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       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: April 2, 2022, 10:50 pm
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  HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-no-longer-hide-behind-110037277.html
       --- Quote ---
       > Britain Can No Longer Hide Behind the Myth That Its Empire Was
       Benign
       > ...
       > In the eyes of others, Britain was the purveyor of a liberal
       imperialism, or “civilizing mission,” that was the
       standard-bearer for all other empires. For sure, there were
       blots, like the trade in enslaved peoples, but on history’s
       balance sheet, any ill-begotten wealth had been more than atoned
       for through Britain’s largesse.
       >
       > According to empire’s supporters, after spearheading the
       abolition movement, Britain launched its civilizing mission,
       transforming humanity. Sprawling across a quarter of the globe,
       the nineteenth and twentieth-century British Empire was the
       largest in history. Its developmentalist policies, which cleaved
       to racial hierarchies, allegedly brought 700 million colonized
       subjects, considered “backward” and “childlike,” into the modern
       world.
       >
       > When its colonies moved towards independence in the 20th
       century, Britain declared its civilizing mission a triumph. Its
       subjects had “grown up,” taking their seat at the Commonwealth
       of Nations table. Today, the Commonwealth, comprised of 54
       countries, most of which were former British colonies, is still
       headed by Queen Elizabeth II.
       --- End Quote ---
       False Leftists want "non-whites" to prove they can do grown-up
       things (machinism, space travel, etc.) as well as or better than
       "whites" can, instead of encouraging them to admit "whites"
       really are more grown-up and that is precisely why they are more
       evil.
       --- Quote ---
       > How we in the present remember the past, and how this past is
       deployed, has profound implications. In June 2016, for instance,
       Britain voted to leave the European Union, and memories of
       empire played no small role. The Conservative Party’s Brexit
       campaign touted a “Global Britain” vision, an Empire 2.0.
       “Churchill was right when he said that the empires of the future
       will be empires of the mind and in expressing our values I
       believe that Global Britain is a soft power superpower and that
       we can be immensely proud of what we are achieving,” Prime
       Minister Boris Johnson recently declared.
       >
       > How did we arrive here? How do we in the present understand
       the past and the ways in which it shapes the world in which
       we’re living? Such questions were thrown into relief when the
       Duke and Duchess of Cambridge embarked on an eight-day Caribbean
       tour. It was intended to commemorate the Queen’s Platinum
       Jubilee, and to affirm her authority as the symbolic head of
       state presiding over 15 countries comprising the Commonwealth
       Realm.
       >
       > Before departing, the young royals were given a history
       lesson, and warning, by academics and activists in the form of a
       letter. Chronicling Britain’s role in exploiting Jamaica through
       its use of enslaved labor and brutal colonial rule, it demanded
       accountability. Paying no heed, the duke and duchess forged
       ahead. Posters declaring “#SehYuhSorry and make REPARATIONS”
       greeted them in Jamaica, and the duke’s expression of “profound
       sorrow” for the “appalling atrocity of slavery” did little to
       quell demands for a colonial reckoning.
       >
       > His carefully choreographed presence was part of the problem.
       In full white military dress, with the duchess, also clad in
       white, by his side, the duke stood in an open-aired Land Rover,
       once used by the Queen during her 1952 royal tour, to inspect
       the Jamaican Defense Force parade. The optics, reminiscent of
       Lord Louis Mountbatten, India’s last viceroy, and his wife
       Edwina, during the final days of the Raj, drew swift backlash
       for their jaw-dropping colonial symbolism.
       >
       > Wrapping up his ill-fated trip, the chastened duke turned to
       the monarchy’s age-old imperial play book, long an extension of
       the British government’s, for answers. Choosing his words
       carefully, he reaffirmed his belief in Britain’s civilizing
       mission, dedicating himself to the “Commonwealth family,” a
       cornerstone of the Conservative Party’s Empire 2.0. Yet, the
       monarchy’s ability to maintain its fictions, and Britain’s,
       clearly hang in the balance. “This tour has brought into even
       sharper focus questions about the past and the future,” the duke
       conceded.
