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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: Zea_mays Date: July 19, 2022, 8:42 am
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[quote]Wis. school board members dismissed book about Japanese
American incarceration as being ‘unbalanced,’ parents say
The members said including the book would require perspective
from the U.S. government, the parents allege.
[...]
Zielke said she reached out to two board members for a rationale
and eventually had a conversation the next month with Boyer, who
sits on the committee. She said that in the exchange, Boyer said
adding the book — alongside the class’ existing inclusion of
“Farewell to Manzanar,” a separate memoir about Japanese
American incarceration during WWII — to the curriculum created
an “unbalanced” account of history.
Zielke said she was told “we can’t just provide one side or the
other side” before the parent pressed Boyer about the issue,
demanding the board member clarify her definition of “other.”
“What she said to me was that we actually need an ‘American’
perspective,’” said Zielke, who said she pointed out that those
who were incarcerated were, in fact, Americans, before the
conversation grew increasingly heated.
“She clarified and said that she felt that we needed the
perspective of the American government and why Japanese
internment happened. And so then again, we had raised voices at
this point. I told her specifically, I said, ‘The other side is
racism.’”
[...]
Brett Hyde, another board member, told the Milwaukee Journal
Sentinel that he sensed board members felt that the perspective
presented in Otsuka’s novel too closely mirrored that of
“Farewell to Manzanar” and suggested material related to the
bombing of Pearl Harbor to provide “some history as to why the
citizens of Japanese descent were viewed as a threat and what
was the reasoning to have them put into the internment camps.”
[...]
She said the committee took particular issue with how the book
was chosen to bring a diverse perspective into the curriculum.
[...]
“At one point, Terri Boyer, in the meeting, did say, ‘How would
you feel if they were only allowed to choose books by white
people?’” Hapeman said.
[...]
Hapeman added that the committee’s comments in the meeting
“pointed to their understanding or their belief that the fact
that this book came from a diverse perspective meant that the
committee that chose it was discriminating against white
people.”[/quote]
HTML https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/wisc-school-board-members-dismissed-book-japanese-american-incarcerati-rcna35948
[quote]Otsuka added that reading stories from a diversity of
communities is a “radical act of empathy” that can only serve to
benefit all students.[/quote]
A genuinely radical act of empathy would involve ending the
bloodlines of all those who supported putting Americans in
concentration camps (and those who want to prevent books about
it from being taught).
For "balance", here is the US government perspective on the
matter:
[quote]The movement's first success was in 1976, when President
Gerald Ford proclaimed that the internment was "wrong", and a
"national mistake" which "shall never again be repeated".[225]
President Ford signed a proclamation formally terminating
Executive Order 9066 and apologized for the internment, stating:
"We now know what we should have known then—not only was that
evacuation wrong but Japanese-Americans were and are loyal
Americans.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans
[quote]In 1980, under the Carter administration, Congress
established the Commission on Wartime Relocation and Internment
of Civilians (CWRIC) to study the matter. On February 24, 1983,
the commission issued a report entitled Personal Justice Denied,
condemning the internment as unjust and motivated by racism and
xenophobic ideas rather than factual military
necessity.[228][/quote]
[quote]In 1988, President Reagan signed the Civil Liberties Act
to compensate more than 100,000 people of Japanese descent who
were incarcerated in internment camps during World War II. The
legislation offered a formal apology and paid out $20,000 in
compensation to each surviving victim. The law won congressional
approval only after a decade-long campaign by the
Japanese-American community.[/quote]
HTML https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/08/09/210138278/japanese-internment-redress
[quote]... we can take a clear stand for justice and recognize
that serious injustices were done to Japanese Americans during
World War II.
[...]
-George H. W. Bush, 1990.[/quote]
HTML https://digital.case.edu/islandora/object/ksl%3Akk91fr96f
[quote]Mochizuki v. United States 43 Fed. Cl. 97 (1999) was a
class action lawsuit brought by survivors of Japanese Latin
Americans interned during World War II by the United States
government. The lawsuit alleged forcible kidnapping and
imprisonment. In a settlement, the government conceded it erred
and allocated $5,000 each for survivor, as well as a formal
apology from then-President Bill Clinton.[1][2][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mochizuki_v._United_States
[quote]Almost 80 years later, California will apologize formally
to Japanese Americans for its role in what became the largest
single forced relocation in US history.[/quote]
HTML https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/17/us/california-apology-japanese-internment-trnd/index.html
By the way, in 2021, Wisconsin passed a law requiring "Holocaust
education". I doubt they include National Socialist perspectives
(or merely the perspectives of non-Zionist historians) on the
matter. So much for "needing" to provide a "balance" of both
sides. LOL.
