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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: Zea_mays Date: December 29, 2021, 9:21 pm
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[quote]Toddlers Are Harsh Judges Of Moral Character
Over the past ten years, developmental psychologists have been
astounded by the young age at which children appear to be aware
of the moral qualities of others’ actions. At just four months,
babies already react with surprise when others engage in unequal
distribution of treats and resources. They also snub these
unfair individuals in social interactions by the age of 24
months and expect others to do the same. Other forms of moral
judgement may emerge even sooner: as early as 3 months of age,
infants show distinct preferences for those who help, as opposed
to hinder, others.
In thinking about these nascent moral judgements, researchers
have become interested in figuring out their underlying mental
“structure”. Do children’s moral rules operate like a loose
“‘anthology”, where judgements passed on the basis of one
principle have little effect on judgements on the basis of
another? Or is there a deeper underpinning mental framework that
gives rise to a multitude of connected moral expectations?
A recent study in PNAS by a duo of American researchers breaks
new ground on this fascinating question. It reveals that
toddlers are guided by a core mental representation of what it
means to be a moral person (albeit with some potentially
concerning caveats). Within this moral framework, a single faux
pas risks entirely sweeping an individual from a child’s good
books.
[...]
The finding indicates that children judge others from a holistic
perspective of what being moral really means. In their view, a
single action that is at odds with one aspect of a “good”
representation implies that the individual should be expected to
violate other moral principles.
[...]
the moral principles that children use do not operate in
arbitrary isolation. They stem from a core mental representation
of what makes someone a moral person. Whether this
representation is “hardwired” or amenable to changes through
development, experience, and age is an exciting question for
future research to address.[/quote]
HTML https://digest.bps.org.uk/2021/12/14/once-a-meanie-always-a-meanie-toddlers-are-harsh-judges-of-moral-character/
Toddlers also give the benefit of the doubt to individuals
(perhaps a bit too strongly):
[quote]The researchers saw this when they repeated their
experiment, except this time the toddlers first witnessed a dog
puppet mistreating a rabbit (as opposed to a fellow dog) before
watching the dog share out a pair of toys.
In this scenario, toddlers gazed longer when the dog went on to
make an unequal sharing decision, suggesting that they still
expected the puppet to be fair. Only when the researchers
ensured that the dog engaged in three sequential acts of
bullying towards the rabbit did the children’s gaze patterns
suggest that they no longer expected it to act fairly in the
next social interaction.[/quote]
Other studies observed tribalism is evident in other children:
[quote]While this outcome is not entirely surprising (other
studies have documented children expecting others to give their
in-group members special treatment)[/quote]
[quote]We examined whether one mechanism contributing to ingroup
favoritism might be an abstract and early-emerging sociomoral
expectation of ingroup support. In violation-of-expectation
experiments, 17-mo-old infants first watched third-party
interactions among unfamiliar adults identified (using novel
labels) as belonging to the same group, to different groups, or
to unspecified groups. Next, one adult needed help, and another
adult either did or did not provide it. Infants expected help to
be provided when the two adults belonged to the same group, but
held no expectation when the adults belonged to different groups
or to unspecified groups. Infants thus already possess an
abstract expectation of ingroup support, and this finding sheds
light on one of the mechanisms underlying ingroup favoritism in
human interactions.
Ingroup favoritism (IGF) refers to the tendency to favor ingroup
individuals over outgroup individuals in evaluations and
actions. For example, adults and children age 4 y and older have
been shown to generally prefer ingroup members, to evaluate
ingroup members more positively, to favor ingroup members when
allocating resources, and to be more willing to help ingroup
members in need of assistance (1⇓⇓⇓⇓–6).
Remarkably, similar results have been obtained even when adults
and children are experimentally assigned to minimal groups
(7⇓⇓⇓⇓–12). Minimal groups typically
have three features: the basis for categorization into the
groups is salient but random or arbitrary, no meaningful
information is provided about the groups, and social
interactions within and between the groups are limited to avoid
generating meaningful information about the groups (8, 13). The
well-established finding that mere categorization into a minimal
group is sufficient to elicit some degree of IGF has attracted
considerable attention from researchers across the social
sciences.[/quote]
HTML https://www.pnas.org/content/114/31/8199
Or maybe the infants assume there is a moral reason the
individual has been excluded from the group?
Also, I can't help but wonder if a "minimal group" could be
understood as a team or 'task force/labor unit' rather than a
tribe, depending on the experiment. Obviously it makes more
sense to work more closely with your delegated squad/team when
working to solve a problem, but in that context "favoritism" is
merely direct collaboration and is not the same thing as a
tribalistic lack of empathy for non-group members.
A brief look at children's cartoons over the past 100 years
shows that the communities in those cartoons are made up of
humans and sentient non-humans of all species (often including
sentient plants, rocks, furniture, etc.!), so whatever group
distinction they are picking up in the "minimal group" scenarios
doesn't necessarily seem to be tribalism per se.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 9, 2022, 9:29 pm
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If mild punishment worked, repeat offenders would not exist.
