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Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
By: guest5 Date: March 3, 2021, 9:35 pm
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Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2sGR_eYE4Q
We can also be certain Jesus never called God "Yahweh"
either....
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Re: Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
By: guest5 Date: March 4, 2021, 10:42 pm
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O Christ Worshippers! - A Poem by Ibn al-Qayyim
[quote]Ibn al-Qayyim was an important medieval Islamic
jurisconsult, theologian, and spiritual writer. Belonging to the
Hanbali school of orthodox Sunni jurisprudence, of which he is
regarded as "one of the most important thinkers," Ibn al-Qayyim
is today best remembered as the foremost disciple and student of
the fourteenth-century Sunni theologian Shaykh Al-Islam Ibn
Taymiyyah, with whom he was imprisoned in 1326 for dissenting
against established tradition during Ibn Taymiyyah's famous
incarceration in the Citadel of Damascus.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMB-v2Q5ijU
[quote]I live Zkara
3 weeks ago (edited)
It is amazing how one Paul deceived a whole nations and drove
them away from the path of truth and another Paul is driving
them back to the path of truth by sharing knowledge in a very
loving respectful way, 🙏🤲 may allah help you at
what you're doing Sir [/quote]
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Re: Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
By: guest5 Date: March 4, 2021, 10:44 pm
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The day Jesus denied he was God - and the later cover-up!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrerjcWHg4
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Re: Jesus said 'Allah', not 'Deus.'
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 28, 2022, 7:27 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/red-coup/msg16215/#msg16215
specifically:
[quote]In earlier years, DePape also posted long screeds about
religion, including claims that "Jesus is the anti
christ."[/quote]
this is actually not too different an idea than:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus#Jewish
[quote]Judaic criticism of Jesus is long-standing, and includes
a range of stories in the Talmud, written and compiled from the
3rd to the 5th century AD.[489] In one such story, Yeshu HaNozri
("Jesus the Nazarene"), a lewd apostate, is executed by the
Jewish high court for spreading idolatry and practicing
magic.[490] According to some, the form Yeshu is an acronym
which in Hebrew reads: "may his name and memory be blotted
out."[491] The majority of contemporary scholars consider that
this material provides no information on the historical
Jesus.[492] The Mishneh Torah, a late 12th-century work of
Jewish law written by Moses Maimonides, states that Jesus is a
"stumbling block" who makes "the majority of the world to err
and serve a god other than the Lord".[493]
Medieval Hebrew literature contains the anecdotal "Episode of
Jesus" (known also as Toledot Yeshu), in which Jesus is
described as being the son of Joseph, the son of Pandera (see:
Episode of Jesus). The account portrays Jesus as an
impostor.[494][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_the_Talmud
[quote]The master said: Jesus the Nazarene practiced magic and
deceived and led Israel astray.[69][5][70][71]
...
Sanhedrin 43a[79] relates the trial and execution of a sorcerer
named Jesus (Yeshu in Hebrew) and his five disciples. The
sorcerer is stoned and hanged on the Eve of Passover.[80]
Sanhedrin 107[81] tells of a Jesus ("Yeshu") who "offended his
teacher by paying too much attention to the inn-keeper's wife.
Jesus wished to be forgiven, but [his rabbi] was too slow to
forgive him, and Jesus in despair went away and put up a brick
[idol] and worshipped it."[82]
In Gittin 56b and 57a,[83] a story is told in which Onkelos
summons up the spirit of a Yeshu who sought to harm Israel. He
describes his punishment in the afterlife as boiling in
excrement.[84][85][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toledot_Yeshu
[quote]Sefer Toledot Yeshu (ספר
תולדות
ישו, The Book of the Generations/History/Life
of Jesus), often abbreviated as Toledot Yeshu, is an early
Jewish text taken to be an alternative biography of Jesus of
Nazareth.
...
The Toledot portrays Jesus (known as Yeshu by the author) as an
illegitimate child who practiced sorcery, taught a heretical
Judaism, seduced women, and died a shameful death.[4]
...
A great misfortune struck Israel in the year 3651 (c. 90
BC). A man of the tribe of Judah, Joseph Pandera, lived near a
widow who had a daughter called Miriam. This virgin was
betrothed to Yohanan, a Torah-learned and God-fearing man of the
house of David. Before the end of a certain Sabbath, Joseph
looked lustfully at Miriam, knocked on her door and pretended to
be her husband, but she only submitted against her will. When
Yohanan came later to see her, she was surprised how strange his
behavior was. Thus they both knew of Pandera's crime and
Miriam's fault. Without witnesses to punish Pandera, Yohanan
left for Babylonia.
Miriam gave birth to Yeshua, whose name later depreciated to
Yeshu. When he was old enough, she took him to study the Jewish
tradition. One day he walked with his head uncovered, showing
disrespect, in front of the sages. This betrayed his
illegitimacy and Miriam admitted him as Pandera's son.
Scandalised, he fled to Upper Galilee.
Yeshu later went to the Jerusalem Temple and learned the letters
of God's ineffable name (one could do anything desired by them).
He gathered 310 young men and proclaimed himself the Messiah,
claiming Isaiah's "a virgin shall conceive and bear a son" and
other prophets prophesied about him. Using God's name he healed
a lame man, they worshipped him as the Messiah. The Sanhedrin
decided to arrest him, and sent messengers to invite him to
Jerusalem. They pretended to be his disciples to trick him.
When he was brought, bound, before Queen Helen, the sages
accused him of sorcery. When he brought a corpse to life, she
released him.
Accused again, the queen sent for his arrest. He asked his
disciples not to resist. Using God's name he made birds of clay
and caused them to fly. The sages then got Judah Iskarioto to
learn the name. At a contest of miracles between the two, they
both lost knowledge of the name.
Yeshu was arrested and beaten with pomegranate staves. He was
taken to Tiberias and bound to a synagogue pillar. Vinegar was
given to him to drink and a crown of thorns was put on his head.
An argument broke out between the elders and Yeshu followers
resulting in their escape to Antioch (or Egypt). On the day
before the Passover, Yeshu decided to go to the Temple and
recover the secret name. He entered Jerusalem riding on an ass,
but one of his followers, Judah Iskarioto, told the sages he was
in the Temple. On a day before the Passover, they tried to hang
him on a tree; using the name, he caused it (and any tree they
should use) to break. A cabbage stalk, not being a tree, was
used successfully to hang him on, and he was buried.
His followers on Sunday told the queen that he was not in his
grave, that he ascended to heaven as he had prophesied. As a
gardener took him from the grave, they searched it and could not
find him. But the gardener confessed he had taken it to prevent
his followers from stealing his body and claiming his ascension
to heaven. Recovering the body, the sages tied it to a horse's
tail and took it to the queen. Convinced he was a false prophet,
she ridiculed his followers and commended the sages.[44][/quote]
See also:
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: RobbingPeter Date: October 15, 2023, 2:14 pm
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The Dishonest Apostle | Was Paul Caught in a Lie?
[quote]According to his letters, Paul felt the need to defend
himself against accusations of financial deception. If we look
through his own words, will we find the deceit for
ourselves?[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wGNsRCiTTY
[quote]Paul was constantly having to defend himself against
other followers of Jesus...[/quote]
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