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Re: Haiti
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 18, 2022, 5:08 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/haiti-verge-collapse-ngos-warn-142016898.html
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> On Monday, the US and Mexico called for the formation of a
non-UN multinational force to take down the gangs who now
dominate much of Port-au-Prince.
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Let the gangs rule Haiti! (For most of history, these "gangs"
would have been recognized as prospective royal houses.) Just
let everyone who doesn't want to live under their rule emigrate
to the US or Mexico!
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> A record 4.7 million people are facing acute hunger, with 1.8
million now at an emergency level of malnutrition.
>
> For the first time thousands of Haitian are suffering level 5
hunger – the WFP’s highest alert level and one often reserved
for wartime famine.
>
> Malnutrition has long been rife in Port-au-Prince’s slums, but
the paralysis of the country by gangs has caused hunger to reach
life-or-death levels.
>
> Many residents are unable to work due to severe petrol
shortages and food prices are soaring, leaving 65% of Cite
Soleil’s inhabitants regularly hungry and 5% of them needing
urgent humanitarian assistance, the WFP says.
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They need assistance getting out. Sending stuff in is useless;
just send ships etc. to ferry out all who want to leave!
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> “The progressive destruction” of Haiti and its institutions
will make any program to stabilise then rebuild it from a failed
state into a functioning democracy a long and arduous one, said
Jonathas.
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False Leftists like Jonathas are the problem. Don't rebuild!
Forget about democracy! Let the gangs transform Haiti into a
non-democratic state! Just concentrate on moving refugees out of
Haiti!
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> Any international solution must also include Haitians if it is
to be a lasting one, he added. UN missions in Haiti have quelled
violence in the past, but it swiftly returned once they
departed.
>
> “Solutions must be local, among Haitians, but of course with
the involvement of our international partners. If we talk about
solutions and forget once again the important Haitian actors, it
will be a short-term solution to return with the same problems a
few years later.”
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The gangs are Haitians, you moron! Include them! But no, you are
a False Leftist who thinks Westerners should be the ones who
decide which Haitians (ie. Western puppets) are the 'correct'
Haitians to include.
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: guest78
Date: December 5, 2022, 12:35 pm
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Port-au-Prince: Haiti's capital city taken hostage by brutal
gangs - BBC News
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> Haiti is on the "verge of the abyss", according to the UN, as
heavily armed gangs expand their control of the country.
>
> Armed groups control - and terrorise - at least 60% of the
capital Port-au-Prince and its surroundings, according to
Haitian human rights groups.
>
> They are also warning rape is increasingly being used as a
weapon.
>
> In the first six months of this year, the gangs killed almost
1,000 people, the UN has said.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diBbx5d8XRo
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: 2ThaSun
Date: May 15, 2023, 7:46 pm
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Vigilantes fight back against Haiti's gangs
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> Warning: Video contains graphic images | A rise in armed
vigilante groups has opened an unpredictable new chapter in
Haiti’s gang war, as ordinary civilians, tired of being
terrorized, take matters into their own hands.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGnieIule50
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 3, 2023, 5:47 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/though-haiti-dire-security-needs-035120293.html
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> This July marks two years since Haiti’s President Jovenel
Moïse was shot dead inside his home. With the country mired in
crisis, it is virtually impossible to get hold of regular
supplies of water or fuel, or to access healthcare services
because of the violence.
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As I keep saying, transporting supplies to where the people in
need are will always fail. The correct approach is to transport
the people in need to where the supplies are.
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> The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) team
working in Port-au-Prince has seen a substantial increase in the
presence and reach of armed groups in Haiti, now numbering up to
300 gangs both within and beyond the capital, which is now
mostly under their control. It’s no surprise, then, that the
dominant narrative about Haiti focuses on insecurity and whether
or how to answer calls for the deployment of international
forces to intervene and restore order.
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NO, DO NOT INVADE! The only role of international forces should
be to provide transport for any Haitians wishing to leave Haiti!
