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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 16, 2022, 11:55 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/why-cant-boost-way-covid-121617847.html
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> Why we can't 'boost' our way out of the COVID-19 pandemic for
the long term
> ...
> the vaccines have failed to provide long-term protective
immunity to prevent breakthrough infections – cases of COVID-19
infection that occur in people who are fully vaccinated.
>
> Because of this, the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention recently endorsed a second booster shot for
individuals 50 years of age and older and people who are
immunocompromised. Other countries including Israel, the U.K.
and South Korea have also approved a second booster.
>
> However, it has become increasingly clear that the second
booster does not provide long-lasting protection against
breakthrough infections.
> ...
> While the third dose – or first booster – of COVID-19 vaccines
was highly effective in preventing the severe form of COVID-19,
the protection afforded against infection lasted for less than
four to six months.
>
> That diminished protection even after the third dose is what
led the CDC to endorse the fourth shot of COVID-19 vaccine –
called the second booster – for people who are immunocompromised
and those aged 50 and older.
>
> However, a recent preliminary study from Israel that has not
yet been peer-reviewed showed that the second booster did not
further boost the immune response but merely restored the waning
immune response seen during the third dose. Also, the second
booster provided little extra protection against COVID-19 when
compared to the initial three doses.
> ...
> In addition to the inability of the current COVID-19 vaccines
to provide long-term immunity, some researchers believe that
frequent or constant exposure to foreign molecules found in an
infectious agent may cause immune “exhaustion.”
>
> Such a phenomenon has been widely reported with HIV infection
and cancer. In those cases, because the T cells “see” the
foreign molecules all the time, they can get worn down and fail
to rid the body of the cancer or HIV.
>
> Evidence also suggests that in severe cases of COVID-19, the
killer T cells may be exhibiting immune exhaustion and therefore
be unable to mount a strong immune response.
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So, with all the above information in front of them, can they
now finally figure out what should be done instead? No, because
they are Western medics:
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> the next phase of vaccine development will need to focus on
how to trigger a long-lived antibody response that would last
for at least a year, making it likely that COVID-19 vaccines
will become an annual shot.
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FFS WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?! JUST PREVENT TRANSMISSIONS
AND THE PANDEMIC WILL BE OVER!
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 21, 2022, 9:23 pm
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I told you so:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/covid-whiplash-now-dominant-ba-004116151.html
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> Covid Whiplash: Now-Dominant BA.2 Variant Being Quickly
Overtaken Across The U.S. By Yet Another Faster-Growing Omicron
Offshoot, Says CDC
> ...
> Just as most Americans have caught wind of the BA.2 variant of
Omicron — which overtook the original Omicron as the dominant
strain in the U.S. less than a month ago — another possibly
faster-growing version of Omicron is quickly making inroads.
>
> The new Omicron sublineage BA.2.12.1 now accounts for 19% of
all new cases specifically sequenced for variants in the
country, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Centers
for Disease Control. That means the strain — barely on the
national radar two weeks ago — is now being identified in close
to 1 in 5 newly-sequenced cases, up from 1.5% less than a month
before on 3/19. Given that, Americans trying to keep up may be
experiencing a form of variant whiplash.
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The more vaccines used, the more the virus evolves in response.
The cycle will never end until transmissions end. And yet the
very rationale behind vaccines is to reduce the immediate danger
of transmissions (and hence remove the incentive for stopping
trasmissions). Welcome to Western civilization.
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: rp
Date: April 21, 2022, 9:31 pm
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Unfortunately, False Leftists do not hold this view, but rather
the opposite:
Fauci: Lockdowns are for getting people vaccinated, virus cannot
be eradicated:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEN7JBpxPU
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 1, 2022, 10:25 pm
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> The new Omicron sublineage BA.2.12.1
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Never mind:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/south-african-covid-variants-omicron-193245240.html
--- Quote ---
> New South African Covid Variants, Omicron BA.4 And BA.5, Found
In U.S. For First Time; May Be More Transmissible Than BA.2
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 6, 2022, 7:34 pm
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/omicron-subvariant-now-dominating-u-172311998.html
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> The omicron subvariant now dominating the U.S. is ‘the worst
version of the virus that we’ve seen’
> ...
