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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: September 14, 2022, 1:06 pm
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How are Aryanists supposed to respond to the idiotic platitudes
'Blacks sold their fellow blacks into slavery' and 'The Arabs
had slaves and no one talks about them'?
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 14, 2022, 2:08 pm
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/leftist-vs-rightist-moral-circles/msg15202/#msg15202
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> I said that the muslims were fair on enslave people, all of
people from any racial-background can be muslims's slaves.
Different to how the "White Europeans" see who can be slaves
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> I'm explained to him that indeed all groups of people commited
slavery. But the racist slavery was uniquely only did by "White
Europeans" during colonial era.
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> I'm already explained the hypocrisy of "White Europeans" when
they did war and enslaved their opponents. They only enslaved
and tortured ruthlessly the "colored", but kept freeing "whites"
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> I explained to him that if the "White Europeans" were just
during that time, they rather colonize and enslave their fellow
"whites" rather than the other "colored" people.
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> And I also explained to him that the "Africans" and "Arabs"
did not enslaved the another people with specific "racial"
category too like how the "White Europeans" behave.
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> the Turks were enslaved people from all "racial" backgrounds,
so they more fair than how the "White Europeans" enslaved the
conquered people.
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The above follows the line of argument that we have long
advocated:
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> Western slavery was indeed more despicable than other chattel
institutions (including Roman) throughout history because it
alone exhibited willingness to do to “non-whites” what it had
already recognized was wrong for “whites”.
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and which is now also found here:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade#Slavery_in_Africa_and_the_New_World_contrasted
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> In general, slavery in Africa was not heritable—that is, the
children of slaves were free—while in the Americas, children of
slave mothers were considered born into slavery. This was
connected to another distinction: slavery in West Africa was not
reserved for racial or religious minorities, as it was in
European colonies
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Indeed, the very statement by our enemies:
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> 'Blacks sold their fellow blacks into slavery'
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tacitly reminds us that "whites" did not sell their fellow
"whites" into slavery (yet were happy to buy and sell
"non-white" slaves, because "non-whites" were not viewed as
fellows)! So who is worse?
Similarly, meat-eating humans who refuse to consume human meat
are far more morally despicable than meat-eating humans who at
least have no problem with consuming human meat also.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: September 14, 2022, 11:46 pm
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Why the Arabs were doing something racially discriminative in
the past. The answer is the ideology which written by the
website author below :
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> Pre-modern forms of anti-blackness in the Muslim world shared
differences but also unsettling similarities to modern
anti-black racism. Among their similarities, anti-blackness in
the pre-modern Muslim world contained within its ideological
repertoire: Aristotelian theories of natural slavery, the
Hamitic myth, actual systems of enslavement, geoclimatic racial
determinism (derived from the ancient Egyptian and Greco-Roman
Mediterranean-centric worldview)
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He also writes how the "blacks" were still attempted to be
treated fairly in the Islamic Empire's territory
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> There is also the example of blacks being enslaved for
military and domestic work from Al-Andalus/Morocco to Ottoman
lands, Southern Iran, and even the Indian coast. At the same
time, black statesmen, generals, prominent scholars and everyday
people in these very same places existed as dignified
individuals and fully as themselves. Islamicate civilization in
Sudanic Africa, or Bilad al-Sudan, is a testament to the ways in
which Islam in what we now call Africa flourished. Sudanic
Africa attained a high level of civilizational organization in
an indigenous way without a systemic external imposition of said
civilization coming from so-called foreigners like Turks, Arabs
or Persians.
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And, according to the written contents from the writer. The
"blacks" were originally indigenous to the "North Africa", but
they got marginalized because of that ideology. See this written
content below :
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> The millennia-old indigeneity of black peoples in North
Africa, the Levant and the Gulf, for example, has been erased in
mainstream consciousness due to Eurocentric nationalist
narratives and geographies that created binaries along the
Saharan desert and Red Sea that had not existed in the same way
in the past. These modern forms of anti-blackness have both
added to and subsumed the pre-existing prejudices in various
regions which had earlier been less systematic or even
non-existent.
