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Padania vs Saturnia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 27, 2021, 11:50 pm
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OLD CONTENT
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8348963/First-study-Ital
ians-genetic-diversity-reveals-dates-19-000-years-ago.html
[quote]The study shows that northern and southern Italians
evolved differently over time due to contrasting environmental
and ecological circumstances that resulted in the peculiarities
of their gene pools.
...
The team identified traces of post-glacial migrations in those
living in northern Italy, who also presented a close relation to
ancient European cultures such as the Magdalenian and the
Epigravettian - these groups were mainly situated in what is now
France and Spain.[/quote]
Giants and early Pelasgians.
[quote]On the other hand, southern Italians were found to have a
close relation with Neolithic human remains from Anatolia,
modern-day Turkey, and the Middle East, and with Bronze-Age
remains from south Caucasus - a region that extends into
Africa.[/quote]
Trojans and Saturnians, as I predicted long before this study
was done.
[quote]Marco Sazzini, one of the principal investigators of this
study and professor of molecular anthropology at the University
of Bologna, said: 'Gaining an understanding of the evolutionary
history of the ancestors of Italians allows us to better grasp
the demographic processes and those of environmental
interactions that shaped the complex mosaic of ancestry
components of today's European populations.'
'This investigation provides valuable information in order to
fully appreciate the biological characteristics of the current
Italian population.'[/quote]
No kidding! You think it is pure coincidence that Salvini is
from the north and Lucano is from the South?
[quote]The DNA of people living in northern Italy shows traces
of these post-glacial migrations.
They also have links to ancient European cultures that lived in
mostly in what is now France and Spain.
However, the team uncovered ancestry components even more
ancient from eastern European hunter-gathers that walked the
Earth 36,000 to 26,000 years ago.
This group later on spread to western Europe with migratory
movements from 'glacial refugia' during the Late Glacial
period.[/quote]
Yep.
[quote]After analyzing the genomes of the southern Italian
participants, researchers discovered that the post-glacial
migrations traces were not present and noted that more recent
events significantly reshaped their gene pool.
This group has closer genetic relations with Neolithic human
remains from what is now Turkey and the Middle East.
There are also traces with the Bronze-Age remains that were
uncovered in northern parts of Africa.
'Differently from the north of Italy, the south was a main hub
for migratory movements, which first spread agriculture to the
Mediterranean area during the Neolithic transition, and then,
during Bronze Age, fostered a new ancestry component,' the team
explained.[/quote]
The Turkey part would have been the Aeneas expedition, while the
Middle East part would have been the original Saturn expedition.
aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/rutuli-2017/
[quote]'Some scholars have linked some of these genetic variants
with a reduced susceptibility to Berger's disease, which is a
common inflammation affecting the kidneys and is indeed less
frequent in the south than in the north of Italy.'
When it came to southern Italian peculiarities, the researchers
found the genes that modify the production of melanin, which is
the pigment that provides skin color.
They believe this occurred due to more intense sunlight and
because of a higher number of sunny days are experienced in
Mediterranean regions.
These changes may have also contributed to a lower incidence of
skin cancers among southern Italians.
Claudio Franceschi, emeritus professor of the University of
Bologna, said: 'We observed that some of these genetic variants
have been also linked to a longer lifespan.'
'This is also true for other genetic modifications which are
characteristic of southern Italians.'[/quote]
More importantly, the North-South divide continued into the
historical era:
aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/support-domenico-lucano/commen
t-page-1/#comment-180082
[quote]The North-South cultural divide in Italy is an important
phenomenon. This is because the Italian Renaissance:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Renaissance
happened almost entirely in Northern Italy and remains the
principal historical pride of Northern Italians to this day,
which causes them to feel closer to the Northern Renaissance
peoples:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Renaissance
than to Southern Italians:
HTML https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Terrone
Salvini’s former Lega Nord used to be the expression of this
feeling, claiming that Northern Italy, which they call Padania:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padania
is closer to its Alpine neighbours than to Southern Italy – I
agree with this; besides sharing the Renaissance, they are
similarly Pelasgianized! In contrast, Southern Italy was
scarcely touched by the Renaissance, so that Southern Italians
(consequently better retaining the Roman and ultimately
Saturnian outlook) feel closer to the people on the other sides
of the Mediterranean than to the people around the Alps.
This explains why Southern Italy is more welcoming of refugees
despite being MUCH poorer than Northern Italy. The best thing
about this is that it again debunks the popular rightist excuse
“Only the rich can afford to host refugees!”, as we already did
previously:
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/a-review-of-refugee-resettlement-by-numbers/[/quote]
In fact I might as well quote directly from one of the links I
linked to over there:
www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Terrone
[quote]Slur for southern Italians. A terrone is exactly the
stereotypical wop.
Insult widely used by northern Italians to call those living in
the southern (some would even say mid-south) part of Italy.
Northern Italian: "These terroni have given us such a bad
name... going around acting like the terroni/wops they are, you
see how everyone identifies the entire country with them!?"
Terrone: "We got the sun, pizza, spaghetti and the sea!
beautiful italia!"