> “It takes immune escape, already extensive, to the next level,
and, as a function of that, enhanced transmissibility,” well
beyond what has been seen before, he wrote.
> ...
> The variants, discovered in South Africa, quickly took hold in
the country in April and May despite the fact that almost all
South Africans had been vaccinated or previously had COVID by
that point.
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Replace "despite" with "because of". Will Westerners ever learn?
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 7, 2022, 9:08 pm
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They will not learn:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/multipronged-vaccine-protects-against-covid-033426781.html
--- Quote ---
> A new type of vaccine developed at Caltech aims to ward off
novel coronaviruses even before health officials are aware that
they exist.
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This is how Westerners think. They can't help it. And then of
course Western scientists will try it out:
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> When tested in mice and monkeys, it trained the animals'
immune systems to recognize eight viruses at once — and induced
immunity to viruses they had never encountered.
> ...
> the vaccinated mice and monkeys had little to no detectable
virus in their systems despite attempts to infect them with
either SARS-CoV or SARS-CoV-2.
>
> "We're very excited about that,” Bjorkman said.
>
> That wasn't the case with the animals injected with the bare
nanoparticle — they weren't able to fight off any viruses and
died. The animals that received the vaccine with pieces of
SARS-CoV-2 only were protected against that virus but had no
protection against any other coronavirus, and most of them died
as well.
--- End Quote ---
Finally, to pre-emptively avoid responsibility for unforeseen
negative outcomes later, blame the victims ahead of time:
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> “It’s certainly encouraging," said Dr. Paul Offit, a
virologist and immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania.
"But these are animal model studies, and as is well known among
scientists, mice lie and monkeys exaggerate."
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And as is well known among True Leftists, Western scientists
behave like Westerners in general, but worse.
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 10, 2022, 8:05 pm
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Previously:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg10777/#msg10777
Western brains are still broken:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/another-covid-19-variant-spreading-204525051.html
--- Quote ---
> each new infection gives the virus a possibility to change its
structure and become a more challenging disease to prevent.
>
> “Every time it infects someone, there’s a chance it mutates,”
said Shane Fernando, an assistant professor of pediatrics at the
University of North Texas Health Science Center.
> ...
> Fernando, who has a PhD in epidemiology, said one way to think
about variants and subvariants of the original virus is to
understand that the virus is trying to mutate so that it can
better survive and continue to spread.
>
> “Every hurdle that it comes across, it evolves in order to
bypass or surpass that obstacle,” Fernando said.
--- End Quote ---
This should be all the information anyone needs to conclude that
the solution is to PREVENT NEW INFECTIONS, and certainly not to
insert more and more of the very hurdles that the guy just
explained literally help the virus become stronger.
But just a few paragraphs later, we are back to:
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> Where can I get the COVID-19 vaccine or booster in Fort Worth?
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: September 6, 2022, 7:33 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/yet-another-curveball-covid-mutation-084446293.html
--- Quote ---
> When the pharmaceutical industry scrambled to develop the
first COVID vaccines back in 2020, it made sense that developers
focused on the part of the virus that allows it to grab onto and
infect our cells: the spike proteins.
>
> The best vaccines contain a piece of the spike, or genetic
data about the spike, either of which can spur an immune
response. Not to be outdone, the virus has been mutating—with
many of the changes occurring on that same spike.
>
> But other parts of the virus are changing, too. Now, for the
first time, a team of scientists has scrutinized these
changes—and voiced a warning.