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Source :
HTML https://themaydan.com/2020/10/anti-blackness-in-the-muslim-world-beyond-apologetics-and-orientalism/
So, the racism of "Arabs" to the "blacks" was not because of
Islamic teachings or something but the ancient White Nationalist
ideology, I mean Aristotelianism and "Hamitic Myth" or "Curse of
Ham" verses from the Old Testament holy book.
Europe, the "civilized world" and democracy are the problem...
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 15, 2022, 12:28 am
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For the record, Arab slave owners did have a tendency towards
Eurocentrism:
HTML https://academic.oup.com/book/10928/chapter-abstract/159193837
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> White female slaves were more expensive than black ones and
they were rarely used for rough labor and filled higher
positions in domestic and administrative employment.
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as our enemies are also happy to report:
HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2017/02/black-slavery-middle-east/
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> Among domestic slave women, blacks performed menial work while
whites tended to be personal attendants of their owners. White
slave women cost between three and ten times more than
brown-skinned Abyssinian women; black slave women cost half to
one-third the cost of brown slave women. [9]
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So Arab slave owners were not fair either. But they way in which
they were unfair was not ethnotribalist, but instead
Eurocentrist.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 30, 2022, 9:22 pm
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Our enemies openly and fondly reminisce about the times when
"whites" ruled Memphis:
HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2022/09/the-great-replacement-memphis/
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> According to a report from the Freedman’s Bureau, which some
might consider biased, Irish police forced blacks off the
sidewalk and a fight resulted. The next day, there appeared “a
crowd of colored men, principally discharged soldiers, many of
whom were more or less intoxicated.” A few were “very noisy and
boisterous.” Police tried to arrest the men but were attacked by
“Negroes” who tried “to rescue their comrades.” One white
policeman accidentally shot himself in the confusion and died.
The Freedman’s Bureau reports that:
>
> About this time the police fired upon unoffending Negroes
remote from the riotous quarter. Colored soldiers with whom the
police first had trouble had returned in the meantime to Fort
Pickering. The police was soon reinforced and commenced firing
on the colored people, men, women and children, in that
locality, killing and wounding several.
>
> Shortly after, the City Recorder (John C. Creighton) arrived
upon the ground (corner of Causey and Vance Streets) and in a
speech which received three hearty cheers from the crowd there
assembled, councilled and urged the whites to arm and kill every
Negro and drive the last one from the city. Then during this
night the Negroes were hunted down by police, firemen and other
white citizens, shot, assaulted, robbed, and in many instances
their houses searched under the pretense of hunting for
concealed arms, plundered, and then set on fire, during which no
resistance so far as we can learn was offered by the Negroes.
>
> The report says that whites attacked blacks for days
> ...
> Whites kept blacks out of politics through various
“disenfranchising acts” passed by the state, including a poll
tax and strict registration requirements. The Memphis
Appeal-Avalanche wrote on March 7, 1892 that Memphis was the
“most orderly city of its size on the continent,” boasting an
efficient police administration and the “safety of life and
property here having come to be a matter of fame.” It wrote this
after the “Curve lynching,” a case promoted by muckraker Ida B.
Wells, and the first lynching in the city after the Civil War.
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Safety of whose life and property?
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> A white mob lynched Thomas Moss, Calvin McDowell, and Henry
Stewart who, according to Wells, owned a grocery store called
“The Curve.” There was a fight at the store between blacks and
whites, which the whites reportedly lost. They vowed to “clean
out” the grocery, and the store posted guards. The guards shot
at whites who were supposedly raiding the shop, but they were
said to be a sheriff and plainclothes deputies.
>
> On March 6, 1892, The Appeal-Avalanche called what ensued “a
bloody riot,” and wrote a colorful tale of blacks storing
weapons and holding secret meetings. According to Wells,
frenzied press coverage about a black conspiracy to kill whites
led to a mob lynching the black men, who “had committed no
crime.” She concluded that lynching was “an excuse to get rid of
Negroes who were acquiring wealth and property and thus keep the
race terrorized and ‘keep the n—– down.’”