...Or, maybe, just maybe... (This happened in Ohio).
[quote]When I was interviewing a lawmaker about her bill that
would ban “divisive concepts” being taught in school, she said
we should hear “both sides” of Holocaust.
She said we should hear the “German soldier” pov.
Here is my full investigation[/quote]
HTML https://twitter.com/MorganTrau/status/1545537009091051520
These WN politicians would be disappointed to learn the actual
NS perspective:
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 21, 2022, 8:12 pm
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Our enemies reminisce their past through literature:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/vanity-fair-by-william-makepeace-thackeray
[quote]I finally finished reading the 1848 novel Vanity Fair. A
few comments:
It’s extremely enjoyable.
...
One thing I noticed again in reading Vanity Fair about English
society is that up to a certain point in the 19th century, you
could get very rich in positions of authority with nobody
questioning it. For example, Amelia’s brother Joseph is a tax
collector for the British East India Company and has gotten very
rich at it. (Obviously, the chance of dying of fever in India
was quite high, which was some justification for the lavish
fortunes made there.)
The English liked giving large financial rewards to people who
succeeded in positions of authority. For example, John Churchill
was rewarded for winning the War of the Spanish Succession with
a Dukedom and the promise from Parliament of 250,000 pounds,
enough to get started on building a 300,000 square-foot palace
at Blenheim. About the last example I can remember of this is
General Douglas Haig being granted 100,000 pounds after the
Great War. After WWII, in contrast, Field Marshall Montgomery
got many honors but little cash.
England had kind of a piratical culture (as illustrated in the
Aubrey-Maturin novels by the incentives given Royal Navy
captains to capture enemy shipping).
...
In Evelyn Waugh‘s novels, every young man of fashion owes a
fortune to his tailor but is putting off the day he’ll have to
go butter up his disapproving father to get him to pay off his
tailor.
It seems as if tailors and landlords in pre-WWII England had to
stay up on society gossip over whether their customers and
tenants still had good prospects of inheriting fortunes someday
or whether they had fallen out of favor with their rich elderly
relatives. Becky Sharp and her husband, a baronet’s son, live
like lords on debt for a number of years despite little income
beside what Becky’s husband can win as a poolshark and
cardsharper. But small businessmen were willing to bet that
their knowledge of the Crawley family inheritance dynamics was
accurate enough to guesstimate that they’d eventually be
bequested enough to pay off their landlord and victualers
without having to flee to Europe to avoid debtor’s prison (with
the accompanying ruination of their small creditors).
Life was full of interest back then.[/quote]
Life (for "whites") was full of "whiteness" back then.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 24, 2022, 5:52 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-country-must-push-back-214916402.html
[quote]Indian Country Must Push Back on Conservative Attempts to
Whitewash Boarding School History
...
About thirty years ago, I made a deal with myself to read at
least one book a year written by a conservative right-winger so
that I could try to understand the rationale behind their
positions on race relations and governmental policy. As the
years flew by and the United States became extremely polarized,
I stopped reading conservative writings because I found many of
their arguments lacked merit and were, quite often,
mean-spirited and laced with paternalistic attitudes towards
people of color.
So this past Monday when one of my business partners sent me a
link to an article entitled “Stirring Up Hatred Against Indian
Boarding Schools: The Interior Department joins the movement to
rebrand education as cultural genocide,” I read with some
hesitation. Published by The American Conservative, the article
was written by one of the magazine’s senior editors, Helen
Andrews.
Andrews takes issue with the Federal Indian Boarding School
Initiative Investigative Report that was released on May 11,
2022. She accuses the U.S. Department of the Interior of making
a big deal out of nothing.
“This attempt to create a national scandal over Indian boarding
schools is a thoroughly political scheme contrived by activists
to stoke outrage regardless of the facts. No surprise there,
because that is what the issue has always been, from the very
beginning,” Andrews writes.
“The strange thing about the residential schools outrage is that
for decades the issue simply did not exist,” she continues.
Andrews is dead wrong. Native Americans have known the boarding
school issue existed for more than a century.
...
The justification of the piece seems to be: Indian boarding
schools were needed to bring Native Americans in from the dark
ages.
...
