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Vaccination
By: SirGalahad Date: March 4, 2021, 7:30 pm
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What’s the opinion here, concerning vaccination? I know that you
guys are against the vaccination of infants (since they can’t
consent) and children who don’t want to be vaccinated (since
that would violate their consent), but what about adults? You
guys seem to allude in certain blog and forum posts that you
have issues with vaccination in general, which would include
adults. With COVID vaccines beginning to be rolled out to the
general population, I was just wondering if there was anything I
should be aware of, before I potentially decide to get
vaccinated myself
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Re: Vaccination
By: guest5 Date: March 4, 2021, 9:31 pm
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[quote author=SirGalahad link=topic=525.msg4600#msg4600
date=1614907839]
What’s the opinion here, concerning vaccination? I know that you
guys are against the vaccination of infants (since they can’t
consent) and children who don’t want to be vaccinated (since
that would violate their consent), but what about adults? You
guys seem to allude in certain blog and forum posts that you
have issues with vaccination in general, which would include
adults. With COVID vaccines beginning to be rolled out to the
general population, I was just wondering if there was anything I
should be aware of, before I potentially decide to get
vaccinated myself[/quote]
I served in the U.S. military and received many vaccines. I
could not serve with out them. That probably doesn't answer your
question all that well though....
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Re: Vaccination
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2021, 10:28 pm
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"I know that you guys are against the vaccination of infants
(since they can’t consent) and children who don’t want to be
vaccinated (since that would violate their consent)"
This is correct.
"what about adults? You guys seem to allude in certain blog and
forum posts that you have issues with vaccination in general"
We are firstly against vaccines whose development involved
experimination on animals (who did not consent either). If a
vaccine did not involve experimentation on animals, under
current circumstances (ie. us not being in charge) we are on
ethical grounds willing to leave it up to each individual to
decide whether or not to use it.
If we were in charge, however, we on medical grounds would not
use vaccination (or other herd immunity) programs. This is
because a vaccine exerts selective pressure on the virus
(similar to how predators exert selective pressure on prey) thus
leading to virus mutating into more complex forms that enable it
to survive the antibodies generated by the vaccine in the
long-term, which will later necessitate a new vaccine (similar
to how prey exert selective pressure on predators) that
generates more complex antibodies, which then does the same
thing to the new virus in an endless cycle. This is the typical
Western approach to all problems, which we ideologically reject.
The correct way to counter a virus (used since ancient times) is
by strict lockdown to prevent the infected from infecting anyone
else. Deprived of a supply of new hosts, the virus is
automatically doomed, and we just have to wait it out. It is
that simple.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ_2c7oF63c
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Re: Vaccination
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 11, 2021, 12:58 am
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It's happening already:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/south-african-variant-break-pfizer-200435213.html
[quote]The coronavirus variant discovered in South Africa can
"break through" Pfizer/BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine to some
extent, a real-world data study in Israel found, though its
prevalence in the country is low and the research has not been
peer reviewed.
The study, released on Saturday, compared almost 400 people who
had tested positive for COVID-19, 14 days or more after they
received one or two doses of the vaccine, against the same
number of unvaccinated patients with the disease. It matched age
and gender, among other characteristics.
The South African variant, B.1.351, was found to make up about
1% of all the COVID-19 cases across all the people studied,
according to the study by Tel Aviv University and Israel's
largest healthcare provider, Clalit.
But among patients who had received two doses of the vaccine,
the variant's prevalence rate was eight times higher than those
unvaccinated - 5.4% versus 0.7%.
This suggests the vaccine is less effective against the South
African variant, compared with the original coronavirus and a
variant first identified in Britain that has come to comprise
nearly all COVID-19 cases in Israel, the researchers said.
"We found a disproportionately higher rate of the South African
variant among people vaccinated with a second dose, compared to
the unvaccinated group. This means that the South African
variant is able, to some extent, to break through the vaccine's
protection," said Tel Aviv University's Adi Stern.[/quote]
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Re: Vaccination
By: guest5 Date: April 13, 2021, 12:36 am
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Who knows what this virus is going to end up mutating into.
Perhaps a day will soon arrive were all the anti-lockdown
protestors will hate themselves for their foolishness. Covid-19
is an RNA virus after-all. Homo Hubris maybe kicking himself for
his stupidity sooner than we had previously imagined....