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Classic racist projection.
Yet to our enemies, what is lamentable is not that all of the
above happened, but that "non-whites" also remember that all of
the above happened and hence understandably do not like
"whites":
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> In 1980, there was still a slim white majority of 51.3
percent. By 1990, just 43.7 percent of residents were white; in
2000, 34.4 percent, in 2010, 29.4 percent, in 2020, just 27.9
percent.
>
> As blacks took power, they erased white history. In 2013, the
city council renamed three parks that honored Confederates. In
2017, it removed a statue of General Nathan Bedford Forrest and
in 2020, it decided to dig him and his wife up rebury them 200
miles away. Even Andrew Jackson isn’t safe in Memphis. In 2021,
the Memphis Brooks Museum of Art removed a picture of President
Andrew Jackson from display.
>
> When the Forrest statue came down, then-mayor of Memphis, a
black man named A.C. Wharton, explained that the general was
from “a time gone by,” one that’s “not a time to be honored.”
> ...
> Tucker Carlson talked about Memphis recently in a powerful
monologue. He spoke about the city’s past glories, when it still
honored the history that so embarrassed former Mayor Wharton.
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When our enemies unambiguously tell us who they are, we should
believe them.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: October 1, 2022, 9:41 am
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> frenzied press coverage about a black conspiracy to kill
whites led to a mob lynching the black men, who “had committed
no crime.”
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Jews also say that they are attacked constantly by the muslims
of Palestine while they have advanced machine weaponry and
military vehicles more deadly than what the Palestinian muslims
have. Should we take it seriously?..... That's the another
analogue to answer that Amren's post
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 21, 2022, 11:47 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/sports-as-a-platform-for-protest/msg16568/#msg16568
a rightist responds:
HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11447945/FIFAs-Infantino-tells-UK-allow-migrants-knows-gay-like-ginger.html
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> Lee Anderson, Conservative MP for Ashfield, Nottinghamshire,
said: ‘I had red hair and freckles as a child. This guy needs to
grow up and get a grip.
>
> ‘Instead of apologising for the next 3,000 years, the rest of
the world should be thanking the UK for leading the way. This
great country of ours has been a gift to the world. So he can
‘do one’.’
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 8, 2022, 4:29 pm
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According to our enemies, it's OK for theft to be "white":
HTML https://www.amren.com/blog/2022/12/verified-hate-take-the-mfers-out/
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> The Rosetta Stone had been built into a wall of an old fort. A
Napoleonic officer recognized its importance. When the British
took possession after they defeated the French in Egypt, they
too recognized its value and today it’s at the British Museum.
Without European colonialism and the Western devotion to truth
even during wartime, the Rosetta Stone would still be propping
up a wall. It belongs to the West.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 4, 2023, 9:10 pm
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Our enemies proudly recall the slave trade:
HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2023/03/slavery-and-its-discontents/
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> In the age of sail, it was very hard for Europeans to beat
against prevailing winds directly across the North Atlantic. It
was much easier to follow the wind south to Africa and exchange
manufactured goods for slaves. The next step — the middle
passage — was to ride the easterly winds in the lower latitudes
to the New World and exchange slaves for sugar, cotton, and
tobacco; then run back to Europe on the northern westerlies.
>
>
HTML https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/TriangularTrade.png
>
> The middle passage usually took seven or eight weeks, but
could be made in as few as three.
>
> When the trade began in the 16th century, slavers had to
cruise the coast, picking up a dozen slaves here, a score there,
and it took time to load. Later, slave-trading ports were
established, where a ship could quickly load a full cargo of
several hundred. This required fortifications to protect both
slaves and landed European trade goods from African raiders.