“The investigation into the experience of American Indians
forcibly removed from their homes and subjected to assimilation
mills that used brainwashing tactics to strip away culture,
language, spirituality, identity, and make no mistake treaty and
trust obligations is not about blame but about reconciliation
and healing,” Dr. Payment told me. “This political hate movement
of anti-critical race theory is a dog whistle and attempt at
moral and ethical absolution of the past. Manifest destiny was
used to justify raping the land and stealing from the indigenous
people as God’s will. We all own a piece of our past and all
own the responsibility to learn from it so we can truly live in
a free and just society.”
While conservatives often crow loudly about freedom and
individual liberties, they seem to want no part in discussing
freedoms and liberties that were stripped from Native Americans
over the course of two centuries. The Indian boarding school
discussion evidently makes some conservatives, like Andrews,
uncomfortable.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/canada-residential-schools/
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 27, 2022, 7:08 pm
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Previously:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/colonialism-as-viewed-by-westerners/msg12408/#msg12408
More people are talking about it now:
[quote]Letters to the Editor: Pope Francis, please denounce the
'Doctrine of Discovery'
...
The tragic boarding school issue is but a symptom of something
more insidious. One of the articles you published on the pope's
apology mentioned the Doctrine of Discovery and its papal
origin. It was a legal concept that legitimized and advanced the
European colonization of much of the world.
In 1455, Pope Nicholas V granted Portugal's King Alfonso V and
other European colonizers the right to "invade, search out,
capture, vanquish … and to reduce their persons to perpetual
slavery." The driving force was largely not religious; it was,
rather, driven by more secular appetites cloaked in religious
intent.
This concept was adopted into U.S. law by our own Supreme Court
in 1823 in Johnson vs. McIntosh. This nefarious doctrine should
be acknowledged and repudiated, but instead it remains a
skeleton in our nation's closet.[/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg14867/#msg14867
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 29, 2022, 10:17 pm
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Cultural appropriation:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/cree-singer-reflects-speaking-law-011359391.html
[quote]TORONTO (Reuters) - A Cree woman who captured global
attention with her anguished song before Pope Francis on Monday
said she was moved to do so when he donned a gifted feathered
headdress without first removing his skullcap - something she
saw as disrespectful.
...
"He didn’t remove his law before allowing our law to be placed
on his head," she told Reuters by phone from Winnipeg, adding
the pope could have given the headdress back instead.[/quote]
Further evidence of Francis' utter lack of sincerity (along with
the wrongness of gifting him the headdress in the first place),
as already pointed out here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg14874/#msg14874
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Re: Colonial Crimes
By: christianbethel Date: August 2, 2022, 7:48 am
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HTML https://youtu.be/4S0zzC4rHv4
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Re: Re: Colonial Crimes
By: SirGalahad Date: August 2, 2022, 3:25 pm
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Reminds me of a "white" reviewer exposed on social media for, I
**** you not, complaining about her trip being ruined because
the tour guide of a plantation talked about what happened on
plantations:
HTML https://i.redd.it/lvo3n8unx5f91.jpg
It's all well and good that you didn't want to hear about
something negative during what should have been a relaxing time.
Most people, "white" or non-white, wouldn't want to hear about
slavery all too much if that were their intention. The issue
here is that you're "white" enough to think that a plantation
would make for a relaxing tour in the first place. And even
"whiter" to make visiting different plantations a regular thing
for your family. "We came to get this history of a southern
plantation-" but not the "black" history, right? I guess it's
okay for history to be "white"
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: guest30 Date: August 2, 2022, 7:29 pm
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[quote]"...The tour guide was so radical about slave treatment
we felt we were being lectured and bashed about the slavery. My
ancestors were from Sicily, never owned slaves..."[/quote]
Answer :
But the Italians during colonial era worked together with the
European colonialist nations which also commited slavery. But of
course he care more about vacation rather than the truth.
[quote]"...and my husbands were German, and none of his ever
owned slaves. ..."
[/quote]
Answer :
As long as the Germans did not seriously to make their people
understand the horrors of colonialism and slavery through make
it explained more and detail on their education institution and
their historical forum. He still taken responsibility to be
lectured... Until now the Germany, and other European nations
even not take their evil colonial history seriously to it's
citizens. Only the Holocaust history which still considered as
"controversial" which lectured to their citizens in detail...
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 17, 2022, 4:25 pm
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More on the Doctrine of Discovery:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/doctrine-discovery-led-displacement-native-100015606.html
[quote]How did the King of Spain acquire a valid title to land
in Alachua and neighboring counties, where Creek and Seminole
people were then living?
