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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 15, 2021, 10:06 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VLC375p6SQ
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: rp
Date: June 15, 2021, 10:07 pm
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First, it was "poor White people didn't own any slaves!", and
now this...
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 8, 2021, 12:58 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-host-says-native-143105140.html
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> Fox News host says Native American land 'wasn't stolen': 'We
won this land on the battlefield'
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Fortunately the Twitter commenters responded promptly:
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> "This money wasn't stolen, officer. It was taken at gunpoint.
I won it fair and square at gunpoint, so it's mine!"
--- End Quote ---
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> “This is my car. I didn’t steal it. I won it during the
carjack”
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> "It wasn't robbery, it was ARMED robbery. So it's cool."
--- End Quote ---
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> How dare you say I stole your house!
> I came into your house, beat you up, I got your family sick,
raped and killed some of them, but we battled, and then when I
defeated you, I offered you a **** ton of free booze and gave
you some land over down by the dump that I didn’t want.
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etc.
But the truly revealing thing is that Watters said "we", hence
he is voluntarily self-identifying with the Western
colonialists. Which of course means we should treat him as one.
More about Watters:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Watters#Controversies
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> In October 2016, Watters was criticized for a segment of
Watters' World that was widely considered racist toward Asian
Americans.[20][21][22] In New York City's Chinatown, Watters
asked Chinese Americans if they knew karate (which originates
from Japan, not China), if he should bow before he greets them,
or if their watches were stolen.[21][23] Throughout the segment,
the 1974 song "Kung Fu Fighting" plays in the background, and
the interviews are interspersed with references to martial arts
and clips of Watters getting a foot massage and playing with
nunchucks.[22][23]
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 13, 2021, 10:08 pm
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Our enemies in their own words:
HTML https://vdare.com/posts/the-five-hundredth-anniversary-of-the-fall-of-tenochtitlan-and-the-birth-of-mexico
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> The truth of the matter is that the Spanish Conquest, whatever
one thinks of it, is the true origin of the Mexican nation.
Mexico as we know it would not exist if not for the Spanish
Conquest.
>
> For starters, the majority of Mexicans are mestizos, with both
Indian and European ancestors. Therefore, the majority of
today’s Mexicans would definitely not exist today had it not
been for the Spanish conquest of Mexico and the resulting racial
mixture.
> ...
> Yes, by all means, Mexicans should commemorate the Fall of
Tenochtitlan. But they should do so in a manner respectful of
both their Indian and European forebears, who made them what
they are today.
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If one of my parents raped the other to conceive me, am I
supposed to be "respectful" to both?
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: guest55
Date: August 13, 2021, 10:55 pm
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> Thomas wrote that when looking back at the destruction of the
Aztec Empire and the conquest of other Indigenous peoples in the
Americas, European colonizers have tried to justify the violence
by denouncing Indigenous communities' brutal acts of human
sacrifice and murder.
>
> In the case of the Aztecs, the Spanish condemned how priests
tore out the hearts of prisoners and slaves and wore the skins
of their victims inside out. Both British and American colonists
similarly seized upon the action of scalping by some Native
Americans to defend violent reprisals.
>
> Yet historians say the magnitude of violence the Spanish
conquest had on Mexico — as well as the destruction perpetrated
by other European conquests in the Americas — is undeniable.
>
> Thomas referred to a letter from Pedro de Maluenda, a
commissary working with Cortés, which said making the trip back
from Tenochtitlán to Veracruz was like traveling from hell to
heaven.
>
> The historian described a devastated city in the wake of the
Spanish conquest, with defeated Aztecs leaving their homes in
smoke and ruins and the streets of their capital full of
unburied bodies.
>
> To put the size of the destruction into perspective, Thomas
described Sevilla, Spain’s biggest city at the time, as
“probably a mere quarter of the size of Tenochtitlán.” The Aztec
capital was bigger than any other city the Spanish soldiers had
seen.
>
> “If the lake dwellers [the Aztecs] were fascinated [by the
Spanish], Cortés and his men also felt awe,” the historian
wrote. “For in front of them lay a city as large as any that
anyone in his party had seen — though Naples and Constantinople,
with over 200,000 people each, ran Tenochtitlán close.”
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://news.yahoo.com/500-years-spanish-conquest-still-194008119.html
Obviously that denouncement by the Spanish was all horse-shyte
if you take into account the Spanish inquisition and subsequent
persecutions by the Judeo-Greco-Christian Vatican!
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 3, 2021, 11:50 pm
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Our enemies clarify their position:
HTML https://counter-currents.com/2021/09/indigenous-isnt-our-term/
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> The popularity of anti-colonialism and the term “indigenous”
speaks to our anti-white age. We’re told all white-founded
colonial countries are stolen land and that the true owners were
dispossessed. “Indigenous Peoples’ Day” now replaces Columbus
Day. This discourse makes ordinary people think that land has a
rightful owner, and that that owner is never white.