It is that simple.
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> Yet this laser focus on the security situation has crowded out
an equally important conversation: how to make tangible progress
in meeting Haitians’ basic needs
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How? Get them out of Haiti and into the US ASAP, that's how!
(Though really France should also be stepping up to take them
in. I would be all for the US pressuring France to accept all
Haitians who themselves wish to relocate to France in the
long-term.)
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> There are several Haitian and international organizations
working hard to alleviate that suffering, but they are in need
of more funding and resources.
>
> As the regional director for the Americas for the ICRC, I fear
that a singular narrative about security in the country draws
support and attention away from critical humanitarian relief,
which could ultimately shrink our ability and that of others to
continue to provide assistance.
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Then do not provide assistance in Haiti, but provide assistance
in the US, and get Haitians in need of assistance into the US!
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> Half of Haiti’s residents are experiencing hunger, and only
slightly more have access to safe drinking water.
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That's how many Haitians should be in the US by now.
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> Haiti’s profound humanitarian needs are alarming and on the
scale of those my organization sees in armed conflicts around
the world, covered heavily in the news. But the narrative that
exists outside of Haiti is that the situation is so dire
achieving results is impossible, creating a sense of
hopelessness and fatigue.
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The narrative is not wrong. Haiti's carrying capacity has been
reduced. There is no getting around this. The only way to
achieve results is for Haitians to emigrate until the remaining
population falls back below the new carrying capacity.
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> That’s why the international community must support Haiti —
not abandon it — in finding a viable political solution and to
strengthen the efforts of humanitarian and development actors,
both national and international, which right now are addressing
the needs of the most vulnerable.
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NO! Haiti requires no "political solution" and no "development".
The current carrying capacity in Haiti is actually closer to
what it used to be prior to the colonial era, which is a good
thing. Stop trying to artificially pump the carrying capacity
back up to colonial-era levels! Just leave it as it is and get
the excess Haitians into the US!
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> And it must start a new conversation, one that moves beyond a
security-centric narrative and embraces a compassionate,
inclusive, and forward-looking approach in Haiti.
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You cannot be both compassionate and forward-looking. True
compassion is always regressive. True compassion always prefers
the bad thing to never have happened to the victim in the first
place, whereas progressiveness tries to turn every bad thing
that happened to the victim into a chance for the victim to
"grow" (ie. desensitize) from the experience (until the victim
eventually becomes glad that the bad thing happened - this is
what progress actually means). This is the opposite of
compassion: it is sadomasochism.
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: July 3, 2023, 9:06 pm
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--- Quote ---
> whereas progressiveness tries to turn every bad thing that
happened to the victim into a chance for the victim to "grow"
(ie. desensitize) from the experience (until the victim
eventually becomes glad that the bad thing happened - this is
what progress actually means). This is the opposite of
compassion: it is sadomasochism.
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They also say that if we not want to forgive the oppressors who
ever hurt us and keep to make them to be hold accountable, we
are glad that we suffers and not want to grow up to accept the
reality. Sadomasochism meaning is a people who have pleasure on
experiencing pain. We who are always urge the oppressors to take
accountability for their wrongdoings are considered by them
"glad on our sufferings." Because they think if we forget the
pain which we already got in the past, we will not feel painful
again and we will live normally. If we still urge the oppressors
to take accountability and they not want to do it, we will
continuously suffer. So, what about that? They can use word
"sadomasochism" on us.
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: July 4, 2023, 5:47 am
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--- Quote ---
> every bad thing that happened to the victim into a chance for
the victim to "grow" (ie. desensitize) from the experience
(until the victim eventually becomes glad that the bad thing
happened
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This more appropriately called as "servility". Servility to the
current oppressive conditions and not try to change it, instead
merely try to adapt and being appropriate on it . Western's
Stoic philosophy is the sources of it's powerful influence to
the today' society. They are made to appear to be unaware of the
oppression they are subjected to by false promises.