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Re: Vaccination
By: rp Date: April 13, 2021, 7:59 pm
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False Leftists are once again deflecting criticism from Western
Civilization by placing the blame squarely on "Big Pharma".
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Vaccination in Thailand
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: May 12, 2021, 6:03 am
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If you think this topic is useful, you can move.
HTML https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2107255/lets-vaccinate-together-pm
[quote]
The government has pledged to work closely with the private
sector to speed up the Covid-19 vaccine rollout and achieve its
target of providing 100 million Covid-19 vaccine shots to
inoculate 50 million people by the end of the year.
Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha used a meeting with businessmen
at Government House yesterday to stress that he and his
ministers were committed to helping them acquire more vaccines.
"The prime minister was glad that the government will work with
the private sector as they share a common aim of containing the
outbreak of Covid-19 and restoring the economy to prepare for
the reopening of the country," said government spokesman Anucha
Burapachaisri.
The government has approved the private sector's proposal to set
up four teams, comprising several companies, to help increase
the rollout and buy more vaccines:
Team A will be responsible for distribution and logistics and
will provide personnel and equipment support, plus additional
vaccination areas arranged by private companies;
Team B (communication) will work to allay people's concern about
the safety of vaccines and persuade them to be inoculated;
Team C (IT operation) will develop a vaccination registration
system and provide technical support to the state's official
"Mor Prom" Line account;
Team D (extra vaccine procurement) will work with state agencies
and private hospitals to buy and offer alternative vaccines to
private company staff.
Sanan Angubolkul, the Thai Chamber of Commerce (TCC) chairman,
said after the meeting that the prime minister had welcomed the
proposal and stressed the TCC was ready to assist government
moves to buy more vaccines and speed up their distribution.
Gen Prayut is now calling the shots in the Covid-19 campaign
after the cabinet granted him temporary powers on Tuesday to
enforce 31 laws relating to the handling of the pandemic.
Danucha Pichayanan, secretary-general of the National Economic
and Social Development Council (NESDC), said after yesterday's
meeting that the prime minister had instructed the council and
the National Security Council (NSC) to work with the Joint
Public and Private Sector Consultative Committee (JPPSCC) to
support the procurement of vaccine doses by state and private
agencies.
It was agreed at the meeting that the two sectors would
collaborate to distribute vaccine doses and vaccinate priority
groups in Bangkok, while the JPPSCC would be responsible for
distribution and vaccination in other provinces, Mr Danucha
said.
The Public Health Ministry and the Interior Ministry will work
with the Federation of Thai Industries, the Board of Trade of
Thailand, the Thai Bankers Association and the Tourism Council
of Thailand to procure vaccine doses and achieve broad vaccine
distribution.
Mr Danucha said the private sector would coordinate with the NSC
and other concerned agencies to roll out a PR campaign and build
public confidence in the vaccines.
The Public Health Ministry will be responsible for handling the
registration of five priority groups: medical and healthcare
staff, front-line officials such as immigration officers and
soldiers, people with underlying health issues, people aged 60
and above, and those living in the worst-hit areas.
The Food and Drug Administration and Government Pharmaceutical
Organisation have also been instructed to consider easing
regulations to allow the private sector to procure vaccine
doses, Mr Danucha said.
[/quote]
Thailand is using mainly 2 brands:
1) Sinovac imported from China
2) AstraZeneca manufactured at Siam Bioscience, a company owned
by the Crown Property Bureau of Thailand.
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Re: Vaccination
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 14, 2021, 10:30 pm
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Sigh:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qts_hLKXd0k
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Re: Vaccination
By: rp Date: May 14, 2021, 10:36 pm
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Hopefully, this new strain will target the arrogant, Homo Hubris
Westerners who hubristically proclaimed that they were
impervious to the disease since they had injected themselves
with Western pharmaceuticals. But then again, knowing how the
Demiurge works, I wouldn't count on it.
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Re: Vaccination
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: May 18, 2021, 6:08 am
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Vaccination is encouraged in Thailand by the government and
respected Thai medical doctors.
There is a picture quoting a doctor dean compares death from
COVID-19 and vaccination, which the former is much more than the
latter.
Thai pro-government people trust what the government and
respected Thai medical doctors said.
Thai anti-government people are more sceptical fearing that
vaccination is promoted by the government.
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