       >
       > Questions about Britain’s imperial past have, arguably, never
       been more salient, playing out in the nation’s streets, the
       floor of Parliament, and in the media. Historians, myself
       included, have much to say about this. I maintain that the
       question isn’t whether or not Britain’s empire was violent,
       because it was. The issues demanding sharper focus are how and
       why extraordinary coercion, endemic to the structures and
       systems of British rule, was deployed, and what methods Britain
       used to cover it up.
       >
       > During the empire’s heyday, British officials were obsessed
       with the “rule of law,” claiming this was the basis of good
       government. But good government in empire was liberalism’s fever
       dream. Its rule of law codified difference, curtailed freedoms,
       expropriated land and property, and ensured a steady stream of
       labor for the mines and plantations, the proceeds from which
       helped fuel Britain’s economy.
       >
       > After Britain waged some 250 wars in the nineteenth century to
       “pacify” colonial subjects, violent conflicts—big and small—
       were recurring as colonial officials imposed and maintained
       British sovereignty over populations who ostensibly never had
       it. When the colonized demanded basic rights over their own
       bodies and freedoms, British officials often criminalized them,
       cast their actions—including vandalism, labor strikes, riots,
       and full-blown insurgencies—as political threats, and invested
       police forces and the military with legally conferred powers for
       repression. To justify these measures, Britain deployed its
       developmentalist framework, pointing to the “moral effect” of
       violence, a necessary element for reforming unruly “natives.”
       --- End Quote ---
       The British attitude towards those whom they colonized is an
       exact parallel of parents' attitude towards their offspring. So
       why not emphasize this? Why instead attempt (as the False Left
       does) to portray the colonized as somehow more grown-up than the
       colonizers?
       --- Quote ---
       > By the twentieth century, Britain’s empire was replete with
       declarations of martial law and states of emergency needed to
       maintain order. A well-oiled bureaucratic and legal machinery
       for repression emerged, transferred from one part of empire to
       another by colonial and military officials.
       >
       > But in the post-World War II era of updated humanitarian laws,
       and new human rights conventions, British repression—which
       included widespread use of torture—was legally and politically
       problematic. British governments repeatedly denied their
       repressive measures in the empire while ordering the wide-scale
       destruction of incriminating evidence. Fragments remained,
       however, and historians have reassembled them, puncturing the
       myths of paternalism and progress, and demonstrating
       liberalism’s perfidiousness across the empire and at home. Our
       role now is to ensure that the broader public is aware of our
       findings—findings that often confirm the lived experiences and
       memories of formerly colonized populations.
       >
       > Ultimately, Britain’s civilizing mission was always pregnant
       with conflict. Even if it took centuries, subject populations
       would “grow up,” and Britain would have to concede its sovereign
       claims to empire when its discerning eye judged the once
       “uncivilized” to be fully evolved. This when was always elusive,
       however. That Jamaica, Belize, and the Bahamas remain in the
       Commonwealth Realm, with the Queen as its symbolic head of
       state, and the monarchy still peddling the idea of a
       “Commonwealth family,” begs the question of whether this when is
       still elusive, at least in the minds of some. It is, indeed, a
       question the future heir to the throne, and others who maintain
       Britain’s uniquely “civilizing” past and present, should ponder.
       --- End Quote ---
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       #Post#: 12462--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: rp
       Date: April 3, 2022, 7:17 am
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       This confirms my suspicion that the "British" (Albion)
       colonialism was driven more by False Left humanism/paternalism
       than right wing ethnotribalism . It's just that the False
       Leftists of those times had a more positive view of Western
       Civilization than the False Leftists of today.
       In terms of anti-colonial propaganda, this could help us as we
       can now accuse the False Leftists of sharing the same views as
       the colonialists, whereas previously we would only accuse them
       of "siding" with the colonialists.
       But of course this also means we cannot attack the colonialists
       for being ethnotribalists alone.
       #Post#: 13374--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: May 15, 2022, 10:32 pm
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       An enemy eulogy:
  HTML https://counter-currents.com/2022/05/remembering-hinton-rowan-helper/
       --- Quote ---
       > Hinton Rowan Helper was a curious and fascinating figure from
       nineteenth-century American history. Although mostly forgotten
       today, he was one of the most important and discussed men in the
       nation during the lead-up to the Civil War. As an unswerving
       race realist and white patriot at a time when whites were by far
       the dominant racial group in North America, he was (and probably
       still is) ahead of his time.
       > ...