Europeans therefore built forts, such as Gorée in Senegal, and
Anamabo and Elmina in Ghana. Elmina Castle was the first — and
now the oldest — European-style building south of the Sahara,
built originally by the Portuguese in 1482 for the gold and
ivory trade.
>
>
HTML https://www.amren.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/ElminaCastle.jpg
> ...
> Today, much is made of the horrors of the middle passage, and
a death rate of 15 percent on a voyage was not uncommon.
However, many white crew and trans-Atlantic passengers also
died. Furnas quotes what he calls “a fairly impartial observer
[who] noted in the early 1800s that, thanks (he thought) to
their being stowed naked and on a vegetable diet, the average
cargo of slaves came ashore in the West Indies in better shape
than the average unit of troops.” Furnas points out that it was
good business to keep valuable slaves alive and healthy:
“Whereas slaver captains and surgeons usually received small
bonuses per slave landed, deaths at sea were profitable to
emigrant ships, for emigrants paid fares in advance and no
longer consumed provisions once their dead bodies had slid over
side.”
>
> Later in the trade, the British imposed limits on the number
of slaves that could be transported, but: “[the rule of] three
slaves to two tons of ship imposed by Britain in 1788 was the
same ratio as that for British soldiers on transports 40 years
later.” As for fraternization below decks, “the hands were
supposed to stay away from the slave women, not for decorum, but
to prevent quarrels. In well-disciplined ships the rule was
observed.”
>
> Just being in Africa was deadly for whites: “In 1825, a
detachment of 108 British soldiers stationed in Gambia lost 87
men in four months.” Furnas notes that on the island of Fernando
Po (now called Bioko and part of Equatorial Guinea), the death
rate for whites was so high that the commandant always had two
details constantly busy, one making coffins, the other digging
graves.
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To them, the real problem was abolitionism:
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> Abolition mania
>
> The British abolition campaign was the first “social
movement,” of the kind so familiar today. Dedicated people wrote
tracts, gave lectures, preached from pulpits, and lobbied
Parliament with the goal of ending, first, the slave trade and
then slavery itself. One of the goals of ending the trade was to
reduce the supply of slaves, who were commonly worked to death,
in the hope that their value would increase and owners would
treat them better. As in the United States, women were fervent,
indispensable supporters.
>
> In both countries, abolition was overwhelmingly Christian.
Furnas describes the influential British abolitionists who
became known as the Clapham Sect: “In their view, the principal
reason for thinking West Indian slavery evil was not so much
that it whipped and bullied Negroes — though that was a crying
shame too — as that it denied their souls opportunity for
salvation and tempted masters to cruelty and fornication.” It
did not much matter whether abolition improved the lives of
slaves; the goal was to convert them.
> ...
> Furnas argues that many abolitionists, Christian or not, were
mentally unbalanced. The movement had:
>
> An enticing savor of infallibility that attracted schizoid
arrogance — a crucial ingredient in most crankishness — though
often below the pathological level. It lent antislaveryism a
greater appeal to those secretly proud of possessing the higher
sensitivity, greater intelligence and social courage implied by
their previous espousing of such glowing causes as phrenology
and vegetarianism. The religious crank often added to the above
theology a deep conviction that the end of the world was nigh
and his battle against others’ sins had to be frantically
intensified, lest the great day find him and his allies
unfaithful stewards.
>
> Furnas writes that “many an abolitionist of Old [John] Brown’s
time thus piled multiple causes, some admirable, some freakish
on one another, and combined antislaveryism with behavior that
was, to say the least of it, neurotic.”
>
> Abolition thus united legions of cranks: “Practically every
reformer was antislavery . . . and conversely, Abolitionism
derived much of its special momentum from the abnormally
vivacious energies of the Reformers,” who were full of “wishful
credulity, mistrust of objective reality, self-dramatization.”
>
> They were like anti-racists today: all-purpose fanatics.
Today, whatever else he is, every climate-change nut, militant
nudist, Covid-commissar, story-hour drag queen, Antifa militant,
anarchist, or Trotskyite is sure to be an anti-racist. And just
like his psychological forebears, he is determined to force his
views on everyone.
