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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 4, 2023, 9:12 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/IsmailogluF/status/1718824894836982208?t=XGhEbozzyFaq4KPkyrddbQ&s=19
[Quote]
Kemalist Turks in Edirne express contempt at the Turks
gathered to show support for Gaza and start chanting:
We are the soldiers of Mustafa Kemal
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 4, 2023, 9:15 pm
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Actually, Kemalists should be considered the true Turks (no "").
The pro-Gaza "Turks" should call themselves Ottomans.
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 4, 2023, 9:24 pm
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Kemalist filth vindicating our view that democracy cultivates
racism.
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 6, 2023, 10:23 am
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"Actually, Kemalists should be considered the true Turks (no
""). The pro-Gaza "Turks" should call themselves Ottomans."
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/dotard/comment-page-5/#comment-178984
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> Sun of the Isles says:
> April 4, 2018 at 9:54 am
> @RP
>
> As a result, Turkey is moving toward Eurasianism
>
> Not coincidentally, Turkey has strong Turanian influences.
After all, the Turkics were nomads from Mongolia, who then
migrated and settled in Anatolia and Central Asia:
>
>
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiongnu
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HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göktürks
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HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_migration
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> Pan-Turkism is basically Turanism:
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>
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Turkism
>
> Of course, I do not assert that Turkeys Aryan influences are
weak either. After all, some of the worlds earliest farming
cities were found in Anatolia:
>
>
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Çatalhöyük
>
> I think that Turkey needs to emphasise its Anatolian past and
connect more with the Islamic world (or even the Balkans; I
think that Turkey has, in terms of culture, more in common with
the Greeks, Bulgarians, etc than the Central Asian countries),
rather than with the Turanians and the so-called Turkic world.
>
> Of course, it was Mustafa Kemal (Jew) who distanced Turkey
away from the Islamic world, and in doing so bringing up its
Turkic identity up front (as well as masterminded the genocide
and expulsion of the Greeks and Armenians in Anatolia, thereby
turning a multiethnic country into a (almost) monoethnic one,
making it more difficult for its inhabitants to take on a truly
nationalistic national spirit, instead turning them on an ethnic
identity).
>
> I even think that the name of the country itself is
ethno-centric. The Ottoman Empire was a better name. Or
Anatolia, which seems more fitting.
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The crypto-Jew/Freemason Mustafa Kemal (Jew) cunningly mixed up
"Turkish" (a language) with "Turk/Turkic" (an ethnolinguistic
identity), thereby grouping all Turkish language speakers under
a Turk/Turkic (Turanian) identity.
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 6, 2023, 12:15 pm
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Indeed:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Pan-Turkism
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> Atatürk owned the idea of taking Turkicness as one of the
identities of Turkish nation. Turkish History Thesis started
under Atatürk's order and administration, which contained
ethno-racial ideas based on Turkish origins coming from Central
Asia. Also Atatürk era high school books contained education of
Orkhon alphabet[44][non-primary source needed][obsolete source]
and a unit under the title of "Greater Turkic history and
Civilization".[45][non-primary source needed][obsolete source]
The book also gave detailed information about empires which are
Turkic such as Göktürks or "claimed to be Turkic" such as
Scythians, Xiongnu, and so on.[46]
> ...
> Atatürk also described his opinions about Timur, a Central
Asian Turkic military commander as "If I lived in Timur's
timeline, I wouldn't be able to accomplish his work but if he
lived in my timeline, he would do greater than I did".[50]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Turanism
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> Kemalism focuses on the Turkish people, within both living and
historical cultures and peoples of Anatolia, especially
Hittites,[51] and the culture and civilization of Turkic
peoples.
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> Turanism centered the nation as the union of all Turanian
peoples (Tungus, Hungarians, Finns, Mongols, Estonians and
Koreans) stretching from the Altai Mountains in Eastern Asia to
the Bosphorus.[52]
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemalism#Kemalism_and_the_Hittites
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> Kemalism gave an important place to Hittites and the Hittite
symbolism to construct the Turkish identity and nationhood.
Kemalist researchers, such as Ahmet Ağaoğlu (who was
an advisor to Atatürk and a politician who played an important
role on creating Turkey's constitution of 1924), believed in
that the nation has to portray Hittites as a world-domineering
Turkish race with firm roots in Anatolia.[51]
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I would further argue that Kemalism is closer to our sense of
what Turanism means. Whereas the old version of Turanism
excludes speakers of PIE-derivative languages, Kemalism by
seeking to include Hittites opens the door to potentially
including other PIE-derivative speakers, thereby fitting our
present-day archaeological picture of Yamnaya-era Turanian
diffusion.
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 6, 2023, 5:11 pm
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One funny thing I noticed is how some Turanist Pakistanis try to
claim Turko-Mongolic origins in an effort to appease Turks will
get **** on by those same Kemalist Turks nevertheless. Then as a
cope, the Turanist Pakistanis will claim that this racism is
solely a Kemalist attitude (true) and that Ottomans would not be
racist toward them (true) as they would be united through Islam
(true). But what they neglect to mention is that Ottomans would
not call themselves "Turks" either, in fact Pakistanis
reinforcing the "Turkic" identity share more with Kemalism then
with Ottomans! This is evidenced by the folkism of Ottomanism in
contrast to the casteist feudalism of Pakistani society, the
latter of which is antithetical to Islam.
On a side note, I have noticed that the Fertile Crescent has
been the origin of folkist ideologies such as Pan-Arabism,
Ottomanism, and Shia Islamism, more so than any other place in
the world IMO. Perhaps because it is the least Turanized place
in the world that has a significant amount of Aryan blood?
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 6, 2023, 6:05 pm
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"folkist ideologies such as Pan-Arabism"
How is pan-Arabism a folkist ideology?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Arabism
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> pan-Arabism was first pressed by Sharif Hussein ibn Ali, the
Sharif of Mecca, who sought independence for the Mashreq Arabs
from the Ottoman Empire, and the establishment of a unified Arab
state in the Mashreq. In 1915 and 1916, the Hussein-McMahon
Correspondence resulted in an agreement between the United
Kingdom and the Sharif that if the Mashreq Arabs revolted
successfully against the Ottomans, the United Kingdom would
support claims for Mashreq Arab independence. In 1916, however,
the Sykes-Picot Agreement between the United Kingdom and France
determined that parts of the Mashreq would be divided between
those powers rather than forming part of an independent Arab
state. When the Ottoman Empire surrendered in 1918, the United
Kingdom refused to keep to the letter of its arrangements with
Hussein,[5] and the two nations assumed guardianship of
Mesopotamia, Lebanon, Palestine and what became modern Syria.
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A folkist would have understood that Arabs and other Ottomans
had a common British oppressor.
Your own recent post led me to believe you were against
pan-Arabism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/old-content/msg23343/#msg23343
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 6, 2023, 6:11 pm
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Sorry, I was referring to Baathism, which is also commonly
mislabeled "Pan-Arabism".
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: rp
Date: November 6, 2023, 8:11 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-ytXsMImvY
Comments:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-ytXsMImvY&lc=Ugxa_B4OLgH4bj7B9rZ4AaABAg
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> These people are refugees (Ottomans -RP) not TURK
😂😂😂
>
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Re: Turkey
DIR By: Zhang Caizhi
Date: November 7, 2023, 3:33 am
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Haven't you mentioned this about Ottomans?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/the-difference-between-islamic-and-europe-on-slave-treatment/msg15989/#msg15989
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>
> That is an understatement. Let's face it: the Ottomans were
rabid reproductive Eurocentrists obsessed with making their
offspring successively "whiter" every generation. This has been
the case from the beginning:
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