       > Born in North Carolina in 1829, Helper always had a strong
       racial identity. This was solidified when, as a young man, he
       was exposed to the incipient Chinese population in California as
       well as to the lingering Hispanic and Native American presence
       there. He understood the superiority of whites as
       civilization-builders and developed a contempt for non-whites.
       He also wasn’t shy about expressing this contempt to anyone who
       would listen. Filters, apparently, were for the weak.
       >
       > In The Land of Gold, his memoir of his time in California, he
       describes Native Americans as “inexcusably ignorant and
       abominably filthy.” He accuses Mexicans of practicing “the
       lowest debaucheries throughout the week.” Of the Chinese he
       writes, “I cannot perceive what more right these semi-barbarians
       have in California than flocks of blackbirds have in a
       wheatfield.” Ouch.
       >
       > He further opines that
       >
       > [n]o inferior race of men can exist in these United States
       without becoming sub-ordinate to the will of the Anglo-Saxons,
       or foregoing many of the necessities and comforts of life.
       >
       > Nothing aroused Helper’s visceral indignation, however, more
       than blacks.
       > ...
       > In his 1867 book, Nojoque, A Question for a Continent, Helper
       presented extensive evidence for blacks’ inferiority and argued
       for their permanent removal from American life.
       > ...
       > [Helper] concluded that “from the hair of his head to the
       extremities of his hands and feet,“ every part of the Negro,
       “however large, or however small, whether internal or external,
       whether physical or mental, or moral, loses in comparison with
       the white, much in the same ratio or proportion as darkness
       loses in comparison with light, or as evil loses in comparison
       with good.”
       > ...
       > He also offers a list of characteristics in which Negroes
       compare unfavorably with whites. Included are such subjective
       criteria as “curved knees,” “calfless legs,” and “Malodorous
       Exhalations.”
       > ...
       > In 1877, while on a trip to South America, he was forced to
       stop in Dakar off the west coast of Africa, and was anxious to
       view the Negro in his native habitat. Of course, he was appalled
       and disgusted by the poverty and depravity all around, and
       regretted that he had no “Orsini bombs” with which to smash it
       all.
       > ...
       > Helper conceded that association with whites brought partial
       elevation to the Negro, but he felt that the gain,
       unfortunately, was offset by a corresponding degradation of the
       whites. The presence of large numbers of Negroes in the South
       explained the Northern superiority in many fields. “While we are
       cursed with the black imps of Africa,” he wrote, “you there are
       blessed with the white genii of Europe.”
       --- End Quote ---
       #Post#: 13839--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: June 2, 2022, 8:52 pm
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       With the issue of residential schools recently raised:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/canada-residential-schools/
       here is our enemies' perspective:
  HTML https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2022/06/the-myth-of-the-native-american-mass-graves.html
       --- Quote ---
       > Did you know that the children of the nomadic Siberian Nenets
       tribe are sent to boarding school for nine months each year to
       learn the basics of civilization?
       > ...
       > Does this mean they are coerced? Of course not. It’s not the
       evil civilized White people forcing them. Like all responsible
       parents, Nenet parents who want the best for their children,
       know very well that they need to learn how to live in the modern
       world.
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree that the Nenet parents betrayed their offspring by not
       waging total war on the "whites" to the death rather than
       submitting to the previously nonexistent institution of
       compulsory schooling. But this does not exonerate the "whites"
       from declaring the schools to be compulsory in the first place.
       The children were indeed coerced, by a combination of "white"
       oppression and their own parents' cowardice.
       --- Quote ---
       > After their education which lasts several years, most of them
       do not want to return to the tundra. The most gifted become
       lawyers, doctors, or researchers, the others find a job of some
       kind and integrate themselves into the society that raised them.
       Nobody forces them. They themselves choose where they want to
       live and how. And that’s a good thing.
       --- End Quote ---
       Did they get to choose whether or not to receive schooling in
       the first place? They did not. They were forced. To say they
       choose how to live after their compulsory education is no
       different than saying victims of torture choose to cooperate
       with their torturers after the torture.
       --- Quote ---
       > Russians have great respect for the hundreds of ethnic groups
       that have lived on their territory since time immemorial. They
       want things to go well and everyone to be happy.