That's my more explanation if you all not yet understand
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: guest98
Date: July 4, 2023, 3:50 pm
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"If we still urge the oppressors to take accountability and they
not want to do it, we will continuously suffer"
There's no point trying to talk the oppressor, they are set in
their ways. One has too build defences in order to be immune to
the violence inflicted by the enemy.
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 4, 2023, 5:11 pm
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"There's no point trying to talk the oppressor, they are set in
their ways. One has too build defences in order to be immune to
the violence inflicted by the enemy."
If we build defences but do nothing about the enemy, eventually
they will find a way to breach the defences. The point of
building defences is only to give us a window of opportunity to
destroy the enemy. This awareness also informs us about what
type of defences we should and should not build. Specifically,
immunity to violence is the worst type of defence:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/vaccination/msg10403/#msg10403
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> The real answer is that this entire problem-solving approach
will continue to be accepted in all domains so long as its
philosophical foundations are not dismantled.
>
> Immunity approach = "We will evolve to be immune to you, and
if you keep evolving in response, we will just keep evolving
faster!"
>
> Lockdown approach = "We will (by preventing transmissions)
prevent you from evolving, so that we don't need to evolve
either!"
>
> The immunity approach is, at its core, a manifestation of
progressivism (and hence equating the acquiring of more and more
immunity with strengthening). The lockdown approach is a
manifestation of regressivism (and hence equating the acquiring
of more and more immunity with adulteration).
>
> Regressivism must defeat progressivism if we are to break the
cycle.
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Re: Haiti
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 26, 2023, 4:58 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/calls-haiti-intervention-mount-no-053102904.html
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> Haunted by previous failures in Haiti and worried about
getting stuck in a deadly quagmire, the international community
is reluctant to answer a UN call for a special intervention
force, experts say.
>
> "There is a strong case for deploying an international force
to Haiti, but it could be a very risky mission," said Richard
Gowan, an analyst at the International Crisis Group.
>
> "The gangs are well-armed and there is no clear exit strategy
if a mission does deploy," he told AFP.
>
> United Nations chief Antonio Guterres, relaying a request from
Haitian Prime Minister Ariel Henry, began calling in October
2022 for an international, non-UN deployment to help support
police who have been overwhelmed by gangs.
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Do not confront the gangs at all! Let them rule Haiti! Just
transport out all Haitians who wish to emigrate! What is so
difficult to understand about this?
Best comment:
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> The best option would be to start an air lift for them from
Haiti to NYC
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Re: United Nations
DIR By: BedBugs
Date: October 3, 2023, 1:34 pm
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UN approves sending Kenya-led force to Haiti to fight gangs
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> The UN Security Council has voted to send a multi-national
force to Haiti to help combat violence caused by gangs, which
now control huge parts of the capital Port-au-Prince. The
security mission will be led by Kenya and will include personnel
from Jamaica, the Bahamas as well as Antigua and Barbuda. For
the past year, the UN Secretary-General has been calling for
such a force to restore law and order and now, for the first
time in almost 20 years, it appears to be happening. Sena Saylan
reports.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uizG5uBFW8E
Well, let's hope they don't make things worse again:
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> Past missions in Haiti The UN's 2004-2017 MINUSTAH mission was
blighted by sexual abuse and a cholera outbreak scandal, which
resulted in the death of more than 9,000 people with 800,000
others sickened. UN soldiers were also accused of fathering
babies and abandoning them.
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AP Exclusive: UN child sex ring left victims but no arrests
HTML https://apnews.com/article/africa-arrests-united-nations-only-on-ap-e6ebc331460345c5abd4f57d77f535c1
Sexual abuse scandal in Haiti
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_Haiti
U.N. Admits Role In Haiti Cholera Outbreak That Has Killed
Thousands
HTML https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/18/490468640/u-n-admits-role-in-haiti-cholera-outbreak-that-has-killed-thousands
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