>
> However, some Right-wingers think we can utilize this
discourse for our own purposes. Whites can be indigenous, too,
and we are victimized by colonialism, they argue. They think
that by appealing to the zeitgeist, we can be more in tune with
the times. A few may even think it might create a degree of
solidarity with other “indigenous” peoples fighting against the
imperialist menace.
>
> But this idea won’t work. This framework is inherently
anti-white. We’re not going to trick Left-wing indigenous
activists into supporting our cause. Moreover, this would entail
condemning our own past on behalf of a misguided political
strategy.
>
> Much of this was pointed out in a great article by one “Stone
Age Herbalist” for the site Countere. Herbalist argues that this
“indigenous” appeal is a poor strategy and that “we should
instead be asserting that our nations and identities are
legitimate precisely because our ancestors conquered, fought,
and died for the land, not because we are mythically indigenous
to it.”
> ...
> That is why Herbalist argues it is better to rely on the right
of conquest to morally defend ourselves. Like all peoples who
claim a homeland, America was purchased through the blood and
toil of our ancestors. The fact that we won this land makes it
ours, not through some appeal to a concept invented by Leftists.
> ...
> How can we say America is our land when we took it from
someone else? How are we supposed to celebrate the great
warriors and statesmen of our past when their glories came at
the expense of the vanquished? How do we reconcile our entire
national history with an anti-colonialist framework if we’ve
always been the colonizers? All of these foundations are given
away for the sake of a poorly thought out political strategy.
> ...
> We have nothing to feel ashamed about. The right of conquest
makes this land ours. There’s no need to defer to Leftist
theories to uphold our birthright.
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They also reveal that they still do not understand what conquest
is. Conquest is when one state takes territory from another
state. For example, if State A conquers the territory of State
B, all that changes is that the existing residents of that
territory, who were former taxpayers to B, now become taxpayers
to A instead. When you deport the existing residents from the
territory, you are not conquering, but stealing.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: October 6, 2021, 2:54 pm
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This article looks back on the history curriculum some prominent
right-wing politicians were taught in school. These politicians,
of course, have called teaching things like slavery "left-wing
propaganda".
Not surprisingly, a lot of these politicians are so old they
literally went to segregated schools. Racist textbooks continue
to this day, however:
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> Tom Cotton, a 1995 graduate of Dardanelle High School, likely
learned his American History from The American Pageant.
> [...]
>
> Cotton’s text never explicitly says the Civil War was about
slavery or even refers to it as a “Civil War.” Instead, it
carefully couches the “War for Southern Independence” as a clash
that had to do with tariffs, Northern overreach, blah, blah,
blah. The book also doesn’t quote any of the actual declarations
of secession, only noting that the “rebel” Jefferson Davis told
the despotic “King” Abraham Lincoln: “All we ask is to be let
alone.”
>
> And, of course, the textbook describes the period after the
Civil War:
>
> Unbending loyalty to “ole Massa” prompted many slaves to help
their owners resist the Union Armies. Blacks blocked the door of
the “big house” with their bodies or stashed the plantation
silverware under mattresses in their own humble huts, where it
would be safe from the plundering “bluebellies”...Newly
emancipated slaves sometimes eagerly accepted the invitation of
Union troops to join in the pillaging of their master’s
possessions.
>
> This would be a theme throughout many of the textbooks. The
few passages that described the lives of Black people were
usually crafted from single-sourced narratives of enslavers or
other white people. “The-thing-that-happened-that-one-time”
becomes the mold for “this is how the slaves were,” which is the
literal definition of stereotyping.
>
> Perhaps the only thing more racist than this textbook is the
name “Tom Cotton,” which sounds like the person you have to
fight when you defeat all the other slave masters.
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HTML https://www.theroot.com/we-found-the-textbooks-of-senators-who-oppose-the-1619-1846832317
The problem of school textbooks being Western propaganda and
ignoring the ignoble aspects of Western civilization has been
pointed out for decades. (Although, unfortunately, books like
this did not propose a leftist/pro-American competing narrative,
so it has led only to cynicism on the left):
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 13, 2021, 9:35 pm
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HTML https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/09/world/europe/spain-conservatives-conquistadors.html
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> In a letter to Mexican bishops last month, Pope Francis called
for a revisiting of the country’s history, especially the role
of the Roman Catholic Church, and urged clergy members to
“recognize the painful errors committed in the past.”
>
> Yet it wasn’t in Mexico where his remarks drew controversy,
but in Spain, where the right wing soon rallied behind the
country’s role in conquering the Americas, alongside the church,
more than 500 years ago.
>
> Isabel Díaz Ayuso, the conservative leader of Madrid, said she
was surprised that “a Catholic who speaks Spanish would talk
that way,” adding that Spain had brought “civilization and
freedom” to the Americas. And a former prime minister said he
was proud of the conquest.
> ...
> It’s particularly troubling in a country that is still
burdened by the not-so-distant memory of Francisco Franco’s
dictatorship. Franco ruled until his death in 1975, stoking
nationalist sentiment with hallowed symbols like the cross, the
flag and bullfighting.
> ...