       --- End Quote ---
       Oh please:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/msg7661/#msg7661
       Continuing:
       --- Quote ---
       > And so did the Missionaries who taught the Aboriginals in
       residential schools. By vocation they were also sincerely
       concerned about their students who just like the Nenets were to
       be civilized for their own good.
       --- End Quote ---
       A.k.a. it's OK for missionaries to be "white".
       --- Quote ---
       > Since their parents lived in the wilderness sometimes far from
       the boarding schools, they could not be sent back to their
       families on weekends as they would today. There were no roads or
       buses. In order to adapt them as well as possible, it made more
       sense to keep these children in boarding school for several
       months.
       --- End Quote ---
       It would have made most sense for schools to not be compulsory.
       --- Quote ---
       > But despite this long stay away from their parents, many of
       them like the prominent Aboriginal playwright Tomson Highway and
       the late band chief Cece Hodgson-McCauley greatly enjoyed their
       time at their schools. “Nine of the happiest years of my life
       were spent at that school…some people have been badmouthing
       residential schools for money,” the chief told the Huffington
       Post and CBC. (1)
       --- End Quote ---
       Fine, let those who enjoy school attend voluntarily and let
       those who do not enjoy school not be forced to attend.
       --- Quote ---
       > At the time of the so-called mass graves, the child mortality
       rate was close to 40%. Aboriginal people were less resistant to
       disease than Europeans. Residential schools were overcrowded and
       hygiene was sometimes poor. Malnutrition, tuberculosis, typhus,
       Spanish flu (1917-1921) and several other infectious diseases
       were rampant. There were no antibiotics to treat them. Is it any
       wonder that many died? Of course not!
       --- End Quote ---
       In other words, their deaths could have been avoided if the
       schools were less crowded, and the schools would have been less
       crowded if attendance had not been compulsory.
       --- Quote ---
       > Truth be told, before their evangelization and education in
       boarding schools by missionaries, Native Americans were not
       noble, good, kind, or innocent as portrayed in the movie. They
       were savages of unprecedented cruelty; primitives who practiced
       cannibalism and slavery; warriors who spent their time fighting
       over territory.
       --- End Quote ---
       No one is claiming Native Americans are flawless (just earlier
       in this post I was calling them cowards). Nevertheless,
       cannibalism of war enemies is far better than killing innocent
       victims expressly for the purpose of eating them. "Whites" were
       also practicing slavery and fighting over territory. But Native
       Americans did not have compulsory schooling. So who are worse?
       --- Quote ---
       > You can easily see this hatred of White Catholics and Whites
       in general almost on a daily basis in the media and in the
       movies.
       --- End Quote ---
       For good reason!
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       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: June 9, 2022, 9:00 pm
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  HTML https://counter-currents.com/2022/06/thomas-nelson-pages-social-life-in-old-virginia-before-the-war/
       --- Quote ---
       > What was life like in the antebellum South? Obviously it’s
       going to be a matter of perspective. Thomas Nelson Page provided
       one such viewpoint, the type we seldom hear about lately. He was
       a lawyer in his early career and a diplomat later, but is best
       known as a writer.
       > ...
       > They possessed the faults and the virtues of young men of
       their kind and condition. They were given to self-indulgence;
       they were not broad in their limitations; they were apt to
       contemn what did not accord with their own established views
       (for their views were established before their mustaches); they
       were wasteful of time and energies beyond belief; they were
       addicted to the pursuit of pleasure. They exhibited the
       customary failings of their kind in a society of an aristocratic
       character. But they possessed in full measure the corresponding
       virtues. They were brave, they were generous, they were
       high-spirited. Indulgence in pleasure did not destroy them.
       --- End Quote ---
       I hardly need to point out that what Page calls "aristocratic
       character" is actually barbarism.
       --- Quote ---
       > he had nothing but praise for the young ladies:
       >
       > She was the incontestable proof of their gentility. In right
       of her blood (the beautiful Saxon, tempered by the influences of
       the genial Southern clime), she was exquisite, fine, beautiful;
       a creature of peach-blossom and snow; languid, delicate, saucy;
       now imperious, now melting, always bewitching. She was not
       versed in the ways of the world, but she had no need to be; she
       was better than that; she was well bred. She had not to learn to
       be a lady, because she was born one. Generations had given her
       that by heredity.