>
> “With each major variant that has been identified, we are
seeing mutations outside of [the] spike that we are trying to
figure out,” Matthew Frieman, a University of Maryland School of
Medicine immunologist and microbiologist and lead author of the
new study, told The Daily Beast.
>
> It’s possible the virus is accumulating non-spike mutations in
an attempt to gain some advantage over our collective immunity
as the COVID pandemic grinds toward its fourth year. These new
mutations might not make the virus more infectious the way spike
mutations do, but they could be associated with longer
infections.
--- End Quote ---
So have Western brains figured out what the problem is yet? Of
course not, because Western brains are broken:
--- Quote ---
> If this trend continues—and there’s no reason to believe it
won’t—we might eventually need new antiviral drugs and new
vaccine formulations that aren’t so specifically focused on the
spike.
--- End Quote ---
THEN THE VIRUS WILL JUST GO BACK TO THE SPIKE! WHAT IS SO HARD
TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS?!
It's not that Western scientists, being scientists, don't
understand what the virus is doing (they do, after initiating
enough violence on innocent victims to do so):
--- Quote ---
> “Viruses don’t do things by accident.” Instead, they try out
small changes, over and over, until some combination of changes
helps it survive and spread. The resulting variant or subvariant
then outcompetes other forms of the pathogen until it becomes
dominant—and the likely basis for the next set of mutations.
>
> To understand the reason for, and effects of, the non-spike
mutations, Frieman’s team cloned SARS-CoV-2 then started
deleting the spike proteins and testing the resulting “deletion
viruses” on mice, assessing how contagious the viruses were and
how severe the infections were.
> ...
> For now, it seems the spike and non-spike mutations are
working together. The spike mutations make the virus steadily
more contagious. “Mutations in [the] spike have been identified
in every major variant that then out-competes the previous
variant,” Frieman explained.
>
> Meanwhile, the non-spike mutations appear to prolong
infection. This in turn gives the pathogen more time to mutate
inside a particular person, and also spread to other people. “We
hypothesize that this balance is critical for further evolution
of SARS-CoV-2,” Frieman’s team wrote.
--- End Quote ---
It's that they, being Westerners, don't know any response
besides mirroring what the virus is doing:
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> Frieman said his goal is to scrutinize these non-spike
mutations in order to “figure out what they do, how they do it
[and] why they make the virus better at being a virus.” “Then we
can use that information to make drugs,” including new antiviral
therapies and vaccine formulations.
--- End Quote ---
They even think that the solution is to go faster:
--- Quote ---
> Speed matters. The Omicron variant and its rapid-fire
subvariants, each coming just a couple months after the last,
was a warning that our pharmaceutical research-and-development
processes might be too slow. Note that the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration just last week green-lit Omicron-specific vaccine
boosters—a full 10 months after the initial Omicron variant
first became dominant. “Omicron and its lineages”—another term
for subvariants—“taught us a lesson for the need to be more
agile in modifying the vaccine,”
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NO, THE MORE AGILE THE VACCINE BECOMES, THE MORE AGILE THE VIRUS
BECOMES! THAT'S HOW PREDATOR-PREY DYNAMICS WORK!
--- Quote ---
> That problem could get worse if the rate of non-spike
mutations accelerates. Our vaccine R&D is too slow even when
it’s narrowly focused on the spike. What happens when it needs
to broaden its scope to combat a virus that’s learning to mutate
across its structure?
>
> There’s another wrinkle. These accumulating mutations across
the novel-coronavirus—on the spike and not on the spike—could
start to mess with the polymerase chain-reaction tests we use to
detect and track the virus.
>
> PCR tests and sequencing use primers tailored for a certain
range of viral characteristics. Too many mutations “can mess
with the PCR test,” Niema Moshiri, a geneticist at the
University of California-San Diego, told The Daily Beast.
>
> Pay attention, but don’t panic. It’s really no surprise that
SARS-CoV-2 is trying out mutations on different parts of the
virus. That’s what viruses do—adapt.