They do, because it doesn't:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-congressman-madison-cawthorn-charged-200701610.html
[quote]Rep. Madison Cawthorn, R-N.C., has been charged for the
second time in the past five years with driving on a revoked
license, a misdemeanor that carries up to 20 days in jail.
The 26-year-old Henderson County Republican was pulled over
March 3 in Cleveland County, about 1½ hours southeast of
Asheville, by the highway patrol, according to court records and
a highway patrol spokesperson.
Along with the misdemeanor, Cawthorn is facing two pending
citations for speeding: driving 89 mph in a 65 mph zone in
Buncombe County on Oct. 18 and 87 mph in a 70 mph zone in Polk
County on Jan. 8.
...
Cawthorn has been charged before with driving after having his
license taken away. Before he was sworn in last year as a U.S.
House member, a 2017 charge of driving with a revoked license
was dismissed in Buncombe, court records show.[/quote]
(Why is it always Cawthorn?)
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2022, 8:25 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/ogygios/status/1517178982302728198
[quote]Despite constant propaganda the revealed preferences of
white people remain generally ethnocentric if only
unconsciously. This is at 60% of the population after decades of
integration programs. Aggregate instincts prevail against social
conditioning.[/quote]
[quote]The gap between implicit in-group preference and explicit
denunciation of that preference manifests at the macroscopic
level of policy, not in free association. Behind the political
theatrics ethnic interests quietly get on with the work.[/quote]
The only solution is to prohibit racists from reproducing.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: Zea_mays Date: May 14, 2022, 1:57 pm
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Superiority cannot be taught, but superior people can be
"taught" to avoid fulfilling their duty.
[quote]Two Ways You Might Be Disempowering Yourself
A new theory of power aversion is discussed.
It is commonly assumed that everyone desires power, but this is
not always true.
Power aversion may be related to fearing responsibility and
causing harm, leading to negative feelings like guilt.
Power avoidance is also related to a negative view of powerful
people and the belief that power can change us for the worse.
[...]
Putting it all together, Hull et al. propose a new theory of
power aversion. One path to power aversion, the theory argues,
involves the coercive lay theory. Specifically, a person’s
belief that:
Powerful people have a negative disposition (selfish, cold)
and an antisocial orientation (immoral, unjust).
One’s own disposition and social orientation would change
for the worse if given power.
Another path to avoidance of power, the theory submits, involves
the collaborative lay theory of power. In particular, a person:
Assuming power holders have major responsibilities and are
obligated to support the welfare of others.
Feeling uncomfortable with the responsibility of protecting
people’s welfare and worrying about potentially causing
harm.[/quote]
HTML https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/202203/ways-you-might-be-disempowering-yourself
Superior people are the ones who are concerned about the ways
power may harm others and understand that power comes with
duties. Morons have parroted the phrase "absolute power corrupts
absolutely" enough times to dissuade such high-quality
individuals from being willing to take on power, resulting in
only empathy-devoid psychopaths seeking positions of power...
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: SirGalahad Date: May 14, 2022, 4:20 pm
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Even something as simple and seemingly meaningless as internet
culture proves the need for autocracy, or at the very least,
authoritarianism. How many times have we personally witnessed a
lack of moderation, or at least quality moderation, immediately
result in that particular platform being flooded by rightists
and rightist talking points? The fact that leftists boards,
political boards in general, and even anarchist boards
specifically feel the need to have moderators, is proof enough
that we need autocracy for what lies ahead. Absent of moderation
or really any sort of authority, these platforms almost always
shift from left to right, and practically never from right to
left. That doesn't mean that anarchists and others who happen to
be harshly critical of authoritarian regimes don't have valid
points, I'm just criticizing their methods
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: christianbethel Date: May 14, 2022, 7:14 pm
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[quote author=Zea_mays link=topic=57.msg13335#msg13335
date=1652554634]
Superiority cannot be taught, but superior people can be
"taught" to avoid fulfilling their duty.
[quote]Two Ways You Might Be Disempowering Yourself
A new theory of power aversion is discussed.
It is commonly assumed that everyone desires power, but this is
not always true.
Power aversion may be related to fearing responsibility and
causing harm, leading to negative feelings like guilt.
Power avoidance is also related to a negative view of powerful
people and the belief that power can change us for the worse.
[...]
Putting it all together, Hull et al. propose a new theory of
power aversion. One path to power aversion, the theory argues,
involves the coercive lay theory. Specifically, a person’s
belief that:
Powerful people have a negative disposition (selfish, cold)
and an antisocial orientation (immoral, unjust).
One’s own disposition and social orientation would change
for the worse if given power.
