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#Post#: 4691--------------------------------------------------
The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: March 8, 2021, 10:48 pm
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How do you guys feel about this tradition, and how would you
personally deal with it in the long term? I’m going to be
honest: I don’t like the hijab very much, and despise the other
two. It strikes me as unnecessary and sexist. I would respect it
if Muslim men were expected to cover up in the same exact way.
Otherwise, it’s completely contrary to our message of
emphasizing low sexual dimorphism. I’m open to hearing arguments
for why I should view this in a more positive light, since I
admire aspects of modern Islam as I do Christianity, and will
undoubtedly interact with people of the Muslim community as
Aryanism hopefully gains more traction
#Post#: 4693--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 8, 2021, 11:03 pm
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"I would respect it if Muslim men were expected to cover up in
the same exact way."
This is what we should promote. (Actually, this is what we
already have right now with COVID masks.....)
"Otherwise, it’s completely contrary to our message of
emphasizing low sexual dimorphism."
Exactly. There cannot be a gender-based double-standard of what
is considered modest dress. I am open to different countries
having different standards of modest dress (and then individuals
can choose to live in whichever country has the standard that
they prefer), but whatever standard applies must apply to
everyone.
#Post#: 4730--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: Cthens
Date: March 11, 2021, 10:18 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> "I would respect it if Muslim men were expected to cover up in
the same exact way."
>
> This is what we should promote. (Actually, this is what we
already have right now with COVID masks.....)
>
> "Otherwise, it’s completely contrary to our message of
emphasizing low sexual dimorphism."
>
> Exactly. There cannot be a gender-based double-standard of
what is considered modest dress. I am open to different
countries having different standards of modest dress (and then
individuals can choose to live in whichever country has the
standard that they prefer), but whatever standard applies must
apply to everyone.
>
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My ancestors in North Africa had men also cover their face. A
corrupt version of this can still be seen with the Sanhedja.
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litham
#Post#: 10288--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 28, 2021, 4:59 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> Exactly. There cannot be a gender-based double-standard of
what is considered modest dress. I am open to different
countries having different standards of modest dress (and then
individuals can choose to live in whichever country has the
standard that they prefer), but whatever standard applies must
apply to everyone.
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm curious what you mean by "modest"? Sexual modesty?
Uniformity? The clothing itself is modest?
#Post#: 10296--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 28, 2021, 9:37 pm
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
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> For some, the hijab is worn by Muslim women to maintain
modesty and privacy from unrelated males. According to the
Encyclopedia of Islam and Muslim World, modesty concerns both
men's and women's "gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia".[10] The
Qur'an instructs Muslim women and men to dress modestly.[11]
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#Post#: 10303--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 29, 2021, 11:56 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
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>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab
>
> [quote]For some, the hijab is worn by Muslim women to maintain
modesty and privacy from unrelated males. According to the
Encyclopedia of Islam and Muslim World, modesty concerns both
men's and women's "gaze, gait, garments, and genitalia".[10] The
Qur'an instructs Muslim women and men to dress modestly.[11]
--- End Quote ---
[/quote]
Wouldn't hiding one's facial expressions/body language be a kind
of emotional dishonesty and reduce empathy?
I like modesty in terms of wearing simple, plain clothes
And preventing others from objectifying us, although this would
only be necessary among non-Aryans
#Post#: 10333--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 29, 2021, 10:30 pm
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"Wouldn't hiding one's facial expressions/body language be a
kind of emotional dishonesty and reduce empathy?"
It is not dishonest, as everyone can see that you are hiding
them. If anything, it removes the potential for the dishonesty
of faking facial expressions/body language (as would be possible
if they were visible).
As for empathy, we are more than able to empathize even with
characters in text-only novels, so I don't think this is a
problem.
#Post#: 10342--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 30, 2021, 5:03 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> It is not dishonest, as everyone can see that you are hiding
them. If anything, it removes the potential for the dishonesty
of faking facial expressions/body language (as would be possible
if they were visible).
>
> As for empathy, we are more than able to empathize even with
characters in text-only novels, so I don't think this is a
problem.
>
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You aren't removing the potential for dishonesty overall, you're
shifting communication to rely more on verbal than non-verbal
cues, which makes it easier to deceive in a way; I don't have to
fake actual tears, or a loving gaze, I can just make sobbing
noises or claim I dearly love you.
Novels include descriptions of the character's body language,
and writing a relatable character takes skill. Not everyone can
even talk. And how are we gonna communicate with animals? So yes
if you required everyone to hide their body and face you're
going to severely inhibit empathy.
#Post#: 10348--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 30, 2021, 9:04 pm
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"you're shifting communication to rely more on verbal than
non-verbal cues, which makes it easier to deceive in a way; I
don't have to fake actual tears, or a loving gaze, I can just
make sobbing noises or claim I dearly love you."
That is what sub-par actors do for a crying scene: partially
cover their face and make sobbing noises. They are not
convincing the audience that they are sincerely crying, they are
just concealing that they are not really crying (which everyone
still knows they are not).
"So yes if you required everyone to hide their body and face
you're going to severely inhibit empathy."
Everyone is hiding their body and face while communicating on
this forum. If you find this so unsatisfactory, you are welcome
to go here instead:
HTML https://onlyfans.com/
#Post#: 10350--------------------------------------------------
Re: The Hijab, Niqab, and Burka
DIR By: Polinc_Socjus
Date: December 30, 2021, 9:18 pm
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"So yes if you required everyone to hide their body and face
you're going to severely inhibit empathy."
Couldn't people reveal themselves in private as they get to know
each other?
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