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Exactly. Yet read the next sentence:
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> The trick for us, the novel-coronavirus’s host, is to adapt at
least as quickly.
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HTML https://www.wisebread.com/files/fruganomics/imagecache/blog_image_full/files/fruganomics/blog-images/bang%20head%20here.gif
No, the trick is to stop thinking like a Westerner:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg10403/#msg10403
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> Immunity approach = "We will evolve to be immune to you, and
if you keep evolving in response, we will just keep evolving
faster!"
>
> Lockdown approach = "We will (by preventing transmissions)
prevent you from evolving, so that we don't need to evolve
either!"
>
> The immunity approach is, at its core, a manifestation of
progressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more
immunity with strengthening). The lockdown approach is a
manifestation of regressivism (and hence equating the acquiring
of more and more immunity with adulteration).
>
> Regressivism must defeat progressivism if we are to break the
cycle.
--- End Quote ---
At least some comments are getting it now:
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> Vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 and influenza will always be chasing
these constantly evolving viral mutations, so the alternative is
to also focus on the science involved in reducing transmission
(primarily airborne via small infectious respiratory aerosols)
in indoor settings.
> ...
> BTW the vaccines themselves exert evolutionary pressure on how
these viruses evolve as they pass through the population.
>
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> The vaccine is mutating this virus in my opinion.
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> What we need is another full lockdown. Everyone I know is
catching this. During the lockdown, the spread was much less.
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> The mRNA vaccines are causing the mutations.
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> Will anyone dare to hypothesize that the leaky vaccine is
contributing to the variants?
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Re: Vaccination
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 15, 2022, 11:46 pm
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Sigh:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/nightmare-covid-variant-beats-immunity-025733218.html
--- Quote ---
> The Nightmare COVID Variant That Beats Our Immunity Is Finally
Here
> ...
> A highly-mutated descendant of the Omicron variant of the
SAR-CoV-2 virus that drove a record wave of infections starting
around a year ago, XBB in many ways is the worst form of the
virus so far. It’s more contagious than any previous variant or
subvariant. It also evades the antibodies from monoclonal
therapies, potentially rendering a whole category of drugs
ineffective as COVID treatments.
>
> “It is likely the most immune-evasive and poses problems for
current monoclonal antibody-based treatments and prevention
strategy,” Amesh Adalja, a public-health expert at the Johns
Hopkins Center for Health Security, told The Daily Beast in
reference to XBB.
--- End Quote ---
And Westerners will never learn:
--- Quote ---
> The implication, of course, is that we’re eventually going to
need another new booster in order to keep pace with the
fast-evolving virus.
--- End Quote ---
No, the implication is that you need to LOCKDOWN and stop all
transmissions (and hence all further evolution) once and for
all.
--- Quote ---
> More and more health officials are coming around to the idea
of an annual COVID booster. U.S. president Joe Biden even
endorsed the idea in a statement last month. “As the virus
continues to change, we will now be able to update our vaccines
annually to target the dominant variant,” Biden said. “Just like
your annual flu shot, you should get it sometime between Labor
Day and Halloween.”
>
> But one booster a year might not be enough if, as some
epidemiologists fear, natural antibodies fade faster and the
novel-coronavirus mutates at an accelerating rate. One concern,
if it turns out we need twice-a-year new boosters, is whether
industry can develop fresh jabs fast enough and health agencies
can swiftly approve them.
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It is mutating at an accelerating rate BECAUSE you are
accelerating the rate of boosters!
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> The virus isn’t done with us. Which means we can’t be done
with it. Get boosted. And be prepared to get boosted again in
2023.
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And be prepared for this cycle of stupidity to continue until
Westerners cease to be the ones in charge.
#Post#: 16078--------------------------------------------------
Re: Vaccination
DIR By: Zhang Caizhi
Date: October 16, 2022, 2:27 am
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Thailand has just authorised vaccination for 6-month to
4-year-old.
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