 1908, and
       the process of making that money implicated many parts of the
       world in a deadly, brutal colonial process. We cannot really
       assess what Germany and the world “owe” Namibia until we
       consider this economic dimension of the past.
       ...
       Germans began settling in Southwest Africa with the conviction
       that diamonds would turn up there, because of the Namib desert’s
       proximity to lucrative South African mines. Adolf Lüderitz, the
       “founder” of the German colony in Namibia, conned indigenous
       leaders out of their land. But his hunt for diamonds proved
       fruitless—and, in fact, he died while prospecting.
       Lüderitz’s successors hunted clues, spurred on by gemstones that
       sporadically popped up in the hands of indigenous traders and
       European missionaries. Backed by major German banks, some
       Germans sought to colonize stretches of land judged likely to
       contain diamond mines. Between 1904 and 1907, a dozen spots
       taken from slaughtered Herero and Nama people—the victims of the
       recently acknowledged genocide—were identified by engineers as
       containing “blue ground,” a type of rock that had so far
       accompanied all diamond finds in South Africa. German Emperor
       William II viewed documents on this subject around the same time
       as he backed an infamous “extermination order” from his
       now-reviled general, Lothar von Trotha. People can view the
       correspondence today in the Berlin-based archives of the German
       state.
       In 1908, when Germans at last found major reserves of
       diamonds—in sand dunes, not underground mines—they discovered
       quantities so massive as to allow for more than a century of
       continual mining. Insiders confirmed to a consortium of German
       financiers that billions of dollars’ worth of diamonds (in 1908
       terms!) lay buried in the shifting sands of the Namib desert.
       Germany, owing to its colonial occupation of Namibia, suddenly
       controlled as much as 30% of the world’s diamond supply. There
       was major money at stake. And there was a compelling new reason
       for Germans to continue, and legally endorse, violent acts that
       left Germans as owners of nearly all Namibian property.
       Chillingly, the core of the nascent German diamond business, a
       boomtown oceanside settlement grandiosely named Lüderitz, served
       as the site for a German concentration camp imprisoning Nama and
       Herero from 1904 to 1908.
       As the German government sought to monetize Namibian diamonds
       after 1908, they had to assemble a workforce but, owing to the
       genocide, found few Nama and Herero willing or able to
       participate. The “solution” was the importation of tens of
       thousands of additional African workers. The largest such group
       consisted of Ovambo people, who were indigenous to Southwest
       Africa but lived in an area to the Namib desert’s north, outside
       German colonial control. Starting in 1908, many Ovambos traveled
       to diamond fields hoping they could send their wages home to
       families devastated by drought and harvest failure. Once
       arrived, though, the workers met with a nightmare. Living
       conditions were abysmal, beatings and contractual fraud were
       rampant, and death rates grew so high as to rival those of the
       genocide. The diamond industry established under German colonial
       rule perpetuated a relationship between violence and profits.
       And Namibian diamonds became “blood” or “conflict” diamonds,
       before the concept existed.
       ...
       Today, conversations in Germany about Namibia tend to operate
       within established parameters, concentrating on moral debt to
       the descendants of the Nama and Herero, the indigenous peoples
       nearly wiped out between 1904 and 1908, and on the repatriation
       of Namibian cultural artifacts sitting in German museums. While
       these emphases are proper, the conversation is incomplete if it
       doesn’t also include economic history. As with Namibian land—the
       large majority of which still rests in European hands—ownership
       of Namibian diamond wealth was effectively seized by Germans
       before, during and after the genocide. Later, as German rule
       started to collapse in World War I, control of diamond rights in
       Namibia was sold to South Africans at prices generous enough to
       make many millionaires.
       It is crucial to remember that, absent German colonial violence,
       lasting transfers of wealth from Namibia would not have occurred
       in the way they did. It is also important for global consumers
       to realize how they and their ancestors might have played an
       unwitting role in this tragedy.
       Though brief in its duration, German colonialism in Namibia
       proved economically significant—for Germans, for Africans and
       for global commodity chains connected to the United States.
       Germany’s official conversation about genocide has made notable
       progress. But Namibia, and the world, need more.[/quote]
       Which is not to say that Namibians should demand to be paid a
       monetary sum for the diamonds, which would require messy
       estimates of how much in today's money would be equivalent to
       the value of the diamonds back then. Instead, since the profit
       from the diamond trade was spent on building up Germany,
       Namibians should demand German citizenship.
       #Post#: 18997--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2023, 11:38 pm
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  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgyOYdxirxk
       We need:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/statue-decolonization/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/
       And Sadlowski (as well as all other remaining colonialists,
       including those who own the 70% of farmland) should be
       exterminated ASAP (preferably as painfully as possible).
       #Post#: 19007--------------------------------------------------
       Re: South West Africa
       By: antihellenistic Date: April 24, 2023, 5:50 am
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       [quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=583.msg18997#msg18997
       date=1682224715]
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgyOYdxirxk
       We need:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/decolonized-housing-(america-edition)/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/statue-decolonization/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/
       And Sadlowski (as well as all other remaining colonialists,
       including those who own the 70% of farmland) should be
       exterminated ASAP (preferably as painfully as possible).
       [/quote]
       Answering Norbert Sadlowski, we don't want every root of Jewish
       and White history to be judged positively or to be preserved.
       Even Hitler considers the Whites and Jews themselves a negative
       creatures you know.
       #Post#: 25205--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Colonial Crimes
       By: Schwartze Katze Date: February 25, 2024, 2:58 pm
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       Is Germany’s other genocide being forgotten? | The Listening
       Post
       [quote]Germany’s genocide in Namibia early in the 20th century
       has long been a misremembered episode in colonial history.
       Despite efforts to correct the record, many are yet to hear the
       testimonies of the victimised communities: the Herero and Nama
       peoples.[/quote]
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrGEMnxyJCw
       Comments:
       [quote]Al Jazeera is doing humanity a great service by exposing
       such past horrors.[/quote]
       [quote]Only when lions have historians, will hunters cease being
       heroes. - African Proverb[/quote]
       [quote]Some wisdom for Africa : Colonizers were wildly
       successful, dominating much of the world.    Crying about their
       morals now is like to a brick wall, Africa should find better
       things to do like not enslaving their own people, which is
       happening today in Africa[/quote]
       [quote]Much of the non-western world is still psychologically,
       socially, legally, dietary, diplomatically, re-productively,
       academically, and linguistically colonized by western culture.
       The non-western world must decolonize before they can seriously
       solve any of their other problems.[/quote]
       [quote]This was an intentional genocide by Germany, the other
       one not so much. Typhus moves through concentration camps quick,
       especially during war time. Hitler was clearly
       anti-colonial...[/quote]
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