Another path to avoidance of power, the theory submits, involves
the collaborative lay theory of power. In particular, a person:
Assuming power holders have major responsibilities and are
obligated to support the welfare of others.
Feeling uncomfortable with the responsibility of protecting
people’s welfare and worrying about potentially causing
harm.[/quote]
HTML https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/202203/ways-you-might-be-disempowering-yourself
Superior people are the ones who are concerned about the ways
power may harm others and understand that power comes with
duties. Morons have parroted the phrase "absolute power corrupts
absolutely" enough times to dissuade such high-quality
individuals from being willing to take on power, resulting in
only empathy-devoid psychopaths seeking positions of power...
[/quote]
'With great power comes great responsibility.'
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 17, 2022, 1:10 am
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/buffalo-suspect-payton-gendron-family-041209659.html
[quote]Buffalo Suspect Payton Gendron’s Family Home Has a ‘Black
Lives Matter’ Sign[/quote]
The Buffalo massacre is what happens when descendants of Western
colonialists reproduce and then think putting up a sign is
enough to prevent their offspring from becoming a "white"
supremacist. If Gendron's parents took anti-racism seriously,
they should never have reproduced in the first place.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 25, 2022, 10:49 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/no-lives-matter-221700471.html
[quote]Among the many misconceptions about white identity
politics is the tendency to believe that truth, reason or—at the
very least—human decency can bring about change. In the 402
years since European colonizers first began outlining the
political and legal parameters of this Caucasian utopian
experiment in democracy, too many people (myself included) have
tried to dismantle the absurdity of white supremacy with facts,
logic and reason.
I have personally whittled my fingers to the bone trying to make
it all make sense. In an attempt to counterbalance the narrative
against critical race theory, I have foolishly used the actual
definition of CRT. When someone asks, “But what about
Black-on-Black crime?” I’ve pulled out statistics, census data
and peer-reviewed sociology studies. I stupidly assumed that
white people would stop saying “all lives matter” once they
understood the disparities in policing, sentencing and the
entire criminal justice system.
...
The problem is white people.
...
They believe that every vote should be counted, but they support
laws that suppress Black voters. They believe in freedom of
speech and religion, but they also want to ban Muslims, mute
gays and demean anyone who doesn’t believe in white Jesus. And,
in many cases, they will tell you that they don’t hate trans
people, Black people or non-Christians. But, when they have to
decide between their privilege and other people’s existence,
they will always always always choose whiteness over everything.
This is why I have stopped arguing with white people. I don’t
expect them to understand truth or reason. They will argue
against government interference while asking their government to
regulate vaginas. They’ll rail against identity politics while
demonizing immigrants, Muslims and the “gay agenda.” They will
manufacture a way to circumvent history, math and science to
come up with an opinion that supports whiteness because the
literal foundation of this country was built on one inexorable
truth.
Nothing matters but whiteness. Everything else can die.
You can’t argue with that logic.[/quote]
Indeed we cannot. The only way to bring about change is to
eliminate the bloodlines of all with this attitude. The only way
to bring about change is to state that it is not OK to for even
one person in the world to be "white" under any circumstances
ever, and act accordingly.
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: guest55 Date: May 26, 2022, 1:13 pm
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[quote]This is why I have stopped arguing with white people. I
don’t expect them to understand truth or reason.[/quote]
Especially when they start spouting on about "special truth" and
"relative truth" like Alexandr Dugin, for example!
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Re: Superiority cannot be taught
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 15, 2022, 12:22 am
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/granderson-theres-whole-generation-white-100009754.html
[quote]Granderson: There's a whole new generation of white
supremacists[/quote]
Yes, because the previous generations were allowed to reproduce.
[quote]I scrolled through the mugshots of each of the 31 members
of the white supremacist group who were arrested in Idaho last
weekend after authorities found them packed in the back of a
U-Haul truck with riot gear on.
...
Not a single old man among them. It’s yet another reminder that
the prejudice that was supposed to just die off with the old
generation continues to find new life with the young.[/quote]
Why would it die off when the bloodlines have not died off?
[quote]The person accused of driving nearly four hours
specifically to kill Black people in Buffalo is just 18 years
old. He wasn’t around during slavery, the Civil War or the civil
rights movement, and yet we all instinctively assume we know the
type: The accusations are in sync with the actions of many
18-year-old white males from each of those eras.[/quote]
Yes, because it is still the same gene pool!
[quote]As far as I can tell, none of the 31 folks arrested in
Idaho are old enough to have been around for the first
Juneteenth back in 1865. So they were taught white supremacy …
but by whom?[/quote]
They were not taught it. They felt it. "White" supremacy is a
feeling that genetically inferior people (of all ethnicities)
spontaneously feel when they compare "whites" and "non-whites"
side by side. Nor can they be taught to not feel it. The only
way to make this feeling disappear once and for all is to make
the bloodlines behind them disappear once and for all.
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