The answer is the doctrine of discovery. In 1493 Pope Alexander
VI, the notorious Borgia Pope, divided the Americas, Africa and
Asia between Spain and Portugal on the grounds that their
navigators had discovered the Western Hemisphere and sub-Saharan
Africa.
An earlier Papal decree, Romanus Pontifex, which was issued and
reissued by several of his predecessors, had established the
right of the King of Portugal "to invade, search out, capture,
vanquish, and subdue all Saracens (i.e. Muslims) and pagans
whatsoever, and all dominions, possessions, and all movable and
immovable goods whatsoever held and possessed by them and to
reduce their persons to perpetual slavery, and to apply and
appropriate to himself and his successors the kingdoms,
dukedoms, counties, principalities, dominions, possessions, and
goods."
These documents together gave European Christians exclusive
rights to the land and resources of the rest of the world. They
were a charter for enslaving and exploiting the people of
Africa, Asia and America.[/quote]
In other words, Vatican ethics matches Vatican aesthetics:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3961/?topicseen#msg3961
Continuing:
[quote]We might dismiss them as historic curiosities except that
Chief Justice John Marshall invoked both Papal documents in a
unanimous Supreme Court decision in 1823 that established the
right of the United States to dispose of the lands occupied by
Native American tribes and of the people themselves. Marshall
held that the doctrine of discovery gave European nations an
absolute right to New World lands that they ceded to the United
States by treaty.[/quote]
Manifest Destiny is really just a limited application of the
Doctrine of Discovery. I also suspect that the Doctrine of
Discovery is is what MTG etc. are really thinking about when
they refer to themselves as "Christian nationalists":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/judeo-christian-theocracy-supporters-in-the-us-(dominionists)/msg15167/#msg15167
Continuing:
[quote]Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote in a unanimous Supreme
Court decision in 2005 that, "Under the doctrine of discovery
title to the lands occupied by Indians when the colonists
arrived became vested in the sovereign — first the discovering
European nations and later the original states and the United
States."[/quote]
Hence:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg14333/?topicseen#msg14333
Continuing:
[quote]The idea that sovereignty over North America belonged to
the King of England or the King of Spain, who transferred their
right to the United States by treaty, was too attractive to be
set aside. Following the precedent set in earlier cases and
appealing to international law, the Supreme Court determined in
1835 that the King of Spain's grant to the Arredondos was
valid.[/quote]
Which proves the need for:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/legal-decolonization/
Continuing:
[quote]The Seminoles who had lived and farmed in Alachua County
had already been forced from their homes under the Treaty of
Moultrie Creek (1823) and would soon be sent on the Trail of
Tears to Oklahoma under the Indian Removal Act (1830) and the
Treaty of Payne's Landing (1832).
The first coffles of enslaved Africans were already on the march
from South Carolina. This is the story embedded in the title to
your property and mine.[/quote]
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 10, 2022, 10:08 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/entertainment/america-first-crowd-sure-seems-192026022.html
[quote]The America First Crowd Sure Seems to Love British
Colonialism Now That the Queen Is Dead
...
Tucker Carlson responded to the news on Thursday by praising
Great Britain for “taking over the world,” arguing that the
empire “was not perfect, but it was far more humane than any
other, ever.”
“It’s gone now, barely even remembered,” the Fox News host
continued. “Queen Elizabeth II was the last living link to a
truly great Britain.” He then went on a screed about how Africa
was better off when it was controlled by white people.
[img]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FcNd9DlX0AEstJy?format=jpg&name=medium[/img]
...
Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene
@RepMTG
The death of the Queen is the end of an era.
An era, in which, the world prospered more than any other time
in history.
May she Rest In Peace.
Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk echoed Carlson and Greene
on Friday. “British colonialism actually made the world decent,”
he said after giddily announcing that the topic will “make the
media lose their mind.”
“Certain cultures are better than others,” Kirk said after
citing everything from the Magna Carta to Shakespeare. “Saying
that out loud is a thought crime. British colonialism was the
most benign global empire ever.”
The “certain culture are better than others” bit gets to the
heart of the conservative defense of British imperialism, in
that “certain” boils down to “white” and “others” boils down to
“non-white.”
Steve King — the former Iowa representative with a rich history
of racism — summed it up a little more explicitly on an MSNBC
panel ahead of the 2016 election. “I’d ask you to go back
through history and figure out, where are these contributions
that have been made by these other categories of people that
you’re talking about, where did any other subgroup of people
contribute more to civilization?” he said in response to a
comment about how the Republican Party is run by white people.
...
King reminded us, too. “Western Civilization is superior,” he
wrote on Friday.[/quote]
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