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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: HikariDude Date: April 16, 2023, 11:19 am
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There's something in most songs I hear that I really like in
music and it's called the Circle of Fifths. It may be heard in a
lot of Western classical music but the interval comes from the
ancient philosopher, Pythagoras, inspired by Mesopotamian
philosophy:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths
[quote]Some sources imply that the circle of fifths was known in
antiquity, by Pythagoras.[11][12][13] This is a misunderstanding
and an anachronism.[14] Tuning by fifths (so-called Pythagorean
tuning) dates to Ancient Mesopotamia;[15] see Music of
Mesopotamia § Music theory, though they did not extend this to a
twelve note scale, stopping at seven. The Pythagorean comma was
calculated by Euclid and by Chinese mathematicians (in the
Huainanzi); see Pythagorean comma § History. Thus, it was known
in antiquity that a cycle of twelve fifths was almost exactly
seven octaves (more practically, alternating ascending fifths
and descending fourths was almost exactly an octave). However,
this was theoretical knowledge, and was not used to construct a
repeating twelve-tone scale, nor to modulate. This was done
later in meantone temperament and twelve-tone equal temperament,
which allowed modulation while still being in tune, but did not
develop in Europe until about 1500.
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so in a way, those in pre-colonial cultures (including
Pythagoras) were the true musicians. Not all those
post-Renaissance musicians who learned it from elite music
schools.
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 18, 2023, 7:38 pm
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In response to:
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this is how superior pre-colonial Mexican palace architecture
was:
[img width=643
height=1280]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Palenque_Collage.jpg[/img]
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Palenque_Chiapas.JPG/1280px-Palenque_Chiapas.JPG[/img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Palace_at_Palenque.jpg
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/50/Comalcalco_Recreaci%C3%B3n_2.JPG/1280px-Comalcalco_Recreaci%C3%B3n_2.JPG[/img]
As usual, note the abundance of unfilled space.
See also:
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 28, 2024, 2:55 am
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Continuing from:
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I remember as a child, Western adults used to explain to me that
we should be grateful to Western scientists because plastic
vessels unlike ceramic vessels would not shatter if dropped on
the floor etc.. Of course this is deceptive, as it operates on a
false implicit assumption that ancient non-Western vessels were
all made of ceramics. Actually, non-Western shatterproof vessels
had existed for millennia:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquer
[quote]Lacquer is a type of hard and usually shiny coating or
finish applied to materials such as wood or metal. It is most
often made from resin extracted from trees and waxes and has
been in use since antiquity.[1]
Asian lacquerware, which may be called "true lacquer", are
objects coated with the treated, dyed and dried sap of
Toxicodendron vernicifluum or related trees, applied in several
coats to a base that is usually wood. This dries to a very hard
and smooth surface layer which is durable, waterproof, and
attractive in feel and look.[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lacquerware
[quote]East Asian countries have long traditions of lacquer
work, going back several thousand years in the cases of China,
Japan and Korea. The best known lacquer, an urushiol-based
lacquer common in East Asia, is obtained from the dried sap of
Toxicodendron vernicifluum. Other types of lacquers are
processed from a variety of plants and insects. The traditions
of lacquer work in Southeast Asia, South Asia and the Americas
are also ancient and originated independently.[/quote]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Cinesische_Sch%C3%BCssel_Lack%2C_Sammlung_Gunther_Lambert.jpg/1024px-Cinesische_Sch%C3%BCssel_Lack%2C_Sammlung_Gunther_Lambert.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Qin-Han_Lacquered_Pot_%2810163478874%29.jpg/1024px-Qin-Han_Lacquered_Pot_%2810163478874%29.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Lacquer_Wine-Cup_Container.jpg/1024px-Lacquer_Wine-Cup_Container.jpg
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Geta_Unearthed_from_the_Tomb_of_Zhu_Ran_2012-05.JPG/1024px-Geta_Unearthed_from_the_Tomb_of_Zhu_Ran_2012-05.JPG[/img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/WLA_haa_Table_Yuan_Dynasty.jpg/1024px-WLA_haa_Table_Yuan_Dynasty.jpg
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: rp Date: January 3, 2025, 9:44 am
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=zn6QjaEq_4E
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: rp Date: January 10, 2025, 1:27 pm
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www.youtube.com/shorts/fYoIDZpPrbg
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: MeSoCorny Date: January 10, 2025, 9:53 pm
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An old American brick pattern is based on corn:
[img]
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[img width=696
height=1280]
HTML https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FFq_tM0XsAQL-Dw?format=jpg&name=large[/img]
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 10, 2025, 10:47 pm
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Contrast with Western inferiority:
HTML https://engineeringlearn.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Brick-Masonry-1024x539.jpg
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: acc9 Date: September 21, 2025, 4:28 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cWJnivyms
The tech-free China that wows ....
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Re: The superiority of pre-colonial aesthetics
By: acc9 Date: October 2, 2025, 8:12 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNoyLTG1LXg
Ancient village in Guizhou canyon, self-sufficient in food
supply and peacefully serene.
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Re: Decolonized Housing
By: rp Date: October 10, 2025, 1:32 am
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMBi-0LepMM
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