> ...
> For British and American abolitionists, the Haitian revolution
was the model for what they hoped for elsewhere. Furnas notes
that “the greatest effort that the Negro slave ever made in his
own behalf, left his country ruined — ruined still to this day,”
but abolitionists touted it as a great success.
> ...
> Furnas argues that abolitionism eventually veered from
Christian duty into hatred: “Fervid reprehension of others’ sins
leads almost irresistibly to sinner hating.” William Lloyd
Garrison said of Southern congressmen: “We do not acknowledge
them to be within the pale of Christianity . . . of humanity.”
He called slaveholders “human hyenas and jackals who delight to
listen to Negro groans, to revel in Negro blood, and to batten
upon human flesh.” Abolitionists thrilled to every tale of
slaveholder cruelty, real or imagined; it justified hatred.
> ...
> For evidence of the near-insanity of some of the
abolitionists, Furnas explains how Haiti assumed a new and
different significance:
>
> Hayti’s failure to stabilize herself gradually grew so glaring
that fewer and fewer stateside antislaveryites, however careless
about the facts, could respect the new nation. The immense
impact of Hayti on them came rather from the blood-lustful
assault of Negroes and affranchis [freed blacks] on the whites.
These were taken to mean that a slave economy necessarily
seethed with readiness to conspire and rebel; that such risings
stood a good chance of success; that they inevitably meant
looting, arson, torture, death and **** after the Haytian
example.
>
> One of John Brown’s backers was Thomas Parker, a deeply
religious man, whom one of the leading abolitionists, Lydia
Maria Child, called “the greatest man, morally and
intellectually, that our country ever produced.” He wrote: “The
fire of vengeance may be waked up even in an African’s heart,
especially when it is fanned by the wickedness of a white man;
then it runs from man to man, from town to town. What shall put
it out? The white man’s blood!”
>
> James Redpath was an abolitionist journalist who promoted John
Brown and later wrote his biography. For him, there was no price
too high to pay for freedom for blacks: “If only one man
survived to relate how his race heroically fell, and to enjoy
the freedom they had won, the liberty of that solitary Negro
would be cheaply purchased by the universal slaughter of his
people and their oppressors.”
> ...
> The most fanatical abolitionists came so to hate slaveholders
that they regretted having even to live in the same country with
them. Garrison began to despise the American nation itself
because it countenanced slavey. The Union was “conceived in
sin,” “brought forth in iniquity,” “a covenant with death,” “an
agreement with hell,” a “refuge of lies.” Many abolitionists
wanted to sever ties with the South because slavery was a
disease “too deep for cure without amputation.”
> ...
> In the 1830s and ’40s there had been proposals for gradual and
sometimes compensated abolition, but this annoyed abolitionists.
As late as 1857, Elihu Burritt, a diplomat and reformer of
considerable stature, called for federal action to free the
slaves and compensate owners by selling federal land. Garrison
called this “paying a thief for giving up stolen property, and
not acknowledging that his crime was a crime.”
--- End Quote ---
I agree that the abolitionists can be accurately called
Christians.
#Post#: 18404--------------------------------------------------
Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 13, 2023, 6:55 pm
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I agree with the following litmus test designed by our enemies:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/they-will-tear-down-every-statue-to-white-men-in-america-columbus-statue-in-newark-nj-replaced-with-harriet-tubman-monument
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> There’s a litmus test for those still believing some sort of
compromise can be made with the tidal wave of insanity remaking
our insanity, and it’s direct: Christopher Columbus is a hero,
who advanced European civilization on what is known as the North
American continent.
>
> His spirit animated white men to aspire for not just Manifest
Destiny, but the heavens.
>
> We must realize the footsteps of Columbus were not in vain,
but worthy of perpetuating.
--- End Quote ---
I agree there is no compromise. Anyone who considers Columbus to
be a positive figure must have their bloodline eliminated.
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