       >
       > Page goes on for page after page singing the praises of
       Southern belles.
       --- End Quote ---
       It can be reduced to three words: high sexual dimorphism.
       --- Quote ---
       > I recall a butler, “Uncle Tom,” an austere gentleman, who was
       the terror of the juniors of the connection. One of the
       children, after watching him furtively as he moved about with
       grand air, when he had left the room and his footsteps had died
       away, crept over and asked her grandmother, his mistress, in an
       awed whisper, “Grandma, are you ‘fraid of Unc’ Tom?”
       >
       > The Driver was the ally of the boys, the worshipper of the
       girls, and consequently had an ally in their mother, the
       mistress. As the head of the stable, he was an important
       personage. This comradeship was never forgotten; it lasted
       through life. The years might grow on him, his eyes might become
       dim; but he was left in command even when he was too feeble to
       hold the horses; and though he might no longer grasp the reins,
       he at least held the title, and to the end was always “the
       Driver of Mistiss’s carriage.”
       >
       > The rest of the household servants included the following:
       >
       > Other servants too there were with special places and
       privileges, — gardeners and “boys about the house,” comrades of
       the boys; and “own maids,” for each girl had her “own maid.”
       They all formed one great family in the social structure now
       passed away, a structure incredible by those who knew it not,
       and now, under new conditions, almost incredible by those who
       knew it best.
       > ...
       > Nearly the entire second half of the book is about various
       aristocratic diversions such as horse racing, fox hunting, and
       square dancing
       --- End Quote ---
       Again, Page's notion of "aristocratic" is everything but.
       --- Quote ---
       > Nearing the end, the author begins a summation:
       >
       > That the social life of the Old South had its faults I am far
       from denying. What civilization has not? But its virtues far
       outweighed them; its graces were never equalled. For all its
       faults, it was, I believe, the purest, sweetest life ever lived.
       --- End Quote ---
       Because apparently fox hunting, horse racing and being waited on
       by slaves is so much purer than asceticism (which is the true
       aristocratic path).....
       --- Quote ---
       > Then he names Dixie’s accomplishments, a long list which
       includes the following:
       >
       > It christianized the negro race in a little over two
       centuries, impressed upon it regard for order, and gave it the
       only civilization it has ever possessed since the dawn of
       history. It has maintained the supremacy of the Caucasian race,
       upon which all civilization seems now to depend.
       --- End Quote ---
       I will just post the photo our enemies included to show that
       Page's face is about as "aristocratic" as his writing is:
  HTML https://counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/thomasnelsonpage.jpg
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       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: June 25, 2022, 4:09 am
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       Our enemies in their own words on what they think of their
       victims:
  HTML https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2022/06/two-white-girls-call-for-re-imagining-the-future-of-canmore-alberta-as-an-indigenous-land-where-all-living-beings-are-respected.html
       --- Quote ---
       > Most Eurocanadians are not “settlers on these lands”. Although
       we are indigenous to Europe, Canada is our homeland too.
       >
       > Stop marginalising us in the country that our ancestors (not
       the Native tribes’ ancestors) built.
       >
       > I am also not subject to Treaty 7 of 1877; I have no
       affiliation with the relevant tribes to the treaty. I am a
       subject of Her Majesty the Queen in right of Canada.
       > ...
       > at no point in this treaty are the Indigenous nation
       signatories referred to as sovereign or self-determining. They
       are, however, referred to as “Her [Queen Victoria’s] Indian
       subjects”, and that the chiefs are responsible for the “faithful
       performance… of such obligations as should be assumed by them”.
       >
       > It is stated directly:
       >
       >     the Blackfeet, Blood, Piegan, Sarcee, Stony and other
       Indians inhabiting the district hereinafter more fully described
       and defined, do hereby cede, release, surrender, and yield up to
       the Government of Canada for Her Majesty the Queen and her
       successors for ever, all their rights, titles, and privileges
       whatsoever to the lands included within the following limits… to
       have and to hold the same to Her Majesty the Queen and her
       successors for ever.
       > ...
