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#Post#: 3964--------------------------------------------------
Inbreeding
By: rp Date: February 4, 2021, 2:25 am
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What is your opinion on "inbreeding" (i.e. cousin marriage)? On
the one hand, it can be seen as an attempt to preserve Jewish
nepotism, but on the other hand, it could be seen as a
last-ditch attempt by Aryans to prevent their blood from further
corruption. Thoughts?
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Re: Inbreeding
By: 90sRetroFan Date: February 4, 2021, 4:58 am
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"it could be seen as a last-ditch attempt by Aryans to prevent
their blood from further corruption"
Given that present day Aryan individuals frequently are the only
one in their entire known family, I don't see how reproducing
with cousins helps us. Aryan blood is so mixed that for it to
create just one of us in the same lineage every several
generations is rare enough, let alone two of us in the same
generation.
Hypothetically, if the only other Aryan individual you know
happens to be your cousin, then of course it is better to
reproduce (if at all) with your cousin rather than with someone
inferior. But in such a situation you are not reproducing with
your cousin because that person is your cousin, but because that
person is a high quality individual. But (and this is the real
point) even then do not necessarily expect Aryan offspring! Both
you and your cousin will be carrying non-Aryan blood which could
well end up being the predominant blood inherited by your
hypothetical offspring.
Nothing but total state control over reproduction (under highly
competent supervision) is going to sort it out properly, and
even then it will take many generations.
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Re: Inbreeding
By: rp Date: February 4, 2021, 7:43 pm
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"Given that present day Aryan individuals frequently are the
only one in their entire known family"
I was referring to situations where one would be more likely to
find Aryan blood in their extended family, for example if one
belonged to a vegetarian clan, one could expect to find Aryan
blood as the descendants would at the very least be adhering to
a noble lifestyle.
However, even here the inferior descendants would be able to
mask their ignobility as it is possible they are merely adopting
vegetarianism out of social pressure. In this case, it is better
for such individuals to not reproduce. One of my cousins, for
example, despite belonging to the same vegetarian clan as
myself, regularly consumes meat and has even taken up hunting!
However, it is only because he is unmarried that he pursues
these activities openly, whereas if he were married, his ignoble
blood would stealthily be passed on as he could pretend to be
noble merely for social purposes.
Hence, with the removal of the social pressure to reproduce in
order to "save the clan", my ignoble cousin has effectively been
weeded out from the gene pool.
"Hypothetically, if the only other Aryan individual you know
happens to be your cousin, then of course it is better to
reproduce (if at all) with your cousin rather than with someone
inferior. "
Ok, but what about the possibility of genetic defects? Do you
agree with the Western medical analysis that reproducing with a
cousin is more likely to cause genetic defects in the offspring?
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Re: Inbreeding
By: Ganbaru Date: February 4, 2021, 9:28 pm
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@rp
I think the scenario you posted could be viable if there were
absolutely no other alternatives in a rapidly coarsening
population, but direct consanguinity should be avoided in case
the western theories hold any truth (and out of compassion for
the children who might end up physically deformed like some of
these "royal inbreeding" pictures, etc.)
What western science suggests is that inbreeding might lead to
identical chromosomes, which increase the manifestation of the
bloodline's most destructive hereditary diseases (possibly
earlier in the life cycle and in a stronger amplitude). In a
Darwinian perspective, this scenario is undesirable in the short
term but it could also purge the unfit genes through "purifying
selection" and lead to increased lifespan for the surviving
individuals and generations to come.
Jews have been inbreeding for a while (I recall that nearly half
of the Ashkenazi population have had their lineage traced back
to 4 matrilineal bloodlines) but they (mostly the Ashkenazim)
seem to live longer than average according to statistics.
Western science attributes this to mutations which inhibit
growth hormone secretion and a very active social life
(especially in orthodox communities), but I suspect that
inbreeding might also have contributed in lengthening their
lifespan (Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predisposed to many
diseases but quite a few of them are beneficial for the tribe,
as they might increase IQ and contribute to DNA auto-repairing,
GH deficiency, etc.)
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Re: Reproductive decolonization
By: rp Date: July 5, 2022, 10:28 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=291.msg12468#msg12468
date=1649035919]
To be fair, Thomas has not reproduced with Lamp. But I agree
Thomas is clearly a Eurocentrist based on his other behaviour.
Perhaps his intention was to reproduce with Lamp but he merely
did not succeed.
[/quote]
Wait, so does this mean Aryanists would be approving of
non-reproductive relationships with non-Aryans? (**cough
**cough JAM ***cough (allegedly)).
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Re: Inbreeding
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 5, 2022, 11:18 pm
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"does this mean Aryanists would be approving of non-reproductive
relationships with non-Aryans?"
If I had a non-reproductive but exclusive relationship with
someone of reproductive age whom I believe should be prohibited
from reproducing, I would at least be preventing them from
reproducing with someone else during this time and could
hopefully run out the clock on their reproductive potential. So
purely in theory, I would be assisting the cause by doing so.
With that said, the impact on demographics would be negligible
in practice, therefore I would definitely not recommend it as a
strategy. As a romantic, this would also be something I could
not bring myself to do personally.
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Re: Inbreeding
By: rp Date: October 7, 2023, 10:46 pm
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[quote author=Ganbaru link=topic=463.msg3970#msg3970
date=1612495716]
@rp
I think the scenario you posted could be viable if there were
absolutely no other alternatives in a rapidly coarsening
population, but direct consanguinity should be avoided in case
the western theories hold any truth (and out of compassion for
the children who might end up physically deformed like some of
these "royal inbreeding" pictures, etc.)
What western science suggests is that inbreeding might lead to
identical chromosomes, which increase the manifestation of the
bloodline's most destructive hereditary diseases (possibly
earlier in the life cycle and in a stronger amplitude). In a
Darwinian perspective, this scenario is undesirable in the short
term but it could also purge the unfit genes through "purifying
selection" and lead to increased lifespan for the surviving
individuals and generations to come.
Jews have been inbreeding for a while (I recall that nearly half
of the Ashkenazi population have had their lineage traced back
to 4 matrilineal bloodlines) but they (mostly the Ashkenazim)
seem to live longer than average according to statistics.
Western science attributes this to mutations which inhibit
growth hormone secretion and a very active social life
(especially in orthodox communities), but I suspect that
inbreeding might also have contributed in lengthening their
lifespan (Ashkenazi Jews are genetically predisposed to many
diseases but quite a few of them are beneficial for the tribe,
as they might increase IQ and contribute to DNA auto-repairing,
GH deficiency, etc.)
[/quote]
Yeah it seems even pre-modern cultures understood the problems
of this:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consanguinity#Religious_and_traditional_law
So, I would not recommend it.
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