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Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: guest5 Date: February 21, 2021, 4:19 pm
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I will upload the image assets for the Aryan and Turanian
diffusion video series I'm working on here. Aryanists have
permission to use them for their projects and I also welcome any
constructive criticism. I would also appreciate any music
suggestions Aryanists would wish to hear in that series?
[img width=1280
height=1124]
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: Zea_mays Date: February 25, 2021, 9:04 pm
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I would be careful with the color scheme. Anatolia was
agricultural at a very early date:
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Expansion_n%C3%A9olithique.png
There is also the BMAC culture, who were agricultural.
Unfortunately, given their proximity to the northern Turanian
cultures, they were probably one of the first in the region to
be besieged by Turanian culture and genetic admixture.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Indo-Iranian_origins.png
[quote]He explains this by proposing that Indo-Aryan speakers
probably formed the vanguard of the movement into south-central
Asia and many of the BMAC loanwords which entered Iranian may
have been mediated through Indo-Aryan.[31]:306 Michael Witzel
points out that the borrowed vocabulary includes words from
agriculture, village and town life, flora and fauna, ritual and
religion, so providing evidence for the acculturation of
Indo-Iranian speakers into the world of urban
civilisation.[30][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Possible_evidence_for_a_BMAC_substratum_in_Indo-Iranian
[quote]A follow-up study by Narasimhan and co-authors (2019)
suggested the primary BMAC population largely derived from
preceding local Copper Age peoples who were in turn related to
prehistoric farmers from the Iranian plateau and to a lesser
extent early Anatolian farmers and hunter-gatherers from Western
Siberia, and they did not contribute substantially to later
populations further south in the Indus Valley. They found no
evidence that the samples extracted from the BMAC sites derived
any part of their ancestry from Yamnaya culture people, who are
seen as Proto-Indo-Europeans in the Kurgan hypothesis, the most
influential theory on the Proto-Indo-European
homeland.[32][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Genetics
(In other words, the Turanian 'Indo-Iranian' speakers borrowed
words for agriculture and sedentary civilization from the BMAC
people.)
And, of course, there is the Indus Valley civilization which was
destroyed by the Turanian Vedic invaders.
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indus_Valley_Civilization,_Early_Phase_(3300-2600_BCE).png
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indus_Valley_Civilization,_Mature_Phase_(2600-1900_BCE).png
Central Arabia is colored green while it consisted of pastoral
nomads.
One more consideration--while I don't know the extent of what
the video series covers, Iran vs Turan may be the origin of
these words we use to describe races, we must not forget the
Aryan vs Turanian struggle is much wider than just this
geographic region.
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: guest5 Date: February 25, 2021, 10:59 pm
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[quote]I would be careful with the color scheme. Anatolia was
agricultural at a very early date:[/quote]
Noted, thank you.
[quote]Central Arabia is colored green while it consisted of
pastoral nomads.[/quote]
I did so because I used the map which shows the largest area
that the Fertile Crescent covered:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7b/Map_of_fertile_crescent.svg/800px-Map_of_fertile_crescent.svg.png
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_Crescent
[quote]One more consideration--while I don't know the extent of
what the video series covers, Iran vs Turan may be the origin of
these words we use to describe races, we must not forget the
Aryan vs Turanian struggle is much wider than just this
geographic region.[/quote]
I was thinking of starting the series as far back as possible,
perhaps in the same time frame as the "Cult of the Skulls"
documentary: ?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/the-birth-of-civilisation-cult-of-the-skull-(8800-bc-to-6500-bc)/
Thank you for the input. Very helpful!
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: Zea_mays Date: February 27, 2021, 2:16 pm
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Yes, the Fertile Crescent is arable, but the core of the Arabian
peninsula (the bottom left corner on your map, in green), is
arid desert:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ecoregion_PA1303.svg
[quote]I was thinking of starting the series as far back as
possible, perhaps in the same time frame as the "Cult of the
Skulls" documentary: ?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/the-birth-of-civilisation-cult-of-the-skull-(8800-bc-to-6500-bc)/[/quote]
I haven't had a chance to watch that video yet, but I think the
culture in the link you post is probably the first known culture
to practice agriculture at an early civilization level. But I
wonder if the best approach isn't to necessarily focus on a
single "first" place of agricultural origin.
People in the Western world are likely aware of the Fertile
Crescent as a "cradle of civilization" which eventually ended up
diffusing west-ward. But have they ever heard of the Kuk swamp
culture which had agriculture around 8,000 BC--during the same
time as the Fertile Crescent?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuk_Swamp
Or the east-ward diffusion of agriculture into the Indosphere
before the Cardium culture and Linear Pottery culture made it
into "Europe"?
7,000s BC:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhirrana
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Early_Neolithic_sites_in_the_Near_East_and_South_Asia_10,000-3,800_BCE.jpg
vs 6,000s BC:
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Expansion_n%C3%A9olithique.png
Looking more broadly at the archaeological evidence of plant
domestication, it seems all throughout the world there is
evidence of domestication from around 10,000-8,000 BC--in all
geographic regions. (Due to the end of the ice age and new
environmental conditions making things favorable for
agriculture). Evidence has not necessarily been found of
wide-scale agricultural civilizations in all areas. This could
mean either such evidence has simply not yet been found (due to
the fact that for hundreds of years archaeologists have focused
almost exclusively on 'Europe' and the Fertile Crescent, rather
than elsewhere), or that various small groups of
hunter-gatherers around the world heroically rejected hunting
and began farming, but their cultivation efforts did not reach
critical mass to reach a 'civilization' level until later.