       > One has to wonder what such an indigenous declaration of
       sovereignty would really reward them with though. Any sensible
       person would not want to see, for example, the entirety of the
       Province of Saskatchewan become an enormous version of Red
       Pheasant reserve. Then again, if I was dealing with sensible
       people, my article for the CEC would be unnecessary. I quote my
       chapter ‘On Imperial European Civilisation’: “the conquest of
       the continent known at present as North America by the European
       empires was one of the greatest events to occur in human
       history”, and that we must not be ashamed for our ancestors’
       disruption of the Stone Age societies that were here first.
       >
       > Even as I write this, I interrupted my work to go get a
       Swiffer to dust my desk. What a brilliant innovation that I can,
       for a low cost, buy a disposable slice of fabric impregnated (is
       that a triggering word for feminists?) with static electricity
       to better remove dust from flat surfaces. Would such an
       innovation have ever been seen on this continent if its
       development had not risen above and beyond the hunter-gatherer
       level? Not a chance.
       >
       >
  HTML https://www.eurocanadians.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/unnamed-4.png
       --- End Quote ---
       Our enemies' claim that the inhabitants of North America were
       all hunter-gatherers/nomads prior to Western colonialism is of
       course a lie:
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_in_Canada#Archaic_period
       --- Quote ---
       > The North American climate stabilized by 8000 BCE (10,000
       years ago); climatic conditions were very similar to
       today's.[67] This led to widespread migration, cultivation and
       later a dramatic rise in population all over the Americas.[67]
       Over the course of thousands of years, Indigenous peoples of the
       Americas domesticated, bred and cultivated a large array of
       plant species. These species now constitute 50–60% of all crops
       in cultivation worldwide.[68]
       > ...
       > The Woodland cultural period dates from about 2,000 BCE –
       1,000 CE, and has locales in Ontario, Quebec, and Maritime
       regions.[80] The introduction of pottery distinguishes the
       Woodland culture from the earlier Archaic stage inhabitants.
       Laurentian people of southern Ontario manufactured the oldest
       pottery excavated to date in Canada.[69] They created
       pointed-bottom beakers decorated by a cord marking technique
       that involved impressing tooth implements into wet clay.
       Woodland technology included items such as beaver incisor
       knives, bangles, and chisels. The population practising
       sedentary agricultural life ways continued to increase on a diet
       of squash, corn, and bean crops.[69]
       --- End Quote ---
       Also, the following invention is (not parody!) what makes
       Western colonialism justified, according to our enemies:
  HTML https://pipevet.com/pub/media/catalog/product/cache/e3fc86710873c1f6bfe347c6a9371d8d/1/2/123766.jpg
       And this is a good example of why everyone on our side must ASAP
       give up thinking that racists can be taught to stop being
       racist:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/superiority-cannot-be-taught/
       The only way to end racism is to end eliminate racist
       bloodlines.
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       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: rp
       Date: June 25, 2022, 12:31 pm
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       "We don't owe fairness to.anyone that is not our people"
       Spoken like a proper tribalist.
       #Post#: 14336--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: SirGalahad
       Date: June 25, 2022, 10:16 pm
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       The first people to say "We conquered this land fair and square"
       are simultaneously the first people to cry out "This is white
       genocide! I can't believe you want to wipe out our beautiful
       cultures! I thought you leftists loved diversity!" the moment
       they're met with not even actual widespread violence against
       "white" people, but voluntary immigration. The Jew cracker cries
       out in pain as he strikes you
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        Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: guest30
       Date: June 30, 2022, 3:49 pm
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       > "...Most Eurocanadians are not “settlers on these lands”.
       Although we are indigenous to Europe, Canada is our homeland
       too. ..."
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       Jews : "...Most of Jewish people are not "settlers on these
       lands". Althouth we are indigenous to Europe, Canaan is our
       homeland too. ..."
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       Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: July 16, 2022, 9:10 pm
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       Our enemies on Calhoun:
  HTML https://www.amren.com/features/2022/07/americas-greatest-political-thinker-since-the-founders/
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       > Calhoun wrote:
       >
       > I only know of one principle to make a nation great, and that
       is, to protect every citizen in the lawful pursuit of his
       business. He will then feel that he is backed by the government,
       that its arm is his arms, and will rejoice in its increased
       strength and prosperity. Protection and patriotism are
       reciprocal. This is the road that all great nations have
       trod.(94)
       --- End Quote ---
       OK, but who is "every citizen"? Certainly not everyone who wants
       to be a citizen:
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       > Calhoun’s doctrine does not serve everyone. Richard Hofstadter
       had reason to call him the “Marx of the master class.”