Northern Italian: "You lowlife terrone! Go back south!"
...
A derogatory term for Italians south of Bologna. Literally
translated it means "farmer". Northern Italians use the term
with contempt for their uneducated, and cultureless brothers of
the south of Italy.
Hey, look at that stupid fuckin calabrese. What a terrone. He
should bo back to his farm and harvest his fuckin eggplants.
...
literally means someone who works on the land (i.e. farmer).
Derogatory, used by the pompous people of the Friuli region
against any Italian from Rome downwards. "terroni" are the salt
of italy's earth. they are the people who give italians a good
name abroad.[/quote]
Please feel welcome to post pictures etc. to highlight contrasts
between Padania and Saturnia.
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 28, 2021, 12:05 am
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Just saying.....
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 6, 2022, 10:38 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh9b3BNPg_M
[img]
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[img]
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(These maps also account for why Spain/Portugal are so bad.)
Not coincidentally:
HTML https://cheftravelguide.com/northern-italian-food-vs-southern/
[quote]In Southern Italy, more olive oil is consumed than in
Northern Italy where butter and olive oil are both used.
...
In Northern Italy, fresh pasta is usually made with egg while
most fresh pasta in Southern Italy simply uses durum wheat and
water.[/quote]
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: guest78 Date: January 12, 2023, 9:09 pm
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The Nuragic Civilisation of Bronze Age Sardinia
[quote]Three thousand years ago, on the island of Sardinia,
flourished a remarkable society.
Right across the island, between about 1800 BC to 800 BC, they
constructed around ten thousand astonishing stone structures
called nuraghes. The ruins of around 7,000 of these structures
can be seen today.
Evidence for the kind of society this was, is also seen in the
unique bronze figurines and models that they left behind.
Hundreds of these show armoured warriors bearing bows, swords
and shields, along with the horned helmets they wore into
battle.
This society reached its peak in the late bronze age when their
influence spread beyond their home island. Sardinian material
culture from this era is found as far away as Crete while at the
same time Mycenaean pottery and Cypriot bronzes appear all over
Sardinia.
So who were these people? Why did they build thousands of these
enormous, complex structures? Were they really as warlike as
their figurines suggest? And what happened to them?
This is the story of the Nuragic Civilisation.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfdDPl7iLu8
[quote]Sardinia
Prehistory:
Sardinia is one of the most geologically ancient bodies of land
in Europe. The island was populated in various waves of
immigration from prehistory until recent times.
The first people to settle in Sardinia during the Upper
Paleolithic and the Mesolithic came from Continental Europe;
Paleolithic inhabitation of the island is demonstrated by the
evidences in Oliena's Corbeddu Cave;[38] during the Mesolithic
era some populations, particularly from present-day Tyrrhenian
coast of Italy, managed to move to northern Sardinia via
Corsica.[38] The Neolithic Revolution was introduced in the 6th
millennium BC by the Cardial culture coming from the Italian
Peninsula. In the mid-Neolithic period, the Ozieri culture,
probably of Aegean origin, flourished on the island spreading
the hypogeum tombs known as domus de Janas, while the Arzachena
culture of Gallura built the first megaliths: circular tombs. In
the early 3rd millennium BC, the metallurgy of copper and silver
began to develop.
During the late Chalcolithic the so-called Beaker culture,
coming from various parts of Continental Europe, appeared in
Sardinia. These new people predominantly settled on the west
coast, where the majority of the sites attributed to them had
been found.[39] The Beaker culture was followed in the early
Bronze Age by the Bonnanaro culture which showed both
reminiscences of the Beaker and influences by the Polada
culture.
As time passed the different Sardinian populations appear to
have become united in customs, yet remained politically divided
into various small, tribal groupings, at times banding together
against invading forces from the sea, and at others waging war
against each other. Habitations consisted of round thatched
stone huts. [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia
Ancient Sardinia | Island of the Giants | Hugh Newman |
Megalithomania
[quote]Explore ancient Sardinia in September 2021 with
Megalithomania (postponed from June 2020):
HTML http://www.megalithomania.co.uk/sardi....
Hugh Newman shares
his research on one of the most mysterious islands in the
Mediterranean. Sardinia has thousands of megalithic sites,
giants graves and evidence of a giant race ruling the island in
antiquity. [/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDVa8gs0nOk
Nuragic civilization
[quote]From about 1500 BC onwards, villages were built around a
kind of round tower-fortress called nuraghe[40] (usually
pluralized as nuraghes in English and as nuraghi in Italian).
These towers were often reinforced and enlarged with
battlements. Tribal boundaries were guarded by smaller lookout
Nuraghes erected on strategic hills commanding a view of other
territories.
Today, some 7,000 Nuraghes dot the Sardinian landscape. While
initially these Nuraghes had a relatively simple structure, with
time they became extremely complex and monumental (see for
example the Nuraghe Santu Antine, Su Nuraxi, or Nuraghe
Arrubiu). The scale, complexity and territorial spread of these
buildings attest to the level of wealth accumulated by the
Nuragic Sardinians, their advances in technology and the
complexity of their society, which was able to coordinate large
numbers of people with different roles for the purpose of
building the monumental Nuraghes. [/quote]
[quote]The Nuraghes are not the only Nuragic buildings that
stand in place, as there are several sacred wells around
Sardinia and other buildings with religious purposes such as the
Giants' grave (monumental collective tombs) and collections of
religious buildings that probably served as destinations for
pilgrimage and mass religious rites (e.g. Su Romanzesu near
Bitti).