> Founded in 2013 by a politician who broke with the Popular
Party, Vox has leaned deep into Spain’s nationalist taboos and
at times has defended Franco. Its anti-immigrant stances,
considered racist by critics, drew praise from figures like
Stephen K. Bannon, Donald Trump’s former adviser, who advised
Vox as well.
>
> The party’s growth — it’s now the third-largest in the
national Parliament — has some veteran politicians concerned
that conservatives are increasingly tempted to follow Vox
further to the right.
>
> On Sunday, the Popular Party president, Pablo Casado, laid out
the group’s platform in a fiery speech from the floor of a
bullfighting ring. He surprised some analysts with a hardened
tone against immigration, abortion and a separatist movement in
the Catalonia region.
> ...
> Then José María Aznar, a former prime minister, defended the
Spanish conquest at the party’s national convention last week.
>
> “I’m inclined to feel very proud of it, I’m not asking for
forgiveness,” he said of the colonial era.
> ...
> In an interview in her office this week, Ms. Ayuso said there
was nothing radical about defending the Spanish conquest of the
Americas. She accused those who were pushing the historical
debate of promoting a kind of left-wing identity politics, which
she sees as the main source of the country’s divisions.
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I suppose bullfighting similarly brought "civilization and
freedom" to the bulls?
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: January 25, 2022, 1:35 am
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--- Quote ---
> Ron DeSantis Pushes Florida Bill to Protect White People From
'Guilt' About Racist Past
>
> Governor Ron DeSantis' attempts to ban critical race theory in
Florida moved forward on Tuesday as an education panel gave
first approval to a bill that would prohibit schools and private
businesses from making people feel "guilt" about the country's
racist past.
>
> The state's Republican-controlled Senate Education Committee
approved the legislation—called "Individual Freedom"—in a vote
along party lines.
>
> The bill would bar employers from subjecting "any individual,
as a condition of employment, membership, certification,
licensing, credentialing or passing an examination, to training,
instruction, or any other required activity" that promotes
certain concepts related to race and racism.
>
> For instance, it would prohibit employers from providing
training that "espouses, promotes, advances, inculcates, or
compels" people to believe they bear "responsibility for, or
should be discriminated against or receive adverse treatment
because of, actions committed in the past by other members of
the same race, color, sex, or national origin."
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.newsweek.com/ron-desantis-pushes-florida-bill-protect-white-people-guilt-racist-past-1670661
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> It also prohibits making people "feel discomfort, guilt,
anguish, or any other form of psychological distress on account
of his or her race, color, sex, or national origin."
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So, is he going to abolish the very concept of "whiteness",
which has inflicted, and continues to inflict, so much
psychological and physical distress on people across the world?
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> State Senator Shevrin Jones, the sole Black lawmaker on the
Florida education committee, told the Associated Press the
legislation was designed to make white people "not feel bad
about what happened years ago" and would lead to censorship in
schools.
>
> We are responsible for our future in ensuring that what
happened back then NEVER happens again! We can’t get there by
hiding the truth, we get there by exposing it.
HTML https://t.co/fCtcK5rnfn
> — Shevrin “Shev” Jones (@ShevrinJones) January 19, 2022
--- End Quote ---
Yes, Westerners accuse us of destroying history--meanwhile, they
are the ones who attempt to make it illegal to actually study
real history.
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> But State Senator Manny Diaz, a Republican lawmaker and the
bill's sponsor, told the AP that the legislation was not about
ignoring the "dark" parts of American history, but ensuring that
people were not blamed for the nation's past sins.
--- End Quote ---
Those who perpetuate and admire Western Civilization continue
the perpetuation of the same evil that caused those tragedies in
the past. So long as people remain Confederate sympathizers,
white supremacists, and carriers of Western Civilization, we are
still fighting the same battle as the past. What's going on now
is merely a continuation.
So, yes, "whites" and Westerners can 100% be blamed for
everything that happened in the past, since they embrace it and
do all in their power to keep the injustice going.
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 31, 2022, 10:08 pm
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What did the Renaissance-era Vatican think of colonialism?
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/first-nations-members-urge-pope-160109773.html
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> Members of the Assembly of First Nations on Thursday pressed
Pope Francis to revoke 15th century papal orders used to justify
colonialism.
>
> The decrees, issued in 1455 and 1493, approved of colonial
explorers’ seizure of Indigenous land in Africa and the Americas
and were used in the Doctrine of Discovery, according to CBC
News.
> ...
> “Because we didn’t have souls, that gave the right for these
explorers to do whatever they wanted with Indigenous Peoples —
murder, ****, enslave,” Kaluhyanu:wes Michelle Schenandoah, an
Oneida Nation member, explained, according to CBC.
>
> Schenandoah added that “the doctrine has placed us in this
place of being invisible and dispensable.”
--- End Quote ---
In short, the Vatican's ethics matched its aesthetics:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3961/#msg3961
The correct response by victims of Western colonialism is, of
course, not merely to request that Francis revokes the edicts,
but to raze the entirety of the Vatican to rubble and put
Francis' head on a stick.
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