       Progressives would say his views bias the state in favor of
       property holders and current citizens. It means that
       non-citizens, those outside the state (Indian tribes), and those
       not represented by the system have no stake in the Republic. In
       Calhoun’s time, it also meant that the United States defended
       slaveholders and their property, putting slaves and even
       abolitionists outside the polity. (We should remember that
       Virginia executed John Brown for treason against the
       Commonwealth, not just for murder.)
       --- End Quote ---
       "Every citizen" = those in the ingroup only
       See also:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/leftist-vs-rightist-moral-circles/
       Continuing:
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       > Calhoun took for granted that the expansion of American
       civilization meant displacing Indian tribes, and saw no
       contradiction between this and republicanism.
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       In fact, Calhoun was the one practicing tribalism. And yes, I
       agree there is no contradiction between tribalism and
       republicanism; the latter is indeed one way to efficiently
       organize the former. If anything, it is absolute monarchism
       which is more risky for tribalism, because then all it takes is
       an anti-tribalist monarch to put an end to it. Imagine if John
       Brown were absolute monarch of America! It is to prevent such a
       possibility that tribalists feel safer with republican
       separation of powers across multiple branches of government that
       function to restrain one another.
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       > Calhoun’s second main argument is that America’s racially
       discriminatory policies, including slavery, unify white
       citizens, protect democracy, and mitigate class differences.
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree with Calhoun. This is why True Leftists cannot be
       democrats.
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       > Calhoun also understood that a common economic and political
       interest in slavery made a broad commitment to white democracy
       possible in South Carolina.
       --- End Quote ---
       This is what actual democracy was intended to be about:
       political decisions being made by the will of the majority of
       the demos, which is "white"-only. This maximizes the chances
       that the decisions are made with "white" tribal interests in
       mind.
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       > He also understood a defensive stance in politics is always
       doomed. Thus, he defended slavery as a “positive good,”
       --- End Quote ---
       Then why not put "whites" into slavery also? (Of course we know
       what Calhoun really means: slavery is a positive good for those
       who are not slaves.)
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       > Calhoun argued that slavery also promoted social peace and
       served white workers’ interests.
       --- End Quote ---
       See?
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       > In response to the slogan “no one is free unless all are
       free,” Calhoun might respond that no one has ever been free
       unless others were subjugated.
       --- End Quote ---
       Calhoun's notion of freedom is the standard "white" notion of
       "freedom". They have to be actively oppressing others just to
       feel neutral.
       (If there was only one person in existence, then no one is
       subjugated, so is that person "unfree"? Perhaps Yahweh created
       the material world because Yahweh himself thinks like Calhoun
       and hence felt "unfree" with no one to subjugate?)
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       > Slavery promoted republicanism by giving poor whites a stake
       in the system, rich whites a reason to care about poor whites,
       and both a reason to defend the government.
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree completely. This is why I hate slavery: it is
       sustainable evil.
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       > “Are we to associate with ourselves, as equals, companions and
       fellow-citizens, the Indian and mixed races of Mexico?” he
       asked. “I would consider such association as degrading ourselves
       and fatal to our institution.”
       --- End Quote ---
       I agree that it would be fatal to Western institutions, which
       only proves such institutions should never have existed in the
       first place.
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       > He [Calhoun] could support taking Oregon, California, and New
       Mexico on the assumption that they would one day be filled with
       white people, and thus could be incorporated into the United
       States, even if they might be free states. But the United States
       could not conquer and incorporate a nation of nonwhite people
       without destroying its form of government
       --- End Quote ---
       Based on its tribalist motivations, this form of government
       surely deserves to be destroyed.
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       > Calhoun warned Americans that “[liberty] is a reward to be
       earned, not a blessing to be gratuitously lavished on all alike
       — a reward for the intelligent, the patriotic, the virtuous and
       deserving — and not a boon to be bestowed on a people too
       ignorant, degraded and vicious, to be capable either of
       appreciating or enjoying it.”
       --- End Quote ---
       In short, Calhoun views slave owners as "the intelligent, the
       patriotic, the virtuous and deserving", and abolitionists as
       "ignorant, degraded and vicious".
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