Going civilization-by-civilization on a timeline misses this
sort of big picture of global transition to agriculture (i.e.
global Aryanization process happening concurrently, but with
different levels of success/speed in different regions, likely
due to various geographic/environmental and demographic
reasons).
These are the things that it is most important to stress and
teach to people--facts and cultures they have never even heard
of before, in order to challenge the Western Eurocentric
education that "their culture" was the first, best, and only one
to have deeply ancient predecessors.
By taking a broader approach examining all early origins of
agriculture at once, we can stress the similarity of all
agricultural societies worldwide (regardless of ethnicity),
while stressing how all these societies faced a parallel
struggle against hunters who refused to embrace agriculture and
herders (who became technologically more advanced than the
hunters, but adopted a way of life alien to sedentary and
plant-based agriculturalists).
This presents a completely unique narrative of history and
unique way of framing civilization.
Due to different climatic and geographic factors, some
civilizations and domestication events came earlier or later
than others (not all areas had the same level of arability in
the soil or levels of rainfall; some likely faced stronger
pressures from hunter-gatherers or early herders who destroyed
their efforts to establish agriculture; some areas did not have
as many edible plants to domesticate; and different crops
offered different levels of nutrition, perhaps making it more
difficult to make the full leap to an entirely
agricultural-based lifestyle, etc.). But in all regions of the
globe, we've all had the thematically-identical story of 10,000
years of struggle against hunters and herders.
It would of course be fine to explain the etymology of Aryan vs
Turanian before zooming back out to the big picture. But these
are just my opinions for how such a series would be most useful.
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: Zea_mays Date: March 14, 2021, 6:14 pm
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I came across this article--apparently one of the reasons why
West African/Sahel plant domestication has traditionally been
overlooked (besides Eurocentrism) is because it did not fit in
with the traditional "center of origin" model developed by
Westerners. This construct basically considered the Fertile
Crescent to be its perfect example, but in reality the
archaeological evidence shows the Fertile Crescent doesn't fit
the traditional model either.
I don't think "center of origin" is necessarily a bad concept,
but obviously we should keep in mind the Fertile
Crescent-centric connotations this term has traditionally had,
and do our best to promote a broader and more-encompassing
meaning.
HTML http://archaeobotanist.blogspot.com/2011/12/de-centering-fertile-crescent.html
Also, regarding Turanian diffusion, a major theme should focus
around how Proto-Indo-European language diffusion is the classic
example of Turanian diffusion. For far too long people have been
associating Indo-European/"Indo-Aryan" languages with the Aryan
race.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture
I remember some bloggers calling the Sintashta culture and
Andronovo culture (Turanians) the "original Aryans", because
they were likely the direct predecessors or participants in the
Vedic Invasion of the Indus Valley Civilization (actual Aryans).
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sintashta_culture
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture
The existence and migration of the swastika at a much earlier
date than the Vedic and Yamnaya invasions should be enough to
debunk the association of the
Vedic/Yamnaya/Sintashta/Andronovo/Indo-European-speaker
diffusion with the "Aryans". But, of course, stressing Turanian
diffusion over and over again visually on a map is powerful as
well:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IE_expansion.png
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Indo-Iranian_origins.png
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Scythia-Parthia_100_BC.png
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mongol_Empire_map.gif
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: guest5 Date: March 17, 2021, 11:58 pm
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[quote]But these are just my opinions for how such a series
would be most useful.[/quote]
Thank you for sharing them! I have even more to think about now.
I'll get back to this thread as I make progress and questions
arise.
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No Dugin, Turanians did not Invent the Wheel!
By: guest78 Date: December 4, 2022, 4:43 pm
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[quote]By what means were they able to extend their influence to
practically the whole of Eurasia? The wheel. We can see how this
process of the Indo-Europeans’ expansion continued into the
colonial period. Even today’s cars are part of the Turanian
worldview, the new chariots. This is the line of the expansion
of chariots, the expansion of martial style, the Indo-European
languages, and the Indo-European political system – which is
patriarchal, masculine, and androcratic.[/quote]
HTML http://www.4pt.su/en/content/turan-key-understanding-russian-logos
Aryans invented the wheel:
[quote]The wheel is believed to date to the Neolithic period
(about 12,000 years ago) appearing at different stages in
different civilizations. The earliest use was probably for
turning pottery; Mesopotamian diagrams show that use as early as
3500 B.C.[/quote]
Turanians stole the idea and made it more complex in order to
give them an unfair advantage in war:
[quote]A wheel with spokes first appeared on Sumarian chariots
around 2000 B.C., and wheels seem to have developed in Europe by
1400 B.C. After about 400 B.C. Nubians used wheels to turn
pottery and as water wheels. The earliest record of a
wheelbarrow comes from China in the Three Kingdoms period (A.D.
184-280).[/quote]
HTML https://www.farmcollector.com/equipment/invention-of-the-wheel-zmmz13augzbea/
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Re: Aryan and Turanian Diffussion Video Series
By: SodaPop Date: November 2, 2025, 8:10 pm
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I am finding this lecture to be very interesting, and I think
you folks will as well. Would love to hear RP's and 90SRF
feedback and insights in regard to the points made in this
lecture! (I am only 32 minutes in at time of posting here).
Secret History #14: Legacy of the Steppes
[quote]In this Friday, October 31, 2025 lecture to his Beijing
high school students, Professor Jiang explains that the people
of the steppes were history's greatest conquerors because they
were the most open, energetic, cohesive.
Notes and References:
1. The Language of the Goddess by Marija Gimbutas
2. The Civilization of the Goddess by Marija Gimbutas
3. Sex at Dawn by Christopher Ryan and Cacilda Jetha
4. The Horse the Wheel and Language by David Anthony[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpTI2gFYWrU
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