At the time, Sardinia was at the centre of several commercial
routes and it was an important provider of raw materials such as
copper and lead, which were pivotal for the manufacture of the
time. By controlling the extraction of these raw materials and
by trading them with other countries, the ancient Sardinians
were able to accumulate wealth and reach a level of
sophistication that is not only reflected in the complexity of
its surviving buildings, but also in its artworks (e.g. the
votive bronze statuettes found across Sardinia or the statues of
Mont'e Prama).
According to some scholars, the Nuragic people(s) are
identifiable with the Sherden, a tribe of the Sea
Peoples.[41][34]
The Nuragic civilization was linked with other contemporaneous
megalithic civilization of the western Mediterranean, such as
the Talaiotic culture of the Balearic Islands and the Torrean
civilization of Southern Corsica. Evidence of trade with the
other civilizations of the time is attested by several artefacts
(e.g. pots), coming from as far as Cyprus, Crete, Mainland
Greece, Spain and Italy, that have been found in Nuragic sites,
bearing witness to the scope of commercial relations between the
Nuragic people and other peoples in Europe and beyond. [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardinia
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[quote]One of the so-called Giants of Mont'e Prama[/quote]
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: guest98 Date: May 6, 2023, 7:41 pm
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Continuing from:
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"
"I feel like the America's are severely lacking in culture"
I disagree:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/pop-culture-studies/
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I shouldn't have said that the America's are severely lacking in
culture as this is incorrect and sounds insulting as well.
Nonetheless, It's God's will that the spirit of Rome be
resurrected on this American Continent, where the kingdom of
greatness will be created.
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 6, 2023, 8:30 pm
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Americans of Italian ancestry can indeed be expected to be more
Saturnian than the Italians who stayed in Italy:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Americans
[quote]In 1870, prior to the large wave of Italian immigrants to
the United States, there were fewer than 25,000 Italian
immigrants in America, many of them Northern Italian
...
Immigration began to increase during the 1870s, when more than
twice as many Italians immigrated than during the five previous
decades combined.[14][15] The 1870s were followed by the
greatest surge of immigration, which occurred between 1880 and
1914 and brought more than 4 million Italians to the United
States,[14][15] the largest number coming from the Southern
Italian regions of Abruzzo, Molise, Campania, Apulia,
Basilicata, Calabria, and Sicily
...
Sicilian Americans are the largest subset of numerous Americans
of regional Italian ancestries, with 83% of Italian Americans
being descended from Sicily.[/quote]
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: rp Date: July 16, 2023, 4:29 pm
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Another example of the "Mediterranean vs Nordic" meme:
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I was surprised by how accurate they got the female phenotype
("lanky man jawed freaks) i.e. mixture of cro magnon and trojan
blood). Unfortunately, it judges "nordics" as being
insufficiently rightist (i.e. non-racist, not adding to
"European" culture).
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 16, 2023, 5:25 pm
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"I was surprised by how accurate they got the female phenotype
("lanky man jawed freaks)"
Actually, it makes no sense that the Nordic woman would have a
heavy jaw but the Nordic man is drawn as lacking one, whereas it
is the Mediterranean man who is drawn as having one. All it
tells us is that the meme-creator likes heavy jaws on men but
not on women.
"Unfortunately, it judges "nordics" as being insufficiently
rightist (i.e. non-racist, not adding to "European" culture)."
This is outright inaccurate. We have already highlighted
extensively in the past how South Italians have been more
welcoming of refugees than North Italians. The Renaissance also
began in North Italy, not South Italy. It then spread further
northwards, not southwards.
The meme-creator is not a true Mediterraneanist. A true
Mediterraneanist would never talk about being a "defender of
Europe", but would side with non-"European" Mediterraneans.
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: rp Date: July 16, 2023, 6:32 pm
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"This is outright inaccurate. We have already highlighted
extensively in the past how South Italians have been more
welcoming of refugees than North Italians. The Renaissance also
began in North Italy, not South Italy. It then spread further
northwards, not southwards."
Perhaps the meme-creator was comparing Scandinavian countries
with Mediterranean ones, instead of Northern vs Southern Italy?
But even then, it doesn't make sense as we have seen the same
degenerate attitudes in countries such as Denmark.
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Re: Padania vs Saturnia
By: rp Date: July 16, 2023, 10:15 pm
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"Actually, it makes no sense that the Nordic woman would have a
heavy jaw but the Nordic man is drawn as lacking one, whereas it
is the Mediterranean man who is drawn as having one. All it
tells us is that the meme-creator likes heavy jaws on men but
not on women."
The Nordic skull certainly looks subhuman (especially with the
the hair loss), but I would say the short skull is more of a
reduced type than the average mature nordic type.
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