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Re: Media decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: September 11, 2022, 8:28 pm
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Do you agree with the influx of 'wokeness' in media franchises
over the last few years? I hear many conservatives criticizing
various media outlets as 'ruining beloved franchises' because of
the issue presented in the above video. Does the True Left
approach still apply?
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Re: Media decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 11, 2022, 8:34 pm
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There is no general answer. Each franchise must be considered on
a case-by-case basis. Do you have a particular one (or several)
in mind?
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Re: Media decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: September 11, 2022, 9:50 pm
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Here's some to start:
[list]
[li]High Guardian Spice
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Guardian_Spice[/li]
[li]Star Wars
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars[/li]
[li]The aforementioned Lord of the Rings series.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Rings_of_Power[/li]
[/list]
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Re: Media decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 11, 2022, 10:03 pm
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What is the rightist complaint about each of these that you want
me to comment on?
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Re: Media decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: September 12, 2022, 10:39 am
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For High Guardian Spice, consult these videos for details:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgHwwadSzo
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2qCIJyZHds
For Star Wars:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-QX1CTbzVM
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eperU27iScc
For Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtBRVTeOZNI
Each of these videos make complaints such as 'it breaks the
lore', or 'these characters are 'Mary Sues'', or 'the character
was only included to 'check off a box for a token minority'. I
don't know, it all seems very rightist to me.
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Re: Media decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 12, 2022, 5:20 pm
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"'it breaks the lore',"
What is the element of lore of each particular franchise
supposedly being broken, and how? As I said in the previous
post, we have to consider each franchise (and thus each lore) on
a case-by-case basis.
"'these characters are 'Mary Sues''"
Mary Sue is a concept only meaningfully applicable to fan
fiction. Applying it to canonical works makes no sense.
"'the character was only included to 'check off a box for a
token minority'."
I can only say that I do not support tokenism, which in essence
is degrades characters into props and thus insults the very
minority being tokenized.
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Re: Media decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: September 13, 2022, 7:56 pm
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'What is the element of lore of each particular franchise
supposedly being broken, and how?'
In Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, people claim there
were no dark-skinned dwarves, yet a dark-skinned woman was cast
as a dwarf. There are other complaints regarding Galadriel and
the other elves and how they act 'human', as well as Galadriel
being an action heroine.
'Mary Sue is a concept only meaningfully applicable to fan
fiction. Apply it to canonical works makes no sense.'
Well, in their defense, the protagonist of the Sequel Trilogy
Rey has no flaws or character defects. She is able to
effectively use the Force, wield a lightsaber, and pilot the
Millennium Falcon despite having little or no prior training.
'I can only say that I do not support tokenism, which in essence
is degrades characters into props and thus insults the very
minority being tokenized.'
Precisely.
Incidentally, what is your opinion on the animated series Steven
Universe? It was made by a Jew, but it has received critical
acclaim for its LGBT representation.
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Re: Media decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 13, 2022, 8:25 pm
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I already addressed LOTR above.
"Well, in their defense, the protagonist of the Sequel Trilogy
Rey has no flaws or character defects. She is able to
effectively use the Force, wield a lightsaber, and pilot the
Millennium Falcon despite having little or no prior training."
So what? She is a canonical character. Canonical characters can
be whatever the author wants them to be. The Mary Sue problem in
fan fiction is when fan-inserted characters written as more
competent than canonical characters end up making the canonical
characters redundant, thus usurping the fan fiction.
"Incidentally, what is your opinion on the animated series
Steven Universe?"
I have never watched it and have no plans to.
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Re: Media decolonization
By: christianbethel Date: September 14, 2022, 12:26 pm
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Why? Because it's made by a Jew?
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Re: Media decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 14, 2022, 12:40 pm
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I rarely watch new shows in general. Even if I have time, I
prefer to rewatch old shows.
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